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Potentially hidden or overt implications of allowing yo... - 12/4/2015 3:45:34 PM

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Have you said "yes" to this feature and what do you think are the complete ramifications of doing so?

I don't know if it's new, but I recently noticed constant and repeated requests by Collarspace to get me to answer this question below:

The reason I ask is that we already know that alt.com pays Collarspace owners to display "arbitrary" meta information attached to seemingly arbitrary users' profile pictures, some of whom I (and others) have recognized as real profile pictures, even though we have been told that all the meta information is made up (e.g., they usually show up in YOUR town, even though they are not).

I don't know if the alt.com users even REALIZE that their pictures show up in "MY TOWN" on Collarspace (who knows if these alt.com users even KNOW that collarspace exists, for example).

Likewise, while I'm never the type to say "yes" to the question above (never sign anything or say yes to anything where you yourself don't get value out of it), I must ask if any of you have seen this request repeatedly and constantly recently, and, whether you said yes, and, if you did, what do you think the ramifications are?

RE: Potentially hidden or overt implications of allowin... - 12/4/2015 3:50:21 PM

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I get a chuckle out of he pictures because you can tell it's random...because of the demographics and size of the town I live in...and they don't fit.

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RE: Potentially hidden or overt implications of allowin... - 12/4/2015 7:26:46 PM

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I remember some small-print disclaimer about how those photos were for illustrative purposes only. In other words, they used models' pictures and simply made it appear that they live close.

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RE: Potentially hidden or overt implications of allowin... - 12/4/2015 8:02:27 PM

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I remember some small-print disclaimer about how those photos were for illustrative purposes only. In other words, they used models' pictures and simply made it appear that they live close.

I think that's only half true.

The mods told us, as I recall, that they are REAL profiles, but the meta data is all arbitrary.
More specifically, the profile names are made up, but the ages match.
Yet the town is ALWAYS your town (which is no town in my case because they get the town by geolocating your ISP, which is my case, is a proxy).

The reason you're half right is that I have seen ResidentSadist's picture a couple of times now, so, I know they use real profiles as the mod said, but, as you very well know, most profiles are fake anyway, so, that's why it *seems* like they're fake pictures (because the profile that they're taking the data from is fake from the start).

Anyway, that only explains the alt.com ads.
I suspect Collarspace is doing the same thing, in reverse but I have NO EVIDENCE of that.

What I suspect is happening when you say yes to that query is that Collarspace then buys space from, say, alt.com the same thing that alt.com is doing here, Collarspace does there.

The bad thing is that your face is plastered all over another web site which you didn't know was gonna happen if that is true.
So that's why I asked for the implications.

By the way, did YOU see all those requests? I constantly get them from Collarspace.
Did you say yes or no?

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RE: Potentially hidden or overt implications of allowin... - 12/5/2015 4:33:18 AM

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
I remember some small-print disclaimer about how those photos were for illustrative purposes only. In other words, they used models' pictures and simply made it appear that they live close.

The illustrative purposes only, I think, is the loophole that the person might be on another site, but not specifically the site that displays the ad. (Or, at least, that *picture* is on another site. As we both know, a lot of people steal pictures they have no right to use.)

I've actually met some of the folks that appear on the ads that come through with my settings from my past AK location. After this came up before, I did a short time test changing my settings to my current location. I found two that I recognized and a third 'could be an old picture' type of maybe. I was able to find all three by checking for the same picture on their Fet profiles. At least for males, some of those folks really are in the kink community.

OP, I can't tell you what the ramifications are over and above additional exposure, which might not be the best thing for anyone who is concerned about being outed. Like it or not, some scummy people with an ax to grind will do this, so allowing your pic to be displayed on additional sites might not be the best idea for some.

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RE: Potentially hidden or overt implications of allowin... - 12/5/2015 5:00:59 AM

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RE: Potentially hidden or overt implications of allowin... - 12/5/2015 6:34:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
The illustrative purposes only, I think, is the loophole that the person might be on another site, but not specifically the site that displays the ad. (Or, at least, that *picture* is on another site. As we both know, a lot of people steal pictures they have no right to use.)

I agree that our observations coalesce in that most of the photos appear to be professional kink shots, while very few do very much appear to be people we know here, and elsewhere. I, for one, do remember seeing, for example, Resident Sadists' unmistakably sage-haired portrait, popping up to the side of one of my female profiles when I had logged in (my main profile, crumpets, only gets women).

