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Before Stalin, it was the Jews but after 1928, then came Stalin and things changed.

Are you trying to tell me that marx did not say that religion was the opiat of the masses?
Please do not try to conflate ethnicity with religion.

Lenin the defacto leader at the time of the revolution, was also 1/4 Jewish whose maternal grandfather, Israel (Alexander) Blank, was a Ukrainian Jew who was later baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church . So in the leaders of revolution and the institutions that followed...were mostly Jews.

Well-informed observers, both inside and outside of Russia, took note at the time of the crucial Jewish role in Bolshevism. Winston Churchill, for one, warned in an article published in the February 8, 1920, issue of the London Illustrated Sunday Herald that Bolshevism is a "worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality." The eminent British political leader and historian went on to write:

There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate, Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combatting Counter-Revolution [the Cheka] has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses.


David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."

The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, made much the same point a few months later: "Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."

The goals of bolshivism ae pretty clear so I fail to see the relevance of your opinion that simply reiterates what is well known ie: bolshivism (socialism leading to commmunism) was seen as a replacement for the priviledge of the aristocracy.

"The Bolshevik Revolution, "declared a leading American Jewish community paper in 1920," was largely the product of Jewish thinking, Jewish discontent, Jewish effort to reconstruct."

Not sure what you are trying to prove? Is it that jews were educated enough to see the difference between someone's imaginary friend sanctifying them to lead vs. merit being the qualifier?

In the struggle for power that followed Lenin's death in 1924, Stalin emerged victorious over his rivals, eventually succeeding in putting to death nearly every one of the most prominent early Bolsheviks leaders - inclu

Wasn't he a catholic??? who, like jews and protestants,became an athiest like all the rest of the bolshiviks?


ding Trotsky, Zinoviev, Radek, and Kamenev. With the passage of time, and particularly after 1928, the Jewish role in the top leadership of the Soviet state and its Communist party diminished markedly.

My point was that religion was removed from the precipts of government.

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"No he wasn't. He was a complete fool with no brains. "

If so, then what are you ? you have no army, no political power, shitty knowledge of history which all probably came from grade school. you have not implemented a plan of mass manufacturing automobiles like Henry Ford, who is a friend with mutual respect. you hav enot convinced anyone to take up arms against anyone else. You know nothing of running a country or a war.

So he was a complete fool who accomplished all these things and you have not. What does that make you ?

T^T

Sorry, you stepped into it. I learned long ago to not put down my betters. I mean like when I was young.

Yeah, he was a wise man. Just like the Kaiser.

What they did between them was take a nation that was performing extremely well in areas of science, philosophy, literature, music and so on; an destroyed that nation. Between them they ruined decades of German people's endeavour and creativity.

That's not very clever by anyone's standards.

He didn't accomplish anything at all. He led Germany into the abyss. I suppose that is the fault of "the bankers", "the Jews" and the "meddling British". Nothing to do with Hitler and associates you'll argue.

Wise men construct and achieve; they don't lead a nation into inevitable destruction.

Any group of leaders can pour its resources into armaments. That's hardly an achievement. All it means that when you use this arsenal other countries are going to stop you.

And, Hitler having political power is hardly something to write home about. He's the last person you'd want to have political power.

Hitler did what he was put in power to do. Borrow and buy with western capital. What he did to Germany was of little consequence. As long as the western taxpayers foot the bill, mission accomplished.

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"And, of course when he said Communism and 'the international bankers', he meant: "the Jews".

And he was 100 % fucking right. And still is today.

Since stalin was anti religion including jews. Perhaps you could tell us just how well the jews did under stalin&co?

Before Stalin, it was the Jews but after 1928, then came Stalin and things changed.

Lenin the defacto leader at the time of the revolution, was also 1/4 Jewish whose maternal grandfather, Israel (Alexander) Blank, was a Ukrainian Jew who was later baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church . So in the leaders of revolution and the institutions that followed...were mostly Jews.

Well-informed observers, both inside and outside of Russia, took note at the time of the crucial Jewish role in Bolshevism. Winston Churchill, for one, warned in an article published in the February 8, 1920, issue of the London Illustrated Sunday Herald that Bolshevism is a "worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality." The eminent British political leader and historian went on to write:

There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate, Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combatting Counter-Revolution [the Cheka] has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses.


David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."

The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, made much the same point a few months later: "Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."

"The Bolshevik Revolution, "declared a leading American Jewish community paper in 1920," was largely the product of Jewish thinking, Jewish discontent, Jewish effort to reconstruct."

In the struggle for power that followed Lenin's death in 1924, Stalin emerged victorious over his rivals, eventually succeeding in putting to death nearly every one of the most prominent early Bolsheviks leaders - including Trotsky, Zinoviev, Radek, and Kamenev. With the passage of time, and particularly after 1928, the Jewish role in the top leadership of the Soviet state and its Communist party diminished markedly.

So yes, with Stalin, the Russian (communist) revolution was a done deal and the prominent Jews, gone. But it's not hard to see the influence of industrialists, bankers and warmongers that came to dominate the west.

A very interesting read: HERE with many objective sources.

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the chechs even voted to be under germany with 92% of the vote.

The treaty of versailles had 117 zioinsts on the board giving away german lands to who ever wanted it.

Gave the danzig mostly to the poles where the poles slaughtered between 50,000 to 60,000 men women and children.

None of this is remotely true.

I would give you source reference, but you and the other two "banker/Jewish conspiracy" crusaders are bat-shit crazy and so it's pointless.

Over and out.

All throughout history, the great intellectual axiom for the serenely educated upper classes, and even I guess, the not so educated, was that anything they didn't want to believe...was not true. The two most popular were that the world was round and did revolve around the sun.

That axiom still holds today and that thinking is just the thinking that is assumed to prevail in most current sociological, political and economic debates.

