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Trump's speeches criminal? Very possibly! - 3/16/2016 9:13:48 AM

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While the South Carolina prosecutor's office may be flip-flopping on calling his speech there "inciting a riot", other jurisdictions are begining to look at The Donald's suggestions of violence and offers to cover legal expenses as "inciting a riot", "communicating threats", and even "criminal conspiracy to commit a felony".

I personally feel he absolutely crossed a line in his advocacy of violence and should face charges. I also feel that the victims of that violence are justified in filing suit against him for damages! He needs to be taught that, even with his wealth, words and actions have consequences.

What say you?

RE: Trump's speeches criminal? Very possibly! - 3/16/2016 9:36:34 AM

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It's a very subjective matter but it is possible he could be liable. It would all reside on any attorney's ability to convince first a grand jury, then a trial jury.

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RE: Trump's speeches criminal? Very possibly! - 3/16/2016 9:40:49 AM

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What do I say?

When the tolerant are tolerant no more, it's an out rage!
It's okay for everyone else to spout off though, right?
But when the power spouts off its criminal.
Jesus, give me a break.
I think that outfit you have on in this forum is criminal but it's a free country.
Real power needs no violence. It's the idiots who think they can do anything, say anything, push every button and not get a wake up call are the criminals. They create the problem but deflect.
You asked.

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RE: Trump's speeches criminal? Very possibly! - 3/16/2016 9:42:48 AM

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from the huffn poo this morning...
WASHINGTON -- Although he is leading the Republican primary race by a wide margin, casino mogul Donald Trump is still far from winning the 1,237 delegates needed to secure the party's uncontested nomination.

Trump warned Wednesday morning that there would be widespread unrest if he does not "automatically" get the nomination as the candidate with the greatest number of delegates.

"I think you would have riots," Trump said during an interview with CNN, adding that he represents "many, many millions of people," including several first-time voters.

Party operatives hoping to stop Trump have looked to the possibility of a brokered convention, which could block his path to becoming the nominee should he only win a plurality of delegates.

Trump said such a scenario would outrage his supporters, who have shown increasing willingness to use violence against their political detractors.

"If you disenfranchise those people, and you say, 'Well, I’m sorry, but you’re 100 votes short, even though the next one is 500 votes short,' I think you would have problems like you’ve never seen before. I think bad things would happen," Trump continued. "I wouldn’t lead it, but I think bad things would happen."

Over the past several weeks, journalists covering Trump's campaign and people protesting at his rallies have been manhandled, punched, threatened and physically removed from events. The candidate said he would consider paying the legal fees for a supporter who was charged with assault for punching an anti-Trump protester in the face.

When the threat of violence against protesters at a campaign rally in Chicago forced Trump to cancel the event last week, he blamed the protesters and threatened to send his supporters to rallies for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) -- which could be read as an implicit threat that his fans would harm Sanders’ supporters.

Even as he boasts about his wide lead in the presidential primary, Trump seems acutely aware that he is still in danger of not getting a majority of delegates. During last week’s debate, he called 1,237 an "artificial" and "very random number" and said whoever has the most delegates at the end of the primaries should be the nominee. (In fact, it is not random at all, as it is the majority of the 2,472 available delegates.)

In an article weighing the fairness of the majority requirement in the primary races, Sean Trende aptly explained the downside of allowing a candidate to win by a plurality instead. "It is possible for a candidate who is loathed by a majority to win the post if the other voters don’t vote strategically," he wrote.

With Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) out of the race as of Tuesday night, it’s possible the party will unite behind Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) or Ohio Gov. John Kasich to block Trump from becoming the uncontested nominee -- but at this stage in the race, it’s unlikely either candidate could overtake him as the front-runner.

Personally Ive been saying it for quite a while...violence is the plan..

