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MariaB -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/30/2015 12:55:00 AM)

Go with your gods to a country in which other gods are worshipped, and you will be shown that you are the victim of fancies and abstractions. And rightly. Anyone who had brought a migrant god to the ancient Greeks, would have found the proof of the non-existence of this god, because it did not exist for the Greeks. What is the case in a certain country for certain foreign gods, takes place for god in general in the country of reason: it is an area in which his existence ceases" K. Marx [;)]

I know and I respect that religion brings about 'real' happiness and 'real' comfort for 'the' individual but the question is, does it bring about real happiness and comfort to the world as a 'whole'? if not, why not? Why has God changed and morphed through time? why is my God good and your God nonsense? and why does God degrade, enslave and abandon us if we don't follow the doctrine of the holy spirit?

I believe God is our own internal moral compass and therefore, we are the supreme being of our own existence. Such freedom allows me to talk about God without being offended or defensive; it allows me to be pitied and judged by the believers without feeling pitied or judged.




vincentML -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/30/2015 7:55:17 AM)

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Why has God changed and morphed through time? why is my God good and your God nonsense? and why does God degrade, enslave and abandon us if we don't follow the doctrine of the holy spirit?

1. Because humankind has morphed and changed through time?

2. & 3.
Because that god has been assigned the ultimate position of power in a hierarchy of control by intermittent authorities who suppress and punish those lower in the power construct?


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I believe God is our own internal moral compass and therefore, we are the supreme being of our own existence. Such freedom allows me to talk about God without being offended or defensive; it allows me to be pitied and judged by the believers without feeling pitied or judged.

Very clever :-)




mnottertail -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/30/2015 8:15:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne




Probably the best thing to do is fathom the depths of what I said in post 198 so I dont have to start handing people their asses again.




It doesn't matter how many times or what post number you say the most ignorant shit in, it doesnt get any truer.

But lets make 'tend you are not just spewing your usual imbecilic drivel.


This will lead to at least one conundrum for even those with modicum of thought in their heads.

Why do we have 27 timezones in the world? Why is it 4:16P at Peons, and 10:16A where I am?




crazyml -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/30/2015 8:17:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Time is a constant.


No, it isn't, RO.



Probably the best thing to do is fathom the depths of what I said in post 198 so I dont have to start handing people their asses again.


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

The construct of time is intended to be a constant and thats where it ends, nothing more to it.

Time errors between time devices is the result one or 2 things, perceptual errors or mechanical errors within the device. Time itself is a constant.






Ah yes. And you're wrong. Demonstrably so. On two counts. Your assertion that time itself is a constant is false, unless you're going to go up against Einstein and the army of physics docs that have succeeded him. Second, your assertion that you have handed anyone their "ass" is absurd to the point of hilarity.

Perhaps there is another reality in which you're not a drooling dolt?




Real0ne -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/30/2015 9:47:48 AM)

heh....
I am not going up against inerweener at all. I am going up against your understanding of inerweeners theory, which is incorrectly understood by most blind faith high school indoctrinates.

Since there is so much interest in something so simple, lets start here.

What units is time measured in again?




Real0ne -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/30/2015 9:58:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Go with your gods to a country in which other gods are worshipped, and you will be shown that you are the victim of fancies and abstractions. And rightly. Anyone who had brought a migrant god to the ancient Greeks, would have found the proof of the non-existence of this god, because it did not exist for the Greeks. What is the case in a certain country for certain foreign gods, takes place for god in general in the country of reason: it is an area in which his existence ceases" K. Marx [;)]

I know and I respect that religion brings about 'real' happiness and 'real' comfort for 'the' individual but the question is, does it bring about real happiness and comfort to the world as a 'whole'? if not, why not? Why has God changed and morphed through time? why is my God good and your God nonsense? and why does God degrade, enslave and abandon us if we don't follow the doctrine of the holy spirit?

