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Phydeaux -> RE: SHOULD OBAMA NOMINATE TO FILL THE SUPREME COURT VACANCY? IF SO, WHO? (2/14/2016 5:28:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

@Knightimequiet

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What needs to occur is another more liberal justice like Ginsburg to tell the President that it was wrong to make this a political issue while her friend's body is not even cold yet. That is why I will retire the very day the next President takes office because the Supreme Court is meant not to be a political tool but a place where the rule of law and our Constitution takes priority and not your legacy. That would be a fitting result and tribute to Scalia.


Actually, it was the Senate majority (Republican) leader who spoke out before Obama and announced the Senate would block any nomination. You are totally wrong about who made this a political issue.

Secondly, the Supreme Court made itself a political tool in 2000 Gore v Bush when they overturned the ruling of the Florida court.



Tell you what. Why don't you explain how the Supreme court WASN'T following explicit SAFE HARBOR precedent. In detail. Because you are, once again, completely wrong.




Knightimequiet -> RE: SHOULD OBAMA NOMINATE TO FILL THE SUPREME COURT VACANCY? IF SO, WHO? (2/14/2016 5:47:08 PM)

This is pointless. Debate involves an exchange and evolution of ideas. You are spouting talking points from individuals that would rather see America destroyed than it be the preeminent power in the world. I thought this would be a fun exercise but honestly the lack of education and understanding is astounding. There is no respect or common decency here just angry individuals with zero to offer other than demanding others agree with their point of view or dismiss them as idiots. That is not effective in the slightest. I am done with this portion of the website. It is truly sad to see that so many individuals have no conception of their own government, its rules, precedent, and its history because they refuse to read all view points not just the one they subscribe to.




Phydeaux -> RE: SHOULD OBAMA NOMINATE TO FILL THE SUPREME COURT VACANCY? IF SO, WHO? (2/14/2016 5:51:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: MasterBrentC
Oh I'm sorry. I didn't know you needed a link to point out what everyone in America has been going through for the past 7 years. If you need something from the internet, and we all know everything on the Internet is true, then you obviously have not been paying attention. America -- 19 trillion dollars in debt. America -- 94 million Americans out of work. America -- millions of illegal aliens flooding the country. America -- Syrian Muslim refugees allowed in while Syrian Christians are kept out. I can go on and on and on.


Where did the majority of that $19 trillion dollar debt originate? ...


You repeating a lie again and again and again doesn't make it true.

Here are the budgets deficits signed by obama:

2008 -459.4 (last bush)
2009 -1412.7
2010 -1279.2
2011 -1259.5
2012 -1034.0
2013 -637.5
2014 -447.7
2015 -531.0 (est)

Total deficits signed by obama: 7.026 trillion dollars.
Deficits signed by bush: 2.185 trillion.

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Yes, the debt is high....



Yes, the debt is high. Obama has added more debt than all other presidents combined - if you exclude presidents named bush.

And Obama has increased the debt as a percentage of GDP more than anyother president taking us from 60% to 106% of GDP. End to end, the amount of money in $20 dollar bills would stretch to the moon and back 6500 times.

He added $21,000 dollars of debt for every man women and child in the country. Seriously - look in your pocket book. Did you get $21,000 dollars worth of additional services - or do you think it might have gone somewhere else.. like to big banks, hedgefunds.. GM...

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Maybe you should get your facts updated.....


Maybe you should.




mousekabob -> RE: SHOULD OBAMA NOMINATE TO FILL THE SUPREME COURT VACANCY? IF SO, WHO? (2/14/2016 5:54:37 PM)

Yes he should nominate someone. It's his duty as president.

As to who, he'll most likely nominate Sri Srinivasan

The GOP will fight him tooth and nail however no matter who he nominates. They won't allow anyone to go through until after the elections.

My prediction though is that after all the fighting between Obama and the GOP, Ginsburg will retire, having realized it's the only way to get someone in, leaving two spaces open and if Obama is any kind of a smart man, he will nominate a left winger and a right winger to even out the playing field.




