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Humiliation and Vulnerability - 7/19/2006 10:03:49 PM

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Humiliation and Vulnerability draws such a delightfull picture in your mind doesn't it?

Either you have a sub/slave in a position of no escape completely vulnerable and already feelongthe pangs (and joys) or humiliation as all about can see her or his naked body ready for what ever you have in mind. (Make suitable litery adjustments if you are a sub/slave.). Now tell me, how did you get the sub/slave into this desirable possition????

Did you know that a study of the techniques used by the Gestapo, the KGB and the Stasi to use three examples, found that with a female the most efficient way to soften her was to order he to strip nakid ynder bright lights and being watched by interrogators. (If she is stripped she can psychologically surrender her ability to resist. Making her strip naked is her contribution and thus an active participant.) Now with a male the reverse is true. The male arrogance will decide the he can and will remove his clothes and stand in his nakid glory defiently. If he is forcible stripped this defence mechanism is removed and the fact that he is helpless is reinfoirced in his psychie leaving him emotionally vulnerable.

Sometimes the psychology and techniques used by Secret Police and other organizations is or use for the BDSM and similar lifestyles as long as it is modified so as not to be destructive and the operators have a good understanding of what they do..

Again I ask:

Now tell me, how did you get the sub/slave into this desirable possition????

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RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability - 7/19/2006 10:11:05 PM

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By convincing her that it equates to freedom.

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RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability - 7/19/2006 10:13:49 PM

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Ahhh the psychological and programming approach.. Good, very good.....

Perhaps we could modify the lighting so the room is dark and she/he is lit by a single bright spot. We could add the sound of dripping water, the scurrying of little furry creatures and even the distant sounds of some one screaming in terror and/or pain (All sound effects taped of course)

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RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability - 7/19/2006 10:20:58 PM

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Or we can just leave a skull, in a clear jar, on the table....filled with some volatile fluid, that mimics acid......

Marked "stubborn".

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RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability - 7/19/2006 10:23:38 PM

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Caretakr you have a delightfully evil mind. Salute' ! Are you sure you didn't train in one of the SP orgainzations I listed?

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RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability - 7/19/2006 10:25:37 PM

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1000 posts, I really need to get a life.

Naw, I'm probably just reincarnated Shutz Staffel.

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RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability - 7/19/2006 10:37:09 PM

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However, making someone feel vulnerable does not necessarily make them feel humiliated.

In many cases, submissives can feel joy or freedom or degradation or depression...any range of emotions really.

While I do feel that in order to make someone feel humiliated, they do need to be made vulnerable to you in some way- a person does not necessarily feel humiliated when they are vulnerable.

As to the HOW- I have no idea. I just know it's simply knowing a person so well that you can push their buttons. I think some is just pure connectivity and chemistry.

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RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability - 7/19/2006 10:41:09 PM

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You simply poke the monkey till it screams. It may take a while, but you always find a button or two.

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RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability - 7/19/2006 10:46:43 PM

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I am going to have to think about this more for myself. Because I know there are some scenarios I envison (and have experienced) that I just love so much. But I haven't given too much thought to what I would consider "over the edge" or even "on the edge" (and it's not because I don't have any "edge"). The things I think I would consider degrading in a bad way.

But that's not the question. If I like someone, I know this is going to maybe sound hard to believe, but I do consider myself versatile, and if someone said "we are going to try to do a humilaition scene now", I really would say: "Okay, let's do it". What do you want me to do? Not that that would always work out for the best, maybe that kills the mood for some people - but that's all I can think of right now (sorry). If you know somebody, you know if : Their mind is elsewhere, or they've had an extra, extra tough day. The scene might help erase those kinds of things, though (but could exacerbate them , too). It helps to know someone (and of course that works both ways).

