Do you mean, by "internal input", that such a person relies entirely on their own perception of the world to form their opinions, and is entirely unaffected by any external data or opinions?
No, sorry, that's not what I meant, but I can see how it would come across like that.
I meant by internal versus external input "Holding ones own, internal, values, above the values of others, even if negative consequences ensue; or above external stimuli". That doesn't mean that external input isn't factored in. Of course it is, very heavily so even. But that external input will not cause a compromise of one's own internal value system when the two are in direct contradiction to each other.
A Gorean men leaving for work who is asked by his son to take the day off to go fishing might very well consider his son's input and decide that he'll cancel the meeting in favor of spending time with his son. In fact, he may be honor bound to do so if his value system dictates that his son in such queries comes before his work. On the other hand he may refuse, again honor bound, if his value system dictates that his work in such situations comes before his son. However, in either case, he will take all external input available, and then make the decision purely based on what his internal codes say about the situation... even if that means losing his job... or losing his son. And even if either one of those consequences would actually be on the line, he still wouldn't see himself as 'not having a choice'.
It basically comes down to internal consistency. If a Gorean held (for example) that "Stealing your neighbor's tv is immoral, against the codes, and not excusable in any situation" then they would not do so. It didn't matter if you held a gun to their head and said "Steal the tv or I'll shoot you (or your wife, or your daughter, etc)". The would not compromise their value that stealing the tv is against immoral, no matter what the cost was to themselves.
If a Gorean in that situation, out of fear, etc, would succumb to the external pressure anyways, and steal the tv, they would later claim: "I made a choice, and I made the wrong one". They would consider it despicable, and unGorean behavior. Just like a lapsed Atheist, who in a moment of drunken stupor, confessed to love God, would later consider that dispicable, unAtheist behavior.
On the other hand, the average person in that situation, would compromise their values that it was immoral to steal the tv, and later say "I did not have a choice, there was a gun against my head. I made the only (best) choice I could, considering the circumstances" even though stealing the tv clearly went against what they held (and currently hold) as dishonorable, immoral behavior.
It's not that Goreans don't factor in what goes on externally, what pressures they're under, what the opinion of others is. It's just that Goreans believe that there is no circumstance in which it is excusable for such external input to entice them to violate their own codes.
Anybody who does not believe that cannot be Gorean (although it's possible to believe that and not be Gorean, depending on the reasons why one believes it, as the reasons Goreans believe it stems directly from Home Stone morality).
< Message edited by UllrsIshtar -- 5/8/2016 1:08:06 PM >
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