Phydeaux -> RE: SHOULD OBAMA NOMINATE TO FILL THE SUPREME COURT VACANCY? IF SO, WHO? (2/14/2016 5:57:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Knightimequiet

This is pointless. Debate involves an exchange and evolution of ideas. You are spouting talking points from individuals that would rather see America destroyed than it be the preeminent power in the world. I thought this would be a fun exercise but honestly the lack of education and understanding is astounding. There is no respect or common decency here just angry individuals with zero to offer other than demanding others agree with their point of view or dismiss them as idiots. That is not effective in the slightest. I am done with this portion of the website. It is truly sad to see that so many individuals have no conception of their own government, its rules, precedent, and its history because they refuse to read all view points not just the one they subscribe to.


Bullshit. I provide more links to facts and figures than any poster on here except bounty. You want to say I'm wrong about safe harbor? Bring it.




Tkman117 -> RE: SHOULD OBAMA NOMINATE TO FILL THE SUPREME COURT VACANCY? IF SO, WHO? (2/14/2016 6:07:53 PM)

You've been wrong about everything you post on here old man dipshit, don't take it too personally.




Phydeaux -> RE: SHOULD OBAMA NOMINATE TO FILL THE SUPREME COURT VACANCY? IF SO, WHO? (2/14/2016 6:42:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

You've been wrong about everything you post on here old man dipshit, don't take it too personally.


Why would I take a comment from a foul mouthed snot nosed self-centered inaccurate twerp personally? You're one of many that seem to focus your attention on me.

You know the famous adage:
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Great Minds Discuss Ideas; Average Minds Discuss Events; Small Minds Discuss People
. Feel free to continue to discuss me, as much as you wish, confirming the wisdom of aphorisms. I realize it is an accepted debate style in the echo chambers of the left wing.




DaddySatyr -> RE: SHOULD OBAMA NOMINATE TO FILL THE SUPREME COURT VACANCY? IF SO, WHO? (2/14/2016 6:58:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Article II of the Constitution declares that the president SHALL appoint a new Justice. Obama briefly remarked in his Scalia speech that the president must fulfill his constitutional duty.



All of a sudden, this president cares about the Constitution? That's fuckin' funny!



Michael




BamaD -> RE: SHOULD OBAMA NOMINATE TO FILL THE SUPREME COURT VACANCY? IF SO, WHO? (2/14/2016 7:00:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: Knightimequiet

Thanks for making my point. You can only see right and left and that is the problem. We ARE ALL Americans. There should be no parties only issue based politics. Read up on George Washington.

Except that there are parties and for one of them and for 40 years, it's been all about party, with too much of it's subsequent success built on division and derision. And except when it comes to describing Obama's action as 'an unabashed social engineer that has done more to destroy the separation of powers' when he has fewer EO's than most for one example and those he has, have plenty of precedent.

In fact in his inaugural address I think or first SOU address, Obama said there is no Red America and no Blue America...we are all Americans, just like you. If only that were true.

Washington was in a very unique position being the first and had an equally unique perspective not being a, and few of his contemporaries even grasping the concept of, anyone being called...a 'career' politician.

What Obama said, and what he has done are two very different things.




vincentML -> RE: SHOULD OBAMA NOMINATE TO FILL THE SUPREME COURT VACANCY? IF SO, WHO? (2/15/2016 2:03:33 AM)

~FR~
An argument for the nomination of JOE BIDEN

Joe Biden is another question. Having decided against running against Mrs. Clinton and Bernie Sanders, the vice president carried the Democratic cause for many years in the Judiciary Committee; he has good friends from those years and the VP might have enough friends to secure the seat without rancorous debate over the vacancy takes the campaign down unpredictable paths. Justice Biden could well be sitting pretty on the bench -- a fact that will calm the fears of either Sanders or Clinton supporters who worry that a divisive, but ultimately, indecisive primary contest would replicate nationally the too close to call victory of Mrs. Clinton in Iowa. Safely enrobing Joe on the high bench keeps his lurking possibility as a party savior under wraps.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/douglas-kmiec/obama-supreme-court-appointment_b_9229486.html




vincentML -> RE: SHOULD OBAMA NOMINATE TO FILL THE SUPREME COURT VACANCY? IF SO, WHO? (2/15/2016 2:07:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Article II of the Constitution declares that the president SHALL appoint a new Justice. Obama briefly remarked in his Scalia speech that the president must fulfill his constitutional duty.



All of a sudden, this president cares about the Constitution? That's fuckin' funny!



