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Phydeaux -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 12:59:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

By Matea Gold and Anu Narayanswamy April 15 at 2:11 PM
A small core of super-rich individuals is responsible for the record sums cascading into the coffers of super PACs for the 2016 elections, a dynamic that harks back to the financing of presidential campaigns in the Gilded Age.

Close to half of the money — 41 percent — raised by the groups by the end of February came from just 50 mega-donors and their relatives, according to a Washington Post analysis of federal campaign finance reports. Thirty-six of those are Republican supporters who have invested millions trying to shape the GOP nomination contest — accounting for more than 70 percent of the money from the top 50.

In all, donors this cycle have given more than $607 million to 2,300 super PACs, which can accept unlimited contributions from individuals and corporations. That means super PAC money is on track to surpass the $828 million that the Center for Responsive Politics found was raised by such groups for the 2012 elections.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-new-gilded-age-close-to-half-of-all-super-pac-money-comes-from-50-donors/2016/04/15/63dc363c-01b4-11e6-9d36-33d198ea26c5_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_superpacs-830a_1%3Ahomepage%2Fstory


Nice way to try to resurrect a completely discredited meme.

Given the short attention span of the average voter you will no doubt succeed. However, if you look at pac spending in this election cycle - who were the people with the big donations. Jeb Bush. Marco Rubio. Ben Carson. Hillary Clinton.

Who were people without PACS: Trump, Sanders.

The idea that money buys elections is thus demonstrably, patently false. In the entire election to date, trump has spent less in toto than Hillary and allied pacs have spent in one month. Nor does sanders have a PAC.




Phydeaux -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 1:01:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Because its morally wrong thompson, regardless of how many people do it.

And the fact that you couldn't even imagine that answer pretty much says a lot about you.


So you would be good with being tossed in prison for being on this site because some may find it morallyy wrong.
For someone who is constantly pimping the libratarian model you seem to be backsliding into a desire for a "dictatorship of the moral majority".
Which, by the way, is what I have always suspected of your adolescent perspective.




And your erroneous extrapolation regarding both prison and 'dictatorship' is based solely on your warped perspective, absent any evidence, as usual.




Lucylastic -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 1:01:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

I am in a smiting mood tonightLucylastic Understand that many are too far gone with the mange and the fleas and bubonic plague

have a muffin and some chardonnay on the house Thor.:)
have a good weekend[;)]




Phydeaux -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 1:05:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
The thing to do is encourage governments to instigate programs to reduce the population to levels they can support.
Butch


That's kinda chilling there, Butch.



I think there would be little argument that birth control is necessary in countries that cannot feed their people...There should be no politically correct over this issue.

Butch



Why is birth control a better solution? Why do you think it is morally superior to prevent babies rather than to allow them to live? Or why do you think that sex without the natural consequence of pregnancy is nobler than sex with the chance of pregnancy.

People in africa, as a rule, strongly disagree with birth control. Why do you think your position on birth control is morally superior to theirs?

Isn't that cultural imperialism at its heart, and racism/genocide at its worst?




Phydeaux -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 1:08:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Actually, my moral philosophy is based upon Liberation Theology.

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Jesus Christ on a popcycle, search for your own damn links. Are you an idiot!


To quote Sesame Street: "One of these things is not like the other.. one of these things is not the same...."




Lucylastic -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 1:16:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

By Matea Gold and Anu Narayanswamy April 15 at 2:11 PM
A small core of super-rich individuals is responsible for the record sums cascading into the coffers of super PACs for the 2016 elections, a dynamic that harks back to the financing of presidential campaigns in the Gilded Age.

Close to half of the money — 41 percent — raised by the groups by the end of February came from just 50 mega-donors and their relatives, according to a Washington Post analysis of federal campaign finance reports. Thirty-six of those are Republican supporters who have invested millions trying to shape the GOP nomination contest — accounting for more than 70 percent of the money from the top 50.

In all, donors this cycle have given more than $607 million to 2,300 super PACs, which can accept unlimited contributions from individuals and corporations. That means super PAC money is on track to surpass the $828 million that the Center for Responsive Politics found was raised by such groups for the 2012 elections.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-new-gilded-age-close-to-half-of-all-super-pac-money-comes-from-50-donors/2016/04/15/63dc363c-01b4-11e6-9d36-33d198ea26c5_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_superpacs-830a_1%3Ahomepage%2Fstory


Nice way to try to resurrect a completely discredited meme.