That begs a question:

What type of person do YOU see when you see those alt.com ads to the top right of your collarspace windows?
I only see women. Do you only see men?

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
I've actually met some of the folks that appear on the ads that come through with my settings from my past AK location. After this came up before, I did a short time test changing my settings to my current location. I found two that I recognized and a third 'could be an old picture' type of maybe. I was able to find all three by checking for the same picture on their Fet profiles. At least for males, some of those folks really are in the kink community.

My evidence shows that they don't key off your current location listing in your profile, but on a geolocation of your ISP's address (which is easy to do). That mine almost always show up either as Montreal (which, perhaps, may be a default), or, more likely, as "Anonymous Proxy" (because I use Tor), shows that they're NOT using the town or zip that I had typed into my profile itself.

I'm actually surprised mine shows up mostly as "anonymous proxy" because even a Tor exit node has an ISP which can be geolocated, so, those alt.com ads use some strange-assed lookup system indeed - but - the point is that I don't think it uses your stated locale. I think they dig up where your ISP comes from.

QUESTION:

Does anyone here have a different zip code listed from where they really log in from?
If so, do you see the alt.com ads as indicating that they're emanating from your STATED locale, or your ACTUAL locale at the time you logged in?

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
OP, I can't tell you what the ramifications are over and above additional exposure, which might not be the best thing for anyone who is concerned about being outed. Like it or not, some scummy people with an ax to grind will do this, so allowing your pic to be displayed on additional sites might not be the best idea for some.

I have to agree with you that being exposed on sites wholly out of your control once you say YES to the Collarspace query might not be a good thing for you.

For one, if the Collarspace mechanism acts anything like the alt.com mechanism, you're gonna be randomly given a totally different moniker anyway. And, you're gonna show up in some town in the middle of nowhere so, even if you did want the free PR, it's gonna be from some kook in Oshkosh Nowhere and not from your local town anyway (if they scramble the meta information).

If it works the same way as alt.com's ads here do, the ONLY thing that would be real would be your profile picture, and, well, what good does that do for you? Your picture would just be splashed all over the place. Worse, if the collarspace mechanism works like the alt.com one does, when someone who is interested in your picture clicks on it, they are taken to a wholly arbitrary alt.com web page where YOU aren't one of the choices!

So, I can't see, if the Collarspace mechanism works anything like the alt.com mechanism does, how there is ANY value to you whatoever by saying YES to this constant barrage by Collarspace to get me to say yes to using my profile picture.

However, NOBODY answered one of the original questions yet: :)
Q1: Do any of you get the query shown in the OP from Collarspace when you log into your CS profile?
Q2: If so, did any of you say "yes". Why?

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RE: Potentially hidden or overt implications of allowin... - 12/5/2015 8:04:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: crumpets
I agree that our observations coalesce in that most of the photos appear to be professional kink shots, while very few do very much appear to be people we know here, and elsewhere. I, for one, do remember seeing, for example, Resident Sadists' unmistakably sage-haired portrait, popping up to the side of one of my female profiles when I had logged in (my main profile, crumpets, only gets women).

That isn't what I said at all. I specifically said I know of most of the shots from Fet, from people I know, that are specifically *not* professional. All of the shots that I recognized were face shots.

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That begs a question:

What type of person do YOU see when you see those alt.com ads to the top right of your collarspace windows?
I only see women. Do you only see men?

Only men, which corresponds with the way my search parameters are set.

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My evidence shows that they don't key off your current location listing in your profile, but on a geolocation of your ISP's address (which is easy to do). That mine almost always show up either as Montreal (which, perhaps, may be a default), or, more likely, as "Anonymous Proxy" (because I use Tor), shows that they're NOT using the town or zip that I had typed into my profile itself.

They don't and I told you that before. If you set your search parameters, they come from that area. If you are bouncing USA, you'll get USA. If you set to a specific state in the USA, you'll get that.

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I'm actually surprised mine shows up mostly as "anonymous proxy" because even a Tor exit node has an ISP which can be geolocated, so, those alt.com ads use some strange-assed lookup system indeed - but - the point is that I don't think it uses your stated locale. I think they dig up where your ISP comes from.

What is your search feature set to? That's the location that will appear for the ads. I didn't change any of the information on my profile. Just search parameters.