Michael


It is not a matter of what the president cares about; it is a matter of what the constitution compels him to do




bounty44 -> RE: SHOULD OBAMA NOMINATE TO FILL THE SUPREME COURT VACANCY? IF SO, WHO? (2/15/2016 6:22:05 AM)

"Ted Cruz Says He Will ‘Absolutely’ Filibuster Obama’s Nominee To Replace Scalia…"

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Texas Sen. Ted Cruz is threatening to filibuster any Supreme Court nominee made by President Obama to replace the late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.

“This should be a decision for the people,” Cruz said on ABC’s “This Week With George Stephanopoulos” on Sunday. “Let the election decide. If the Democrats want to replace [Scalia], they need to win the election. But I don’t think the American people want a court that will strip our religious liberties. I don’t think the American people want a court that will mandate unlimited abortions on demand, partial-birth abortion with taxpayer funding and no parental notification, and I don’t think the American people want a court that will write the Second Amendment out of the Constitution.”

On Saturday, Obama said he plans “to fulfill my constitutional responsibilities to nominate a successor in due time,” pressing the Senate to “fulfill its responsibility to give that person a fair hearing and a timely vote.”

Asked whether he would filibuster Obama’s choice, Cruz said: “Absolutely.”

“The Senate’s duty is to advise and consent,” Cruz said on NBC’s “Meet The Press” Sunday. “We’re advising that a lame-duck president in an election year is not going to be able to tip the balance of the Supreme Court.”


http://www.weaselzippers.us/256802-ted-cruz-says-he-will-absolutely-filibuster-obamas-nominee-to-replace-scalia/




dcnovice -> RE: SHOULD OBAMA NOMINATE TO FILL THE SUPREME COURT VACANCY? IF SO, WHO? (2/15/2016 7:34:51 AM)

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"Ted Cruz Says He Will ‘Absolutely’ Filibuster Obama’s Nominee To Replace Scalia…"

I guess shutting down the whole government a few years back wasn't obstructionist enough.

It is entertaining to see the party of "strict construction" inventing a new constitutional doctrine from whole cloth. [:)]




subrob1967 -> RE: SHOULD OBAMA NOMINATE TO FILL THE SUPREME COURT VACANCY? IF SO, WHO? (2/15/2016 7:38:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

If Obama was smart (which is questionable) he'd nominate Sri Srinivasan. But my guess is Sri isn't progressive enough for this President.

I found this from 2013 about Sri.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/05/23/sri-srinivasan-judge-supreme-court-circuit-dc-obama-bush/2351543/
updated yesterday by all accounts.

This story was first published on May 23, 2013. Srikanth Srinivasan is seen as a possible nominee by President Obama to the Supreme Court.

WASHINGTON — The issue before the Supreme Court was the Defense of Marriage Act, and the smooth-talking native of India representing the United States of America at the podium had a tough argument to make.

Why, Chief Justice John Roberts wanted to know, was the government not only refusing to defend the law, which denies federal benefits to legally married same-sex couples, but arguing the other side — all while continuing to enforce it?

From his post feet away from the nine justices March 27, Srikanth Srinivasan (SREE-kont SREE-nee-vah-sun) calmly explained what Roberts called a "totally unprecedented" situation. Along the way, the mathematics professor's son sprinkled in references to numerators, denominators and algorithms, the statutes 28 U.S.C. 530(d) and 28 U.S.C. 1254, and the precedents established by INS v.Chadha, United States v. Lovett and Turner Broadcasting v. FCC.

Without notes.


I think Obama may have more smarts...than you thought...
interesting watch list tho.




I doubt it, on the same short list as Judge Srinivasan are Kamala Harris, Eric Holder & our current AG Lynch. If he were as smart as you seem to think he is, none of the latter would even be mentioned for the vacancy.





Phydeaux -> RE: SHOULD OBAMA NOMINATE TO FILL THE SUPREME COURT VACANCY? IF SO, WHO? (2/15/2016 8:53:14 AM)

Hillary.




kdsub -> RE: SHOULD OBAMA NOMINATE TO FILL THE SUPREME COURT VACANCY? IF SO, WHO? (2/15/2016 8:55:18 AM)

So...lets raise taxes...pay our debt... instead of the Republican way... trickle down rob from the middle class bullshit... that has been proven over and over not to work. I am all for reevaluating our financial commitments and then living within our means... but the only damn way to payoff the debt is with REAL money...and the only way to get REAL money is through taxes.

