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electrical torture - 7/18/2006 2:57:52 PM   
AGfS


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I was simply wondering; which are the safe limits when it comes to electrical torture?
I understand that high voltage and low current is the ticket, but I want the actual limits, in Amperes and Volts. I've heard somewhere that around 0,6 mA is lethal, but I don't know whether or not that's correct.

Also I was thinking of buiding a torture device out of a car ignition system, that's upwards of 20 kV, but very low currents. Is that completely insane or could it work?

One last thing: this device would not be for play, but for punishment, therefore I wan't be on the safe side, but not more than necesary: it should hurt as much as possible.

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RE: electrical torture - 7/19/2006 11:36:04 PM   
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there is a book called juice, it's got lots of information on electrical play as well as safety. Electrical play is something that I am VERY deeply into, and in fact love to explore it. there's so many things and ways to play and use the electricity. though I do have to say that everyone is different, and in turn everyone's limits are diferent.

I would suggest picking up one of those tens units, and understanding how it works. then later on it's possible to start to explore different things with electricity. but very honestly, you can get more than enough power for punishment out of a tens. my favorite is my erostec, wireless remote control. it's pretty amazing and I dont even have to be next to my slave to torture them. but, definatly pick up that book Juice

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RE: electrical torture - 7/20/2006 2:44:33 PM   
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I'd like to add one more question to this thread. Could anybody get me technical specs for like their favourite electrical toy? If it's not too much to ask I'd like: voltage, current (at maximum voltage), impedance and anything else you can find out. Like for example what kind of batteries do you use, regular AA or some super high voltage stuff? In sweden we have 230 V AC, that's not what you have in the States, right, so that might cause problems?

I like to build my own stuff, maybe I'm the only one on this site who does that.

Anyway, if somebody could actuallly get this stuff for me, or show me a place where I could get it myself, that'd be awesome.

//AGfS

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RE: electrical torture - 7/21/2006 11:47:07 PM   
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With all due respect, you've made two posts and are now asking people to give you instructions on how to jerry rig some sort of device that could very well kill someone, at the very least leave them with some serious burns and / or scars. That tells us you know very little about electrical contracting, nor about BDSM, nor about people in general.

Buy the book "Juice" and learn the safe basics; if you're not interested in safe basics but want to go straight to serious torture this probably isn't the right site for you. Perhaps you could apply for an apprenticeship with one of the many governmental military training camps across the world.

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RE: electrical torture - 7/22/2006 1:54:23 AM   
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I'm getting some forum deja vu, heed the advice of those that cared to give you advice.

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RE: electrical torture - 7/22/2006 2:00:20 AM   
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With all due respect, I don't see how my number of posts on this site affects my ability to construct elctrical devices. Furthermore, I'm not trying to jerry rig anything, if I was trying to do that I wouldn't have come here asking for this stuff. If you know what you're doing, things you build yorself are not substandard: evereybody just buys the same Thai shit and solder it togeather anyway. On the contrary, I wouldn't trust some shit I just bought in the supermarket - as you point out this is dangerous stuff - if I was to do it myself, at least I'd know what I had.

You're right; I don't even know what electrical contracting means, I hardly know anything about BDSM and even less about people in general. Again, though, I fail to see what kind of impact this has on my ability to construct circuitry; a Volt is a Volt and an Ampere is an Ampere, it doesn't matter who built the machine or how much you paid for it, or how much you know about people in general.

About me not being interested in the safe basics; that's what I asked about in the first place, it's just that nobody has answered, hardly my fault.

I don't think I will apply for apprenticeship with any of the governmental military training camps. I don't like taking orders, and I'd much rather take the matter into my own hands.

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//AGfS

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RE: electrical torture - 7/22/2006 11:23:42 AM   
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AG;

There is alot to it, I cannot cover it all right now.

First and foremost forget about mains voltage, it is way too much, and forget about a variac. You also need isolated "channels", not only isolated from the mains, but in some cases, each other.

For example if you want to electrify the nipples you need what's called bipolar electrodes. Basically this can be done with your stereo of all things, but is not quite as safe as a unit built for the purpose. You need grounded rings around each nipple, the the "hots" are applied, they can be seperate, but the grounds must be connected andd be sure each makes a very good connection to the skin. If you don't you might pass current through your upper chest, and that is the biggest nono.