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QUESTION:

Does anyone here have a different zip code listed from where they really log in from?

Yep. I've mentioned this before, too.

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If so, do you see the alt.com ads as indicating that they're emanating from your STATED locale, or your ACTUAL locale at the time you logged in?

Location via search parameter from the time it resets from logging out and logging back in again.

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I have to agree with you that being exposed on sites wholly out of your control once you say YES to the Collarspace query might not be a good thing for you.

For one, if the Collarspace mechanism acts anything like the alt.com mechanism, you're gonna be randomly given a totally different moniker anyway. And, you're gonna show up in some town in the middle of nowhere so, even if you did want the free PR, it's gonna be from some kook in Oshkosh Nowhere and not from your local town anyway (if they scramble the meta information).

It doesn't. When we first started in the discussion between us, the very first person I saw had the correct name and location, which was not my former town in AK at all. Before I started playing with the settings, I found several.

It would be my thought that Alt or CM aren't terribly particular if people change their screen names, move locations after they close their account, (starting a new one in their new location) or close an account entirely.

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If it works the same way as alt.com's ads here do, the ONLY thing that would be real would be your profile picture, and, well, what good does that do for you? Your picture would just be splashed all over the place. Worse, if the collarspace mechanism works like the alt.com one does, when someone who is interested in your picture clicks on it, they are taken to a wholly arbitrary alt.com web page where YOU aren't one of the choices!

If I remember correctly, it doesn't work like that, anyway. You should be taken to the subscription page, which will have random photos on it. Not necessarily the one that you clicked.

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So, I can't see, if the Collarspace mechanism works anything like the alt.com mechanism does, how there is ANY value to you whatoever by saying YES to this constant barrage by Collarspace to get me to say yes to using my profile picture.

Why are you assuming the benefit is to you? The benefit is to the sites. Every picture that gets a person to subscribe to Alt, (thinking the women in the pics are on the edge of their seats to start talking to the folks who have memberships) brings more money to Alt. In reverse, this site sells advertising space based on membership numbers. It works similarly to how advertising rates are set according to Nielsen share. The higher the viewership, the higher the rates, even knowing there is a certain percent that don't see the products at all.

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However, NOBODY answered one of the original questions yet: :)
Q1: Do any of you get the query shown in the OP from Collarspace when you log into your CS profile?
Q2: If so, did any of you say "yes". Why?

Are you logging in specifically to the "featured photos" option? That was the only place I could find the screen you posted as a pic. None of us who log directly into the forums will see that unless we specifically go to browse pics. Unless you are looking for other people's photos, you probably won't get that screen.

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RE: Potentially hidden or overt implications of allowin... - 12/5/2015 9:30:55 AM

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Never noticed, still haven’t noticed, but thanks for mentioning. i have not seen it on cm I could clear cache etc and fresh login but i cant be bothered...so anyone else?

What site are you talking about here or alt..not been on there for over a decade is simply wants my money (or has it changed or more than likely it wants even more money)

And yes, they thief your location straight from your hard drive. Or more than likely a cookie or crumpet…or their cookie, which will have your geo location data-area, so they can target you with appropriate adverts. Not that I am on face book but hypothetically they sell every nuance of your profile to third parties – so the net says so must be true….so they can target you with that delicious 4 pack of finest scones from a variety or retailers - I was drooling at on Tesco’s earlier today. Note I an not sure you can sign up to any of these sites without clicking accept TOC and sites like fb hmmm. Run of the mill sites like BBC will sate we run cookies to enhance your user experience. I believe all sites from within the uk have that cookie warning

Dating networking sites there does seem to be a wholly misleading account of hot bevy of delicious beauties from”your area” Almost all these sites are pay sites so it’s truly shameful

Not entirely sure what your question was can’t be bout cookies as you know all of the above.
Is it about having ones pictures used for the world to see without seeming giving ones permission and used in misleading context&location to imply the “users” area is full of wonderful options and makes many people part with their dosh for that reason alone. And when you part with your cake money you browse your are to find almost no fooker is actually there bar the odd one who has been thrashed with an ugly stick.