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extirpate

1.
to remove or destroy totally; do away with; exterminate.
2.
to pull up by or as if by the roots; root up:
to extirpate an unwanted hair.

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"No he wasn't. He was a complete fool with no brains. "

If so, then what are you ? you have no army, no political power, shitty knowledge of history which all probably came from grade school. you have not implemented a plan of mass manufacturing automobiles like Henry Ford, who is a friend with mutual respect. you hav enot convinced anyone to take up arms against anyone else. You know nothing of running a country or a war.

So he was a complete fool who accomplished all these things and you have not. What does that make you ?

T^T

Sorry, you stepped into it. I learned long ago to not put down my betters. I mean like when I was young.

Yeah, he was a wise man. Just like the Kaiser.

What they did between them was take a nation that was performing extremely well in areas of science, philosophy, literature, music and so on; an destroyed that nation. Between them they ruined decades of German people's endeavour and creativity.

That's not very clever by anyone's standards.

He didn't accomplish anything at all. He led Germany into the abyss. I suppose that is the fault of "the bankers", "the Jews" and the "meddling British". Nothing to do with Hitler and associates you'll argue.

Wise men construct and achieve; they don't lead a nation into inevitable destruction.

Any group of leaders can pour its resources into armaments. That's hardly an achievement. All it means that when you use this arsenal other countries are going to stop you.

And, Hitler having political power is hardly something to write home about. He's the last person you'd want to have political power.

Hitler did what he was put in power to do. Borrow and buy with western capital. What he did to Germany was of little consequence. As long as the western taxpayers foot the bill, mission accomplished.

Hitler did the exact opposite of what he was put in power to do.

The people who put him in power were those such as Hindenburg, the German middle class and assorted German industrialists. Not "the bankers", nor "the Jews", nor "the meddling British" by the way, not even the Americans for that matter.

They all thought he was an idiot who could be easily controlled.

They all shared a belief that Germany's cultural and industrial supremacy was a given and paramount, and so they were willing to tolerate a jumped-up, uncouth corporal (their words, not mine) providing he galvanised the masses towards traditional German aims (at the expense of Communism).

Problem was they underestimated the German people's capacity to be just as idiotic as Hitler.

Nothing to do with the West and the bankers and the rest of it.

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Frequently the term 'nazi holocaust' is used, it was the nazis who were victims of the holocaust, not the Jews. Dresden and several other cities bombed and burned out with the clear premeditated intent to kill as many innocent germans as possible prove that.

So what do you think Gent? Shall we issue a big apology and ask them if they want to kiss and make up? Thats what we did with the japs to fix the war crimes of wasting the innocent civilians, should work for germany too ya think? [/color]

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Well it simply doesn't happen no matter who was put in power, without western capital first to help finance the Nazi party and its rise to power, the re-industrialization of German manufacturing and the rebuilding of the German economy as a whole.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"And, of course when he said Communism and 'the international bankers', he meant: "the Jews".

And he was 100 % fucking right. And still is today.

Since stalin was anti religion including jews. Perhaps you could tell us just how well the jews did under stalin&co?

Before Stalin, it was the Jews but after 1928, then came Stalin and things changed.

Lenin the defacto leader at the time of the revolution, was also 1/4 Jewish whose maternal grandfather, Israel (Alexander) Blank, was a Ukrainian Jew who was later baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church . So in the leaders of revolution and the institutions that followed...were mostly Jews.

Well-informed observers, both inside and outside of Russia, took note at the time of the crucial Jewish role in Bolshevism. Winston Churchill, for one, warned in an article published in the February 8, 1920, issue of the London Illustrated Sunday Herald that Bolshevism is a "worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality." The eminent British political leader and historian went on to write:

There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate, Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combatting Counter-Revolution [the Cheka] has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses.


David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."

The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, made much the same point a few months later: "Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."

"The Bolshevik Revolution, "declared a leading American Jewish community paper in 1920," was largely the product of Jewish thinking, Jewish discontent, Jewish effort to reconstruct."

In the struggle for power that followed Lenin's death in 1924, Stalin emerged victorious over his rivals, eventually succeeding in putting to death nearly every one of the most prominent early Bolsheviks leaders - including Trotsky, Zinoviev, Radek, and Kamenev. With the passage of time, and particularly after 1928, the Jewish role in the top leadership of the Soviet state and its Communist party diminished markedly.

So yes, with Stalin, the Russian (communist) revolution was a done deal and the prominent Jews, gone. But it's not hard to see the influence of industrialists, bankers and warmongers that came to dominate the west.

A very interesting read: HERE with many objective sources.

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ah...I see

Ok here we go, Oh great lacker from the sewer, tell Shawcross to give PS an autographed copy of your speech so he can find something else to whine about.

Still trying to sweep the psychopath brit atrocities under the carpet eh.

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Frequently the term 'nazi holocaust' is used, it was the nazis who were victims of the holocaust, not the Jews. Dresden and several other cities bombed and burned out with the clear premeditated intent to kill as many innocent germans as possible prove that.

So what do you think Gent? Shall we issue a big apology and ask them if they want to kiss and make up? Thats what we did with the japs to fix the war crimes of wasting the innocent civilians, should work for germany too ya think?

Difference being that the Jewish people across Eastern Europe and in Germany were minding their own business living their lives.

The German people on the other hand, supported a regime that went waltzing 'round Europe, smashing the place up and killing civilians.

I don't agree with Churchill on much, but seems they got a taste of their own medicine and seeing as diplomacy was not on the collective mind of Germany of that time then we were out of peaceful options.

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Hitler now put into operation the plan of getting all German areas into one state and all Germans under one German Government. The Germans in the Rhineland, the Germans in Austria and the Sudeten Germans responded willingly.