I believe God is our own internal moral compass and therefore, we are the supreme being of our own existence. Such freedom allows me to talk about God without being offended or defensive; it allows me to be pitied and judged by the believers without feeling pitied or judged.


It doesnt need to unless the gubblmint gets a hold of it as the US has and makes it into law in itself or by any other contrivance, devise, or method.

If its 'your' religion it only needs to bring about happiness for the 'one'.





Real0ne -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/30/2015 10:07:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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In anthropology such ideas are called 'myths' - the truth value of an idea derives not from any intrinsic merit the idea may have but from how numerous the believers are, and the strength with which they hold the idea. One common application is that it's a good way of accounting for the fervour with which differing religions across cultures are held without taking any view on their theological truth values, though its usefulness is far more widespread than just this application. Another obvious application would be the ways in which differing societies express patriotism.


And of course, Tweakabelle - sorry, Tinkerbelle - in Peter Pan, could only be kept alive by the fact of millions of people saying 'I believe in fairies'. [:)]


not anywhere near as easy as being a lacker however. All you need to be an official 'lacker' is naked incredulity.

Hell they dont even know enough about philosophy metaphysics to even tell us what is a suitable method of proofs.




Real0ne -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/30/2015 10:14:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

The construct of time is intended to be a constant and thats where it ends, nothing more to it.

Time errors between time devices is the result one or 2 things, perceptual errors or mechanical errors within the device. Time itself is a constant.



Which reminds us of the paradox of the twin astronauts. Both young men. One twin embarked on a galactic round trip traveling at maybe near the speed of light. The other remained home on earth. When the prodigal twin returned he was much younger than the terrestrial twin.

So far, so strange, but undoubtedly real. Space-travel with speeds close to that of light may be unfathomably far beyond the reach of current technology. But sending elementary particles on round trips in a particle accelerator at 99.99999 percent of light speed is routine. The result is in precise agreement with the predictions of special relativity - the "inner clock" of such a travelling particle runs much slower than that of a particle of the same species that remains at rest (cf. the page The relativity of space and time in the section Special Relativity of Elementary Einstein).


LMAO [8|]

But I can get the same result, in fact better results by simply throwing spaceboy in a tub of liquid helium. Therefore time is not constant inyo. this is by the rules of Real0ne special LM'R'FAO, Elementary real world.




mnottertail -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/30/2015 10:29:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

heh....
I am not going up against inerweener at all. I am going up against your understanding of inerweeners theory, which is incorrectly understood by most blind faith high school indoctrinates.

Since there is so much interest in something so simple, lets start here.

What units is time measured in again?



seconds, minutes and hours (it came from the round sundial and Egyptians.....which used.........and here is a big fucking hint for you........light, to approximate time)

and then we can divide that into mille, nano, and so on.




Real0ne -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/30/2015 10:47:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

heh....
I am not going up against inerweener at all. I am going up against your understanding of inerweeners theory, which is incorrectly understood by most blind faith high school indoctrinates.

Since there is so much interest in something so simple, lets start here.

What units is time measured in again?



seconds, minutes and hours (it came from the round sundial and Egyptians.....which used.........and here is a big fucking hint for you........light, to approximate time)

and then we can divide that into mille, nano, and so on.




kool and what mechanism is used to determine a second?




mnottertail -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/30/2015 10:56:32 AM)

now? then? mechanical? radio? to what accuracy? in what frame of reference? (g=general=gravity=gigantic)? (s=special=speedy=subatomic)?


if you dont know how a second is measured (and you don't, because it is always done in a frame of reference, which may affect the measure).......then you are even more fucked than you always are.

here on earth there is a network of clocks to standardize time and they are compared based on different heights and gravities and constantly synchronized, yet, every so often they have to throw in leap seconds, because our second is not accurate. it is approximately accurate.

ince 1967, the International System of Units (SI) has defined the second as the duration of 9,192,631,770cycles of radiation corresponding to the transition between two energy levels of the caesium-133 atom. In 1997, the International Committee for Weights and Measures (CIPM) added that the preceding definition refers to a caesium atom at rest at a temperature of 0 K.