Given the short attention span of the average voter you will no doubt succeed. However, if you look at pac spending in this election cycle - who were the people with the big donations. Jeb Bush. Marco Rubio. Ben Carson. Hillary Clinton.

Who were people without PACS: Trump, Sanders.

The idea that money buys elections is thus demonstrably, patently false. In the entire election to date, trump has spent less in toto than Hillary and allied pacs have spent in one month. Nor does sanders have a PAC.

Sanders has every single one of them beat for single donations...it says so much for a "commie" candidate.
But money didnt buy the last election either, however sure they were that they had it in the bag.
But a lot of people lost a LOT Of money.... thats the only positive for me, and its going to be the same this year. Both are beyond dangerous. The infighting is gloriously horrendous.
Hils? she may well get it. but her dealings go hard against her in this tide of anti establishment sentiment, Bernie is riding higher, I dont see it helping, the whole systems a nightmare on both sides
The coming implosion is going to be nasty.




mnottertail -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 1:21:33 PM)

Well, its not a discredited 'meme' particularly when nutsuckers discredit it, it lends credence to it. There is more than a presidential race, and the election isn't on yet, and nutsucker dark money is and will be pouring their sewage into America constantly.




thompsonx -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 1:49:24 PM)

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Because its morally wrong thompson, regardless of how many people do it.

And the fact that you couldn't even imagine that answer pretty much says a lot about you.


So you would be good with being tossed in prison for being on this site because some may find it morallyy wrong?
For someone who is constantly pimping the libratarian model you seem to be backsliding into a desire for a "dictatorship of the moral majority".
Which, by the way, is what I have always suspected of your adolescent perspective.




And your erroneous extrapolation regarding both prison and 'dictatorship' is based solely on your warped perspective, absent any evidence, as usual.

No erroneous extapolation just your own words as proof.




kdsub -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 2:01:34 PM)

Encouraging policies of birth control is not mandatory serialization... It could just be education and affordable access to birth control drugs and devices.

Butch




kdsub -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 2:07:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

You were doing okay up until we are the only nation able or willing to do it.

Resources - you are 16 trillion in debt (aye and the rest), owned by china, effectively china's wee bitch and its coming to get you
The moral obligation - Your nation is morally bankrupt and corrupt to the core and mentally paranoid - spy on its own people - everyone else in the world too

Yes the UK is 1.6 trillion in debt and we Adopt Gawd bless America Codswallop, for the sheople, blame it all on johnny foreigner and those, who our policies, have reduced to ruination or utter poverty with our political (fukemall)acumen and non astute arguments/debates scrounging bastards*

I could talk about food banks usage at an all time high in the UK, EU food mountains - Although farmers in many European Union countries are efficient and produce ... This basic system led to the infamous "butter mountains" and "wine lakes" (me want) of the whether my plums (you women know exactly what I mean) are so large are they are snow capped and is my man jizz the true elixir of life(Ursula Andress in SHE)....which you can buy on muffinbay essenceofmuffinman, a brew of utter wretch, for 4 bars of gold and a titty picture

As for the majority of the American electorate, also the UK electorate, simply lack the capacity and wherewithal - that word reminds of Withnail and I


You would make a good dalek

Timothy Dalton - Spitlord



Facts my friend facts... we are the ONLY nation with the desire, resources, and wherewithal to feed the worlds hungry especially in an emergency situation. It seems the ultra conservative and radical liberals on these boards can only think in terms of money.

Butch




kdsub -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 2:12:55 PM)

I feel no child should be born when the parents do not have the resources to properly care for it... what do you think? This is not an abortion issue just common sense.

Butch




Lucylastic -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 2:14:33 PM)

Why do you feel the poor should be sterilized?




Phydeaux -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 2:21:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

By Matea Gold and Anu Narayanswamy April 15 at 2:11 PM
A small core of super-rich individuals is responsible for the record sums cascading into the coffers of super PACs for the 2016 elections, a dynamic that harks back to the financing of presidential campaigns in the Gilded Age.

Close to half of the money — 41 percent — raised by the groups by the end of February came from just 50 mega-donors and their relatives, according to a Washington Post analysis of federal campaign finance reports. Thirty-six of those are Republican supporters who have invested millions trying to shape the GOP nomination contest — accounting for more than 70 percent of the money from the top 50.