Actually any electricity above the waist is extremely dangerous, and should not even be attemped by a novice. Also when i comes to genitals, if you use a stupid boombox with maybe 3 watts per channel it is more than too much. A cheap little Yamaha keyboard with an output to your stereo amp could prove quite interesting.

In the genital region, as well as others, response to different frequencies vary. I can take 40 volts at about 12 Khz, but at 600 Hz it is agony. It all depends what you want. My generator is powerful and not made for this purpose, but with large electrodes on my legs or ass it can make me hump against my will. And that's only 40 volts with an output impedance of 600 ohms.

The main thing is to have it variable, the volume control of a stereo works nicely.

I will tell you this, with knowledger of electricity and some chemistry, don't use DC. Especially in a sound (urethral sound). Anything that intimate needs AC or an electrolytic type coating might develop on your tissues. I don't think you want that.

You might want to check out a firm called PES. They are findable on Google easily. Take a look at their male penile electrode with urethral amplifier and their tubular anal electrode. Even if you don't buy, you might get some ideas. If you're a Woman, they have things for you too.

In either case, there is a line you cross in voltage to turn pleasure into pain, and there is another line, not very far away, between pain and death or damage. If you stay set on your path and are going to do this no matter what, keep it all below the waist.

When it comes to this, speaker wires are your friend, but not if you got an Ampzilla (a really high power stereo). Even then, you are not eight ohms, even a normal stereo can hurt you. You won't pull the current that a speaker would, but you don't need to. For example a 100 watt per channel stereo can put out around 50 volts, plus and minus. At certain frequencies and with certain electrodes placement this might be just enough. It could paralyze you temporarily, but at 40 volts I was just able to overcome. Barely. This was with like 4" X 4" saltwater soaked electrodes. Just barely.

When it comes to the genitals, higher frequncies are your friend, lower ones tend to burn. Just remember to stay below the waist. If you ever go for the nipples, remember there must be a solid common right there on each so that currnet does not pass through your upper torso. No matter how low you keep the voltage, it does not matter. If you don't heed this you can cause cardiac arrest, and that means no more fun, ever. A normal heart attack is basically a cramp in the heart muscle, but under these conditions you might not even notice, no pain, but no blood pressure either.

I'll have to see if I can get that book "Juice", sounds pretty interesting.

T

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RE: electrical torture - 7/22/2006 12:13:40 PM   
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I'l third the recommedation that you get a copy of the book, Juice.  This is simply too complex a subject to cover in newsgroup posts particularly to someone like you who admits having little electrical background.

Juice was originally published by Greenery Press, but slow sales led Janet Hardy to return the copyright to Uncle Abdul, the author, who now handles the publication and distribution.  It is available from most online bookstores or directly from Abdul at http://www.uncleabdul.com/UAweb22.htm.

There are also some hints at using violet wands and TENS units in High Tech Toys, published by Greenery Press www.greenerypress.com

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RE: electrical torture - 7/24/2006 5:42:04 PM   
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Sdarcy, if it involves Al Qeada in Military Prison camps I hope their using more than electricity on them!
How's about Welding Torches and Base Ball Bats?

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RE: electrical torture - 7/26/2006 9:06:12 PM   
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These are some basic safety precautions that I got off of the PES website

http://www.peselectro.com/

IMPORTANT! -- NEVER use any electrodes above the waist. research has shown that all electrodes applied to the nipple and breast areas can be dangerous. Whether isolated or non-isolated, ALL electrically stimulated breast electrodes can cause fluctuations in heart rhythm. While many people may experience no difficulties, those with diagnosed or undiagnosed cardiac problems may experience mild to severe complications, including possible death.

ALWAYS turn the power box off before adjusting, removing, or re-inserting the electrodes. By touching an active electrode, an electrical charge can be sent through the hand and arm and across the heart, causing potential heart fluctuations.

Use latex gloves when adjusting, removing, or re-inserting the electrodes. Even with the power off, this is a sensible safety precaution. It is critically important for those that use manual stimulation in addition to erotic electro stimulation (EES)

Don't touch a person that is connected to a power box if you are also connected to a power source. If you are not connected to a power source, you can touch your partner, as long as you don’t touch any connections or any of their active electrodes.


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