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respectmen -> RE: Women Aren't Trying So They Are Complaining (2/26/2016 4:24:20 PM)
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UllrsIshtar
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Show me a man who will be with a woman if they weren't getting something in return.
Everybody wants something in return for being with somebody. Men generally want different things than women though, but no man on Earth is going to stay with a woman without getting from her whatever it is he wants.
I understand that men and women may want different things. But as I will keep pointing out, when you generally compare what a man wants compared to what a woman wants, its usually the woman with the far bigger sense of entitlement. Yet men are judged more on their sense of entitlement even that it's smaller than the woman's. The woman's is judged less, or not at all, even that its 10 times bigger than the man's. A man usually gets ridiculed in these forums when he appears to feel entitled to just the average woman. Just like the OP. So back to my main point, if you really want genuine equality, the same standard must be applied to all and not one gender being privileged over the other. If you or any other woman don't want that, you and any other woman are being hypocrites each time you/they claim equality in the workplace and other areas in life where men appear to be privileged.
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There is no scrutiny placed on what women have to offer to men? Then why do men ever turn women down at all? You're acting like the only one ever getting rejected are men. There are plenty of women who are interested in men they don't have a chance at getting, because the man isn't interested in them.
Of course men have standards and women get rejected. Women may be under some scrutiny but if you look at what I quoted, my wording, I said "heavy scrutiny". I know I should have worded it and explained it better. My point is that men are under heavy scrutiny while women are not under "heavy" scrutiny as they always have a dozen emails in their inbox and generally get a lot of unwanted attention from men. Women generally get more attention from the opposite gender compared to what men generally get. Why? Because women are judged far less than men.
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Women also aren't expecting the most out of men. They're expecting just as much out of men as men are expecting out of women
You seem like you are contradicting yourself because earlier on you admitted that women generally want to date up. So it's impossible for men to expect just as much as women when its women who are dating up.
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You complain about fat, lazy, average, unemployed women thinking they are all that, and should be able to get a great guy. You're mad that they have expectations that are this high, when you're deeming them pretty low-end yourself. You're mad that they don't deem you good enough to date, and that they're holding out for a better guy than you, because you feel that their expectations of men are unreasonable considering what they have to offer (see... you're wanting something in return just as much as women want something in return for being in the relationship... just like every man wants something in return).
But these women are single. They're not getting the guy they want. Apparently men in general are agreeing with you that these women are expecting very much, and offering very little... and so they're single.
So why do you care? Why do you care that a woman who you deem has very little to offer you isn't interested in you? Why are you even interested in women who you deem have nothing to offer in return for what they want?
Let them expect to much and be single, if that's what they want to do. And if another man likes what they have to offer, and dates them anyways (even though you think she's not offering enough) then what do you care? Let him date her, and deem that what she's offering him is enough. It doesn't impact you now does it? Because you've already decided that what she's offering isn't enough for *you*.
Why are you upset that women who you're not interested in dating, are not interested in you?
Go find women who you are interested in dating, who are offering what you think you as a man deserve, who are paying their fair dues in the relationship and offer to give in return for what they expect out of you.
If a woman isn't offering what you're looking for... why care if she doesn't like you to begin with?
Okay, a few people in here seem to make out that I am mad or I seem to WANT these women who I am complaining about. Firstly, I don't want these women. As I explained in my last post that I don't want anything to do with a chauvinist bigot. I don't want to be with a woman who thinks she is more worthy than my existence simply because she is a woman. If I was to get mad, I would have to "want" these women first. As I don't want these women, I find it hard to feel mad. Instead, I am laughing at these women. As I also explained in my last post, I would rather annoy these types of women than to have any friendly relations with them. I would rather point out the truth about them and call out their bullshit rather than tell them what they want to hear.
So please, you and everyone else, stop giving me these pointless and condescending lectures about why I shouldn't be trying to date these women.
I can get laid and do get laid. I actually had an offer last weekend but I was too fucking lazy. I am not desperate or craving and I am not "needing" women.
A man has these sexist misconceptions placed on him simply because he points out that women may have faults too and men suffer from inequality too. The reason behind this problem alone is that the wrong things women do is a socially taboo subject, just as what inequality men face is a socially taboo subject. Therefore, people feel the need to attack the man for raising these types of discussions due to him committing a social taboo. We have to be politically correct these days or pretty much you aren't being sociable. It's not sociable to place women accountable for things that go wrong in the dating world but its the social norm to blame men for everything.
cindyluvNY
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It seems to me that you are talking about women with good looks. Men and women, with good looks, have more opportunities. They get to pick and choose. And a lot of times they are choosing someone who can better their lives. There are a lot of men and women who aren't that way. They are just looking for friendship and compatibility.
No, I'm talking about everyone, any shape and size, any standard. Yes, it's true that people with good looks have more opportunities. But men get judged more on absolutely everything else other than looks.
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Again, it seems to me you are referring to people who provide a fetish service, and they are in high demand. They can pick and choose.
Last time I checked, the man is also offering fetishes. Why is his offerings less worthy than the woman's? Oh, because its socially acceptable to consider women more worthy than men. If we were to consider men more worthy than women in any area of life, there would be outrage. OMG misogyny, female oppression, patriarchy, chauvinism. When women are considered more worthy = good. When men are consider more worthy = bad.
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When you say "the best out of the bunch" can you describe what that is? What are the qualities this person has?
When women would reject nearly every man on collarspace, they are obviously seeking the best handful on men out of the selection while their own standard on themselves is very questionable.
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My impression is most men want sex in return.
If a woman wants a man, she doesn't? Everyone wants sex unless you're an asexual. That said, wanting sex alone is a far smaller sense of entitlement than the massive laundry list women want out of men.
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