Real0ne -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/30/2015 11:02:48 AM)

you mean you do not even know what fucking mechanism is used to determine a second!! OMFG!




mnottertail -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/30/2015 11:11:38 AM)

no, I mean you dont, you dont know absolutely anything about physics, or law, and have demonstrated that repeatedly and continuously.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/30/2015 11:15:08 AM)

FR~

According to Physics.nist.gov: The second is the duration of 9 192 631 770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium 133 atom.

And corroborated by techtarget.com: One second is the time that elapses during 9,192,631,770 (9.192631770 x 10 9 ) cycles of the radiation produced by the transition between two levels of the cesium 133 atom.

Also, Wiki states: Since 1967, the International System of Measurements bases its unit of time, the second, on the properties of caesium atoms. SI defines the second as 9,192,631,770 cycles of the radiation that corresponds to the transition between two electron spin energy levels of the ground state of the 133Cs atom.

That's good enough for me. [8D]




Real0ne -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/30/2015 11:49:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

FR~

According to Physics.nist.gov: The second is the duration of 9 192 631 770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium 133 atom.

And corroborated by techtarget.com: One second is the time that elapses during 9,192,631,770 (9.192631770 x 10 9 ) cycles of the radiation produced by the transition between two levels of the cesium 133 atom.

Also, Wiki states: Since 1967, the International System of Measurements bases its unit of time, the second, on the properties of caesium atoms. SI defines the second as 9,192,631,770 cycles of the radiation that corresponds to the transition between two electron spin energy levels of the ground state of the 133Cs atom.

That's good enough for me. [8D]


FR

LOL

Thats exactly what I intended to post!

So they are counting in the case of cesium radiation cycles.

The method known as cycle counting is no different than any other clock on the planet and the geniuses here claim the unit we know as time is not a constant. Fucking hilarious.






mnottertail -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/30/2015 12:16:08 PM)

and the cycles are not equivalent under any and all conditions.


lets go back to light for a moment. yanno, same electro-magnetic spectrum. it is standardized on 'in vacuo' something that does not happen often here on earth.

In fact, in certain situations it is slower than other material objects. Cherenkov radiation, for example.

Fucking hilarious that feeble-minded oafs say stupid shit like they do constantly as if they have brains enough to find their own ass with two hands and a flashlight. They demonstrably don't.





Kirata -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/30/2015 12:47:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

The method known as cycle counting is no different than any other clock on the planet and the geniuses here claim the unit we know as time is not a constant. Fucking hilarious.

Ohferchrissake, give it up.

K.





crazyml -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/30/2015 1:33:32 PM)

And yet physicists have demonstrated that time is not constant by using two atomic clocks, set just a foot apart in terms of sea-level. As predicted by Einstein. Ouchies.

Oh. That "hands you your ass" doesn't it?




mnottertail -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/30/2015 1:38:17 PM)

and they did that by counting cycles..........lol. fucking genius? Yup, it is as a matter of fact.




mnottertail -> RE: Fatal Flaws in Religion versus Genetic/historic/scientific fact. (12/30/2015 1:44:24 PM)

Three scientists ride the train in the bar car from Glasgow to London.

While still in Scotland the first; an astronomer, seeing a sheep out the window exclaims, "Look, all the sheep in Scotland are black!"

The second, a mathematician, sipping his ice cold Jameson ponders and then adjures,
"There is one sheep in Scotland that is known to be black."

The third, a physicist, puffs rapidly upon his pipe for a moment, exhaling; and with a deep and weary sigh intones, "In Scotland there exists at least one sheep, of which one side appears to be black, when viewed from a moving train, at some distance."

Even simple things need proven instead of taken for granted.




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