- Susan

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RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability - 7/19/2006 10:47:27 PM

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I agree LA, the example I was using was just one which has a proven track record for preparing people for more ingenioius techniques of interogation in which humiliation takes an important part.. Much can be done with a good mind fuck. I simply turn to the areas where such things have been studied and mastered to get what I believe to be adaptable for BDSM

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RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability - 7/19/2006 10:48:49 PM

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I simply turn to the areas where such things have been studied and mastered to get what I believe to be adaptable for BDSM

Oh I agree, learning human psychology and manipulation tools are fabulous to work in bdsm and ds relationships.

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RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability - 7/19/2006 10:51:38 PM

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Or you can just use a few suggestive props-especially if you want to mind fuck with a hard limit. Like a stack of disposable diapers,with a full enema bag hanging next to them.

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RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability - 7/19/2006 11:51:00 PM

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Caretakr, You definitely scare me!

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RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability - 7/20/2006 1:05:20 AM

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I just thought of a something that does work on me (but it's a real fine line to walk unless somebody knows me fairly well) - but, when someone gets to just the edge of what I consider the line between fun sarcasm and kidding around, and truly making fun of something I've said, so that I cannot really tell if they are serious, that will put me "in the mood", but - it works much, much better for me, if that person then puts a hand on my shoulder and strokes my hair or something, or otherwise clearly indicates to me (verbally or physically) that they do care about me, because -

in order to trust someone, I have to feel I can give them the benefit of any doubt I have about whether or not they are actually a genuine a__hole. Because if I truly think they are one, the humiliation just won't work for me. I also have to have respect for their intelligence and integrity for this to work, or instead - it will just make me want to cry, run and-or leave the room (which isn't the goal, I gather, I am thinking both parties are hoping to get what they need, even if that doesn't always happen). Obviously, I have to know the person and they me, fairly well. This is probably way TMI, and I don't know if it even makes sense to some people so -please do not try this at home.

- Susan

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RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability - 7/20/2006 1:20:46 AM

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i think when i'm with Master, i always feel a little vulnerable, because i neva know wotz going to happen next. as for humiliation, that's a bit more difficult. i sometimes feel embarressed/scared/excited/HOT when Master toys with me when we might get seen by other people, like bearing my boobs in a public place, or wearing a really short skirt with no knickers, and then standing on the platform at the top of a slide when there people underneath, or taking me into the gents toilets when other people are watching, or having me kneel and kiss, or lick His shoes when there's others around, or again, ova the park when everybodies there, and His got His fingers under my collar and His just gently leading me round. He's doing it without thinking, but i can see people looking...

i dunno if that's called exhibitionism or wot, but i don't think it's done for other peoples viewing pleasure. i don't really eva feel humiliated. like i said, just a bit embarressed sometimes, scared, excited and yes sometimes, very, VERY hot!

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RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability - 7/20/2006 1:34:07 AM

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Exhibitionism is something I enjoy too, shivvy. I enjoy it so much, it's almost not really humiliating at all. For me, it's more like: "When can we do this again"? So, the types of things you mentioned wouldn't really discomfort me a whole lot in any bad way (maybe a little, especially the collar and the chest thing) - it would depend on what, exactly, the humiliation entailed.

Surprises as far as requests from a Master or Dominant go, provided they know their partner's "limits" well, I'd imagine, could be end up being very fun. That I've never tried before.

- Susan

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RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability - 7/20/2006 2:45:51 AM

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quote:

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Caretakr, You definitely scare me!

He actually tends to turn me on! LOL

Edited to add: and this sometimes scares me..

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RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability - 7/20/2006 6:05:54 AM

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Tsks.........

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RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability - 7/20/2006 7:04:56 AM

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strong minds

clear actions

always a turn on..lol

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RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability - 7/20/2006 7:08:23 AM

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quote:

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Or we can just leave a skull, in a clear jar, on the table....filled with some volatile fluid, that mimics acid......

Marked "stubborn".

OK. I truly am twisted...because that made me *hot*.

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