I believe insta can use my pictures, or my hash tags, as they see fit, they were acquired by facebook a little while ago, and there is no opt out option

Some sites if you log on data mine the zip code you entered. But they often have geolocation too/or that additional option - use a spoof ip adress app from a mobile/cell or darkweb or vpn from your pc - and all adverts will be based on your alleged logon location

OKC link

incidentally the OKC owner took that blog down after match bought them

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RE: Potentially hidden or overt implications of allowin... - 12/5/2015 11:18:35 AM

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Are you logging in specifically to the "featured photos" option? That was the only place I could find the screen you posted as a pic. None of us who log directly into the forums will see that unless we specifically go to browse pics. Unless you are looking for other people's photos, you probably won't get that screen.

I think the confusion is my fault for not defining the boundary conditions of the question.
As a result of my lack of outlining boundary conditions, we are confusing each other.
My mistake.

There are MULTIPLE different types of "ads" and "profile featuring" we're talking about here, all jumbled together.
In addition, each user has different ways of seeing them (also all jumbled together).

So, let me further clarify that we're talking different types of profile featuring:
1. Third-party banner ads placed on Collarspace (by alt.com/AFF.com, etc.)
2. Collarspace profile featuring upon logging into your CS account
These have nothing whatsoever (per se) to do with each other (except that they're both discussed in this thread).

This thread is actually asking about a THIRD (mostly unknown) type of "profile featuring", which seems to be new, from Collarspace which is the use that Collarspace intends which is only partially described in this previous graphic telling us that if we AGREE to their terms, we "might" win something worth value:

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RE: Potentially hidden or overt implications of allowin... - 12/5/2015 1:24:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: crumpets
I think the confusion is my fault for not defining the boundary conditions of the question.
As a result of my lack of outlining boundary conditions, we are confusing each other.
My mistake.

OK. Partially my fault, too. I think we just keep saying "ads" without clarifying.

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There are MULTIPLE different types of "ads" and "profile featuring" we're talking about here, all jumbled together.
In addition, each user has different ways of seeing them (also all jumbled together).

So, let me further clarify that we're talking different types of profile featuring:
1. Third-party banner ads placed on Collarspace (by alt.com/AFF.com, etc.)

OK. Third party banner ads. (The ones on the upper right.) Agreed. We talked about this before and those were the ones that I could a) verify from my last location and b) took me to the Alt subscription screen after clicking on it for the first time in eight years.

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2. Collarspace profile featuring upon logging into your CS account
These have nothing whatsoever (per se) to do with each other (except that they're both discussed in this thread).

That should be the home page, which will bring up a profile of a person within your search parameters (even if you said "any") of (if you set it this way) the last person logged on within those parameters who has a picture or a video. Mine are still set to AK and the person most recently on is also somebody that I can confirm is a real person. In fact, I wrote a Positive Experience thread about meeting the person who happened to be on last.

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This thread is actually asking about a THIRD (mostly unknown) type of "profile featuring", which seems to be new, from Collarspace which is the use that Collarspace intends which is only partially described in this previous graphic telling us that if we AGREE to their terms, we "might" win something worth value:

That's what I found under the "featured photo" page.

I don't know anything about what a person "wins" if they are selected as a featured photo. Unless it's some kind of trade discount with one of the advertisers like X-treme Restraints, an Amazon gift card, or something of the like, I couldn't tell you what the 'prize' might actually be. (This is different from Fet where they can offer the "I support Fetlife" level of access to videos, extended friend feed, and the neat bells a whistles that can be had from subscribing.) From a business standpoint, I could see data trades between Alt and CM being worthwhile because it improves membership numbers leading to higher advertising revenue, etc, etc, etc.

Of course, for those who don't win, they've signed over the use of their photo for the other site, so basically, they don't get squat for their picture to be plastered elsewhere. That means they become a part of that cycle of advertising that is mentioned so well in the linked article by another poster.

Sorry about the formatting. It's because of quoting the screen shots.

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RE: Potentially hidden or overt implications of allowin... - 12/5/2015 7:37:26 PM

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OK. Third party banner ads. (The ones on the upper right.) Agreed. We talked about this before and those were the ones that I could a) verify from my last location and b) took me to the Alt subscription screen after clicking on it for the first time in eight years.

Agreed.
The alt.com top-right banner ad is an example of another site shoving photos in our faces where the photos "can" be of real people (I've seen Resident Sadist's profile picture in these banner ads, for example), but, which, even if they were of real people, they're not in YOURTOWN, and they're not even available when you click on the banner ad.