When our debt is paid off I would support legislation requiring a balanced budget except in time of war.

Butch




vincentML -> RE: SHOULD OBAMA NOMINATE TO FILL THE SUPREME COURT VACANCY? IF SO, WHO? (2/15/2016 9:09:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Knightimequiet

This is why this country is on the path to Civil War. You have zero to back up your claim. The Majority Leader was compelled to make such a statement due to the debate that was hours away. This was exactly what should be done to protect the candidates as I would expect from either party. Obama is a unabashed social engineer that has done more to destroy the separation of powers that is written in our Constitution that many other Presidents. Period. The Congress has been complicit in many of his acts as well. The goes back over and over right back to FDR no matter what party the President is in.The point is the current administration only cares for itself and not the people. Otherwise polling data would be followed religiously. It never is at all. The polarization of the public leads us to taking up arms against each other. Concensus must rule the data as intended but we don't care for that. Only feeling our side is winning. Your attitude lays bare the fact you only care for your views and those that agree with you. That is not American and indicates your own self loathing and regret. The Constitution is a contract made by past generations for future ones to set down a way to address common issues. Your continued name calling is baseless and in point of fact would preclude you from the decision making structure within our government. That is why currently there are no fit candidates running for president or holding the office. Concensus is a non starter for these people. This makes for individuals like yourself and others that feel it is your duty to say hateful and hurtful words to get your say. While I protect and believe it's your right I know it is nothing more than a set mind set based upon experience not shared by all. Anger based upon that experience. Unwillingness to forgive and grow and make sure life is better for the next generation by setting the right example, along with a lack of civics education. Of course you will not agree with my assessment but when you think to yourself about the anger and hate in this world are you good with adding to it? Does that advance your point of view? No. Anger and hate breeds only more. It is a wonderful thing to spout vitriol on the Internet but you will have to live with the consequences. Something tells me that you cannot or would not because you were hurt and for that I am sorry and full of pity.

I don't know WTF this guy is talking about but it seems I annoyed him somehow. Too bad he did not have the courtesy to display whichever of my comments offended him. Absent that, I can only read this as a narcissistic rant. I would be happy to reply if he told me what I did to ruffle his equilibrium.




vincentML -> RE: SHOULD OBAMA NOMINATE TO FILL THE SUPREME COURT VACANCY? IF SO, WHO? (2/15/2016 9:24:10 AM)

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1. Yes, he should nominate someone.
2. I'd prefer someone who isn't an ideologue.
3. Bill Clinton?!? Seriously?
4. Michelle Obama?!? That's even more ridiculous than nominating Bill Clinton! Remember, this was the woman who wasn't proud of her country until her husband was elected President. I can't even imagine how incredibly discriminatory she'd act.

Really? Who is not an ideologue?
Bill Clinton. Probably could not withstand a vetting of his Foundation. But left the office with an extremely high favorability rating; doesn't need a law license to be on SCOTUS.
Michelle Obama. Probably not. Would be a horrific nepotism issue. Being proud of your country is not a requirement, is it? And who can blame her for her feelings after 400 years of black holocaust in North America?




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: SHOULD OBAMA NOMINATE TO FILL THE SUPREME COURT VACANCY? IF SO, WHO? (2/15/2016 9:50:42 AM)

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It is entertaining to see the party of "strict construction" inventing a new constitutional doctrine from whole cloth.

Yeah, that is pretty funny




ifmaz -> RE: SHOULD OBAMA NOMINATE TO FILL THE SUPREME COURT VACANCY? IF SO, WHO? (2/15/2016 9:50:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

So...lets raise taxes...pay our debt... instead of the Republican way... trickle down rob from the middle class bullshit... that has been proven over and over not to work. I am all for reevaluating our financial commitments and then living within our means... but the only damn way to payoff the debt is with REAL money...and the only way to get REAL money is through taxes.

When our debt is paid off I would support legislation requiring a balanced budget except in time of war.

Butch


If you view the government budget as a household budget, you're saying in order to make ends meet someone in the family has to get another job instead of eliminating cable TV with HBO, Showtime, Skinemax, and Starz.

The military's budget can be halved (at least); the government should get out of 'Obamacare'; stop subsidizing corporations, farms, energy, cars, etc. That frees up quite a bit of money to pay down the national debt without raising taxes.




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