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BamaD -> RE: Using lists (12/8/2015 8:37:40 PM)
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Alright folks, here is the problem with the "lists" in question.
First, the US citizens on the list are those people suspected of having ties to terrorist groups or support terrorist groups, which could mean by donating funds to any organization that may have provided anything from medical supplies to toilet paper to those who are either aiding terrorists or providing sanctuary to terrorists.
Cat Stevens was on the list for speaking out in support of some of the goals of certain terrorist groups that had nothing to do with the US but everything to do with the stopping of bombing and shelling Palestinian areas in the middle east or taking Palestinian homes in the occupied territories.
An 8 year old girl was on the list because she had the same name as some woman who was suspected of contributing money to terrorist groups.
Those are two of the most screwed up items that are connected to these lists.
First, it is known that the Red Crescent (Islamic Red Cross) provide relief supplies to people in the ISIS occupied areas, which may or may not include ISIS members themselves. People contributing to this organization are being hounded by federal agencies because of this. Please note that during every modern war, the International Red Cross provided care packages to POW's of all combatants, and no one was demonized for contributing to them.
The Domestic Terrorism watch list includes ecology groups and animal rights groups and I am not just referring to the ones that pull some overtly militant shit.
During the Nixon years, people ended up on DoJ lists for supporting Native American Rights, Conservation, and protesting the war in Vietnam.
Suspected dont mean that a person is guilty. Conviction in a court of law means they are guilty, unless they win an appeal.
The Domestic Terrorism watch list, the one in question, contains over 700,000 names, including a doctor who failed to board an aircraft because he was on the phone doing a consult on a case, two CNN reporters, and to make matters worse, the computer system that flags those names has a nasty habit of flagging the name without a direct connection to the age of the passenger, hence a toddler was pulled from a flight for having the same name as someone on the list.
Of those, over half have no connection to terrorism, and that is a conservative estimate.
You want a shocker? Read this and I found that link by reading a conservative article on the about the mistakes on the list.
Yes I have read several sources on these lists and they all agree that the construction of the lists is random. That there are too many people on the lists that have zero connection and that they are not based on being guilty of anything. I saw a guy on TV who had been on the list because when he retired he started traveling a lot and someone thought that was suspicious. It took him over a year to get off the list. People like Butch just see a way to stop people from getting guns. He will back anything that does that.
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