How that alt.com banner ad obtains YOURTOWN is, I assume, through a geolocation of your ISP, because mine are always wrong (as I never log into Collarspace from my own IP address because that would be really stupid).

Notice that if we had an alt.com profile, and if they used our alt.com profile picture in these banner ads, they would be "featuring" us, but, it would do us zero good (and it would, I think, do us some harm).

That's why it's important to know if Collarapace does the same thing when/if we say YES to their new and constant requests to "feature" our profile picture!

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
That should be the home page, which will bring up a profile of a person within your search parameters (even if you said "any") of (if you set it this way) the last person logged on within those parameters who has a picture or a video.

Exactly.

Collarspace "features" a profile for you BEFORE you log in, which, I think, is based on a geolocation of your IP address, because when I come in from a proxy in, say, Russia, I get a Russian profile "featured", but if I come in from a proxy in France, I get a French profile "featured" instead, etc.

However, once I actually log into Collarspace, then the "featured" profile is always the same one of five profiles that fit my search criteria.
In my case, since I sort by last on, it's always the person who last logged on out of the five people who always are the only ones who show up based on my search criteria.

Bear in mind, my search range is limited to 25 miles, etc., so, the "featured" profile is always of of the same five, day in and day out. BTW, 25 miles is a huge distance, which, in my case, encompasses the entire 10th largest city in the United States and its environs (which is about 2 million people).

Out of those 2 million people, a grand total of only 5 people fit "my" Collarspace search criteria, and it's always the same 5 people (it just changes depending upon who last logged in).

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
That's what I found under the "featured photo" page.

OK. I'll look at the "featured photos" button. I tend to be different than most "hunters" here.
I am realistic, so, I don't choose profiles by pictures. I choose them by distance, so, if that button doesn't have a distance filter, it's useless.

... ... click ... click. ... wow! Would you look at that!
OK. This is the first time (that I remember) that I've punched that "Featured Photos" button!

I see the page it takes me to is "almost" the same as the one I showed in the OP, with the EXCEPTION that no prize is offered for allowing Collarspace to feature me!

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
I don't know anything about what a person "wins" if they are selected as a featured photo.

I see now why I was confused.
I never pressed the "featured photos" button before, but, Collarspace apparently was popping up that as a promotional feature of sorts.
At least I think that's what was happening. (I don't remember.)

Now that I see what you're talking about in the "featured photos", I can more easily assume what Collarspace wants to do with your profile.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Of course, for those who don't win, they've signed over the use of their photo for the other site, so basically, they don't get squat for their picture to be plastered elsewhere. That means they become a part of that cycle of advertising that is mentioned so well in the linked article by another poster.

Exactly!

It's the most common trick in the world.

They put a new car in the middle of the mall, and then they allow you to sign up to win "that car". (you think)

What they don't tell you are the details (it's often in the very fine print though), where your "real" chances are 1 billion to 1 because they put the same car in EVERY mall in the United States for a long period of time (who knows, it could be five years?) and then there is a SINGLE WINNER.

Wooopie doo. Your chance of winning is almost zero, and, what you just gave them was all your contact information so that they can now spam you to death.

I don't see how being a featured photo can help you. What good does it do me when there are only 5 women within the two million in my 25 mile radius anyway? It doesn't do me any good to expand my profile to a billion miles radius.

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RE: Potentially hidden or overt implications of allowin... - 12/5/2015 8:46:55 PM

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We disagree. None of these sites are "shoving photos in your face". You go looking for them.

Let's get on the same playing field.

Do you know when I see dick pics? It's when folks show up in my email inbox or my who's viewing page. If you are being "assaulted" by pics that are sexually interesting, that's probably on you. Take some responsibility when you go click, click, click.

Ummm, I used to have an Alt profile. I never paid a dime on Alt. I don't know if it's the same. It used to be that chicks never had to pay and the memberships fees came from guys.

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RE: Potentially hidden or overt implications of allowin... - 12/6/2015 2:08:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
We disagree. None of these sites are "shoving photos in your face". You go looking for them.
Let's get on the same playing field.
Do you know when I see dick pics? It's when folks show up in my email inbox or my who's viewing page. If you are being "assaulted" by pics that are sexually interesting, that's probably on you. Take some responsibility when you go click, click, click.
Ummm, I used to have an Alt profile. I never paid a dime on Alt. I don't know if it's the same. It used to be that chicks never had to pay and the memberships fees came from guys.