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RE: Trump's speeches criminal? Very possibly! - 3/16/2016 9:59:23 AM

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quote:

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While the South Carolina prosecutor's office may be flip-flopping on calling his speech there "inciting a riot", other jurisdictions are begining to look at The Donald's suggestions of violence and offers to cover legal expenses as "inciting a riot", "communicating threats", and even "criminal conspiracy to commit a felony".

I personally feel he absolutely crossed a line in his advocacy of violence and should face charges. I also feel that the victims of that violence are justified in filing suit against him for damages! He needs to be taught that, even with his wealth, words and actions have consequences.

What say you?

Well, since you asked...

What law would he have broken?
What actions were illegal?
What about his right to free speech? (darn that pesky Constitution, what say we amend it to define free speech as disrupting conservative messaging, are you in?).

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RE: Trump's speeches criminal? Very possibly! - 3/16/2016 10:02:17 AM

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Violence isn't the plan.
Cry babies don't get their way, they tend to provoke repeatedly.
Then they get man handled and scream " I was abused"

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RE: Trump's speeches criminal? Very possibly! - 3/16/2016 10:04:26 AM

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you are condoning violence....colour me surprised.

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RE: Trump's speeches criminal? Very possibly! - 3/16/2016 10:08:25 AM

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Violence isn't the plan.
Cry babies don't get their way, they tend to provoke repeatedly.
Then they get man handled and scream " I was abused"

Isn't trump doing that whining and pants shitting, or are you watching foreign tv programs, whereever you are from, guy?

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RE: Trump's speeches criminal? Very possibly! - 3/16/2016 10:08:39 AM

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With Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) out of the race as of Tuesday night, it’s possible the party will unite behind Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) or Ohio Gov. John Kasich to block Trump from becoming the uncontested nominee -- but at this stage in the race, it’s unlikely either candidate could overtake him as the front-runner.
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How would that "block" work, exactly? I think that ship has sailed already, hasn't it? Cruz has half of Trumps delegates and he will clean-up in the northeast states yet to vote. Kasich won one state. Trump is the overwhelming favorite of the voters. That's really all it takes for Trump to run for President. Any other position is smoke and mirrors.

We will look back at the above postings and either laugh or cry in the weeks ahead. I will be laughing.

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RE: Trump's speeches criminal? Very possibly! - 3/16/2016 10:12:35 AM

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You havent heard about the stop trump brigade, ??? you arent sure why they are not happy and want the brokered convention. Trumps numbers are barely hitting 50%, They are having a big meeting on thursday about him.

I wont be at all surprised if he is the nominee.
Im laughin all the time...

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RE: Trump's speeches criminal? Very possibly! - 3/16/2016 10:14:38 AM

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the idea would be let Cruz concentrate on the states hes good in to get a hell of a percentage difference built up, send Rubio into states he would have support in stumping for Cruz, and Kasich hit only the states hes good in. Until one of them runs out of their money.

That is a lot of ifs but might deny him the 1237 number. First vote fails if they hold the line (and if they dont there is some real big problems that wont be fixed by anything) and after that, its old time republican gladhanding, whiskey and cigars in the backrooms.

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RE: Trump's speeches criminal? Very possibly! - 3/16/2016 10:16:46 AM

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/snip.... after that, its old time republican gladhanding, whiskey and cigars in the backrooms.

thursday night.... steak and blowjob night....

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RE: Trump's speeches criminal? Very possibly! - 3/16/2016 10:17:54 AM

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Trump warned Wednesday morning that there would be widespread unrest if he does not "automatically" get the nomination as the candidate with the greatest number of delegates.

No doubt. But don't you agree it will be a voter natural reaction to the majority will being ignored and not because Trump stands up at some podium and calls for unrest?

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RE: Trump's speeches criminal? Very possibly! - 3/16/2016 10:19:09 AM

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Yeah, but thats what nutsuckers are all about, ignoring the majority, what the fuck did they expect?

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RE: Trump's speeches criminal? Very possibly! - 3/16/2016 10:25:21 AM

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Trump warned Wednesday morning that there would be widespread unrest if he does not "automatically" get the nomination as the candidate with the greatest number of delegates.