In all, donors this cycle have given more than $607 million to 2,300 super PACs, which can accept unlimited contributions from individuals and corporations. That means super PAC money is on track to surpass the $828 million that the Center for Responsive Politics found was raised by such groups for the 2012 elections.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-new-gilded-age-close-to-half-of-all-super-pac-money-comes-from-50-donors/2016/04/15/63dc363c-01b4-11e6-9d36-33d198ea26c5_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_superpacs-830a_1%3Ahomepage%2Fstory


Nice way to try to resurrect a completely discredited meme.

Given the short attention span of the average voter you will no doubt succeed. However, if you look at pac spending in this election cycle - who were the people with the big donations. Jeb Bush. Marco Rubio. Ben Carson. Hillary Clinton.

Who were people without PACS: Trump, Sanders.

The idea that money buys elections is thus demonstrably, patently false. In the entire election to date, trump has spent less in toto than Hillary and allied pacs have spent in one month. Nor does sanders have a PAC.

Sanders has every single one of them beat for single donations...it says so much for a "commie" candidate.
But money didnt buy the last election either, however sure they were that they had it in the bag.
But a lot of people lost a LOT Of money.... thats the only positive for me, and its going to be the same this year. Both are beyond dangerous. The infighting is gloriously horrendous.
Hils? she may well get it. but her dealings go hard against her in this tide of anti establishment sentiment, Bernie is riding higher, I dont see it helping, the whole systems a nightmare on both sides
The coming implosion is going to be nasty.


Depends how you wish to count it. I believe that hard money the dims actually did raise and spend more money.

I agree that hils may well get it - despite being a criminal. Trump has made too many unforced errors, and hasn't been serious enough to setup a ground game.

He could have delivered a wave - but didn't have the heart to work for it. Disappointing. Cruz has an odious personality.

Crook, Blowhard, Snakeoil, Communist and Kasich. I'll choose the blowhard, Kasich, snakeoil, the communist, and the crook in that order. Although the communist could move up.




Phydeaux -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 2:23:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Because its morally wrong thompson, regardless of how many people do it.

And the fact that you couldn't even imagine that answer pretty much says a lot about you.


So you would be good with being tossed in prison for being on this site because some may find it morallyy wrong.
For someone who is constantly pimping the libratarian model you seem to be backsliding into a desire for a "dictatorship of the moral majority".
Which, by the way, is what I have always suspected of your adolescent perspective.




And your erroneous extrapolation regarding both prison and 'dictatorship' is based solely on your warped perspective, absent any evidence, as usual.

No erroneous extapolation just your own words as proof.


LOL. Feel free to quote me in my desire for a dictatorship. Or admit you made it up. In other words - put up or shut up.





Phydeaux -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 2:25:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I feel no child should be born when the parents do not have the resources to properly care for it... what do you think? This is not an abortion issue just common sense.

Butch


I think thats a rather elitist attitude. I think the responsibility of government is to help the poor, the unwanted. Whereas its not the responsibility of government to give you free birth control.




mnottertail -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 2:27:37 PM)

thats what you think, the overwhelming number of American citizens think birth control is on the list.




thompsonx -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 2:34:02 PM)


ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
ORIGINAL: thompsonx


Because its morally wrong thompson, regardless of how many people do it.

And the fact that you couldn't even imagine that answer pretty much says a lot about you.


So you would be good with being tossed in prison for being on this site because some may find it morallyy wrong.
For someone who is constantly pimping the libratarian model you seem to be backsliding into a desire for a "dictatorship of the moral majority".
Which, by the way, is what I have always suspected of your adolescent perspective.




And your erroneous extrapolation regarding both prison and 'dictatorship' is based solely on your warped perspective, absent any evidence, as usual.

No erroneous extapolation just your own words as proof.
[/quote]

LOL. Feel free to quote me in my desire for a dictatorship. Or admit you made it up. In other words - put up or shut up.


Perhaps if you were to get a grown up to read and explain to you what I said you would not appear to have your head up your ass all the time.




kdsub -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 2:35:06 PM)

Lucy... where are you getting that notion? Did I ever say that?

Butch




kdsub -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 2:39:02 PM)

So you think making birth control drugs and devices available to the poor is elitist... I think it is wise... of course there is nothing wrong with encouraging the religious right to keep their cocks zipped up in their pants... all for it.

Butch




Phydeaux -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 3:00:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

So you think making birth control drugs and devices available to the poor is elitist... I think it is wise... of course there is nothing wrong with encouraging the religious right to keep their cocks zipped up in their pants... all for it.

Butch


Except when it comes to actually promoting abstinence programs. Then I surmise you're against it.




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