I'm a bit confused by that post because clearly every time we read our CS mail or view a CS profile or edit our CS journal, etc., an alt.com profile picture is involuntarily shoved in our faces (at the top right of the window).

Admirers:

Journal:

Profile:

Favorites:

Account:

etc.

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RE: Potentially hidden or overt implications of allowin... - 12/6/2015 2:47:17 AM

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We have a difference here. I focus on things differently than you do. If I'm going to write an email, I go to that screen and do it. The "Who's Viewing" and "Admirer" pages, I click on long enough to get the little red light to shut off. (I hear I'm not the only woman who does that.) I'm not the person that the ads work on. Do you remember me telling you I hadn't clicked on the ad for eight years? That's how little the tactic works on me.

As you know, I really suck at the computer thing. If you really *didn't* want to see the banner ads on the upper right, would something like ad block plus work? The reason I ask is because, a few years ago, there were these horrible ads that would appear on the right that were gifs. People hated them to the point there were several threads about folks asking how they could make them go away. There's also the computer twit option of just enlarging the screen. (I did that back in the day when the gif ads were so annoying.) If you really didn't want to see the pictures, I'm rather confident that you could find a way to make that happen.

Even if you didn't want to get rid of the pics, I doubt the word "assaulted" would be fitting here.

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RE: Potentially hidden or overt implications of allowin... - 12/6/2015 5:03:18 AM

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I'm not the person that the ads work on. Do you remember me telling you I hadn't clicked on the ad for eight years?

I wonder if you keep thinking I'm the common horny idiot male on this forum.

The ads don't bother me in the least, and, I believe them even less than you do, which means I've never clicked on them either, except to see what they did during that discussion we had about them in another thread.

Of course, the ads must be working on someone - but they're not working on me (or you).

My POINT with bringing up the ads is that we're asking WHAT Collarspace does WITH your FEATURED photo.

For example, if all Collarspace does is feature the photo in that one "Featured Photos" button, that's one thing; however, if your photo gets shoved in the face of every alt.com user every time they try to read THEIR profile, then that would be a bad thing.

I don't know what Collarspace does with the featured photo - and I'm never gonna feature "my" photo.
That's why I asked.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
If you really *didn't* want to see the banner ads on the upper right, would something like ad block plus work?

Heh heh ... I do know something about computers.

I never see ads when I'm using my regular browser because not only do I have a hosts file that is huge (it basically blocks everything advertisement related) but I also have javascript turned off, cookies deleted, canvass blockers, https-everywhere turned on, ghostery turned on, noscript turned on, random agent spoofers turned on, etc. (Interestingly, I have never found that adblock is any good compared to those actions - where I think the average person who doesn't know a lot about computers uses adblock - so I, myself - don't bother with adblockers).

However, when I log into insecure sites (which Collarspace definitely is), I'd have to be crazy to use my regular browser (they can be fingerprinted quite easily), so, I use the Tor browser. This is a hardened version of Firefox, but, it allows the ads to go through because it circumvents my hosts file. Therefore, the ONLY time I ever see ads is when I'm on Collarspace.

But, they don't fool me, so, they don't bother me.

I was just using those alt.com ads as the example to ask if Collarspace does the same thing of shoving our profiles in other people's faces on other web sites that alt.com does here.

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If you really didn't want to see the pictures, I'm rather confident that you could find a way to make that happen.

Yes. Indeed. As you noted, simply resizing the browser knocks the ads out.
Seeing the ads was NEVER my point.
The ads don't bother me in the least.
My point was to ask what Collarspace does when you allow THEM to use your profile picture.

EDIT: I just went to my regular browser and logged in as a fake profile just to snap a screenshot of what ads "I" see with my regular browser:
Notice I don't see any ads because my hosts file kills about fifty thousand ad-related web sites.

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RE: Potentially hidden or overt implications of allowin... - 12/6/2015 5:55:44 AM

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I wonder if you keep thinking I'm the common horny idiot male on this forum.

No, I don't think you are. However, the fact that you even use the term "common horny idiot" means you know there's a lot of it out there.

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The ads don't bother me in the least, and, I believe them even less than you do, which means I've never clicked on them either, except to see what they did during that discussion we had about them in another thread.

OK, but let's go back to common horny idiot...