No doubt. But don't you agree it will be a voter natural reaction to the majority will being ignored and not because Trump stands up at some podium and calls for unrest?

trump is doing it continually, but the voters who do are the problem too...
just like with any protest....
Unless he is serious about calming down the loons in his base, he will have more than blood on his hands.
Because the anger isnt one sided.

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RE: Trump's speeches criminal? Very possibly! - 3/16/2016 10:27:09 AM

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the idea would be let Cruz concentrate on the states hes good in to get a hell of a percentage difference built up, send Rubio into states he would have support in stumping for Cruz, and Kasich hit only the states hes good in. Until one of them runs out of their money.

That is a lot of ifs but might deny him the 1237 number. First vote fails if they hold the line (and if they dont there is some real big problems that wont be fixed by anything) and after that, its old time republican gladhanding, whiskey and cigars in the backrooms.

I do understand the math and the logic. But consider that nothing about the Trump candidacy has followed the old rules and he is self financed, charismatic and has not voters but followers that now make up a single block majority that together are more powerful than any back room gathering. It is overwhelming. Instead, the focus in the next few weeks will be to beat Hillary and only Trump can do this leaving the back room no choice but to line up behind the only real winner here or the back room loses too much including perhaps their jobs.

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RE: Trump's speeches criminal? Very possibly! - 3/16/2016 10:33:36 AM

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FR....I read this morning that carson endorsed trump because he promised him a position later on..
any thoughts?

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RE: Trump's speeches criminal? Very possibly! - 3/16/2016 10:35:25 AM

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Trump warned Wednesday morning that there would be widespread unrest if he does not "automatically" get the nomination as the candidate with the greatest number of delegates.

No doubt. But don't you agree it will be a voter natural reaction to the majority will being ignored and not because Trump stands up at some podium and calls for unrest?

trump is doing it continually, but the voters who do are the problem too...
just like with any protest....
Unless he is serious about calming down the loons in his base, he will have more than blood on his hands.
Because the anger isnt one sided.

Don't you agree it is his right and responsibility to state the obvious even if it makes some uncomfortable?
Don't you agree that it is never a problem when the majority decides in a Democracy?
I suspect the "blood" comment is over the top a little, don't you?

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RE: Trump's speeches criminal? Very possibly! - 3/16/2016 10:39:48 AM

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Rally protesters violating federal law

Signed by Obama in 2012. I've highlighted the entertaining sections of HR 347.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr347/text
Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011:
Section 1752, Restricted Building or Grounds:
"
a) Whoever--
(1) knowingly enters or remains in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority to do so;
(2) knowingly, and with intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions, engages in disorderly or disruptive conduct in, or within such proximity to, any restricted building or grounds when, or so that, such conduct, in fact, impedes or disrupts the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions;
(3) knowingly, and with the intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions, obstructs or impedes ingress or egress to or from any restricted building or grounds; or
(4) knowingly engages in any act of physical violence against any person or property in any restricted building or grounds;
or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b).
"
"
(c) In this section--
(1) the term restricted buildings or grounds means any posted, cordoned off, or otherwise restricted area--
(A) of the White House or its grounds, or the Vice President's official residence or its grounds;
(B) of a building or grounds where the President or other person protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily visiting; or
(C) of a building or grounds so restricted in conjunction with an event designated as a special event of national significance; and
(2) the term other person protected by the Secret Service means any person whom the United States Secret Service is authorized to protect under section 3056 of this title or by Presidential memorandum, when such person has not declined such protection.
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RE: Trump's speeches criminal? Very possibly! - 3/16/2016 10:42:12 AM

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you are condoning violence....colour me surprised.

I's sorry miss Scarlett, I's white.... I can't find a seat on this bus, i's will just stand miss Scarlett ....
Can's I do your wash miss, why I lets em piss on me?

I really is so sorry miss Scarlett.

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