That's who the ads work on. A lot of people think kink is the easy path to free sex. They click the ads, they buy the toys, watch the porn, and it's a huge industry.

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Of course, the ads must be working on someone - but they're not working on me (or you).

No, I wouldn't think so. I tend to think that most of us who have been around the block a time or two see the ads differently.

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My POINT with bringing up the ads is that we're asking WHAT Collarspace does WITH your FEATURED photo.

They really don't have to tell you. Click that button and you've transferred copyright.

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For example, if all Collarspace does is feature the photo in that one "Featured Photos" button, that's one thing; however, if your photo gets shoved in the face of every alt.com user every time they try to read THEIR profile, then that would be a bad thing.

Click that button and they can do anything with it that they want. You know it and I know it.

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I don't know what Collarspace does with the featured photo - and I'm never gonna feature "my" photo.
That's why I asked.

As someone who's had/have their work stolen (and I know you're a bright guy... You've figured it out) I'm very reluctant anymore if I don't know where the pics are going.

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Heh heh ... I do know something about computers.

I'm aware. I want to thank you again for teaching me that trick about posting shots to the forums.

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I never see ads when I'm using my regular browser because not only do I have a hosts file that is huge (it basically blocks everything advertisement related) but I also have javascript turned off, cookies deleted, canvass blockers, https-everywhere turned on, ghostery turned on, noscript turned on, random agent spoofers turned on, etc. (Interestingly, I have never found that adblock is any good compared to those actions - where I think the average person who doesn't know a lot about computers uses adblock - so I, myself - don't bother with adblockers).

At the time, adblock worked for the average forum participant. I really don't doubt that your methods work better.

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However, when I log into insecure sites (which Collarspace definitely is), I'd have to be crazy to use my regular browser (they can be fingerprinted quite easily), so, I use the Tor browser. This is a hardened version of Firefox, but, it allows the ads to go through because it circumvents my hosts file. Therefore, the ONLY time I ever see ads is when I'm on Collarspace.

One of these days, I'll talk to you about those annoying ads that come through when I'm trying to read the dang news.

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But, they don't fool me, so, they don't bother me.

I was just using those alt.com ads as the example to ask if Collarspace does the same thing of shoving our profiles in other people's faces on other web sites that alt.com does here.

For a real answer to that question, I think you'd have to ask the powers that be. A very high percentage of regular forum members wouldn't know for fact and I don't think New Mod would give us that info, even if we asked nicely.

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Yes. Indeed. As you noted, simply resizing the browser knocks the ads out.

Well, even a computer twit lucks out once in a while.

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Seeing the ads was NEVER my point.
The ads don't bother me in the least.
My point was to ask what Collarspace does when you allow THEM to use your profile picture.

I think very few people that you come across here can answer that for a fact.

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EDIT: I just went to my regular browser and logged in as a fake profile just to snap a screenshot of what ads "I" see with my regular browser:
Notice I don't see any ads because my hosts file kills about fifty thousand ad-related web sites.

Do you know, I've been seeing that same thing recently? I thought it was a glitch.

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RE: Potentially hidden or overt implications of allowin... - 12/6/2015 6:04:12 AM

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I don't think looking to have your photo "featured" is any more risky than uploading a photo to your profile in the first place. The website already holds the rights to share any of your profile photos out among the internet and attach graphics and text to it as they see fit. If we haven't known or asked exactly where they've shared our photos before, why do we need to know now?

If the "featured" item is new, then my guess is that it's an attempt to create more of a community on the other side. Not a bad thought, if that's the case.

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RE: Potentially hidden or overt implications of allowin... - 12/6/2015 6:35:52 AM

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My point was to ask what Collarspace does when you allow THEM to use your profile picture.

You already know the answer to this without even asking.

Just by uploading your pic to the site gives them carte-blanche to use it in whatever way they see fit.
Because, by uploading it, you have granted them total ownership of the image. Duh!!

Basically, once you've uploaded it, it ain't yours no more to question what the fuck they do with it.
Simples!!

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RE: Potentially hidden or overt implications of allowin... - 12/6/2015 7:45:04 AM

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It would be very interesting, from a legal standpoint, to see which weighs out more heavily. Blanket intellectual property rights as specified by ToS or copyright law. I'm sure we regular members would lose in the end but I think some folks would like to watch the process.

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