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PeonForHer -> RE: Suggested reading for all liberals (4/23/2016 1:44:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Not an excellent post

Jesus you are phoquing observant.



Stop saying 'phoquing' when you mean 'facken', Thompson. It's beginning to irritate the scrotum off me.




Phydeaux -> RE: Suggested reading for all liberals (4/23/2016 2:50:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Socialism is a disaster.


For the nation as a whole, it improves things and leads to greater progress.


Uh huh. why don't you pretend to support your position. Still waiting for an example of where socialism made things better for a nation.
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It may come as a shock to you, but the US doesn't control the entire world. We have to play the geopolitical hand we're dealt.

But as far as creating long term competitors, we did that with Japan and Germany, didn't we? Should the US feel as threatened by that as you feel threatened by China?


Japan and Germany are reliable allies. China is a nuclear competitor that is taking agressive actions in the south pacific, designed to cut us access to these areas in a time of war, and hence remove our ability to assist japan, taiwan, phillipines - all us allies.

One measures threat according to your opponents action.
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As for Russia not being an agressive nation.
You're smoking things again. Crimea and 1/3 of ukraine begs to differ.


You really don't know what you're talking about, do you? Most of their history, they've invaded other nations, conquering on average a country the size of belgium every year of their existence If you ever bothered to read history, you would know this.




Fixed it for you.


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The territories you're referring to have been fought over many, many times. Russian history is often said to have begun with Kievan Rus, and "Ukraine" is a name derived from Russian, which means "by the border" or "borderland." Ukraine itself has also been invaded numerous times, by Scythians, Polovtsy, Bulgars, Turks, Poles, Lithuanians, Austro-Hungarians, and Germans. That's part of the reason the Russians had to migrate out of there and settled near what is now Moscow, which is how Moscow became the center of their culture and political power.

It's true there's been a lot of bad blood between them in recent years, and I do sympathize with the Ukrainians. But Russians and Ukrainians are more alike than they are different, and I think they'll come to terms eventually. I would also say that Putin probably could have handled things better, but so could we. This is hardly an example of Russian "aggression."



Right. And if having an army in someone elses country isn't an example of aggression nothing ever will be. You are dishonest.




Phydeaux -> RE: Suggested reading for all liberals (4/23/2016 2:54:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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Socialism is a disaster.

I have the distinct impression you have at best a very sketchy and uninformed idea as to what constitutes socialism.


And I have the distinct impression that you enjoy making posts without a factual basis disparaging those whose point of view you disagree with.
Oh wait. Your previous post proves the point.




thompsonx -> RE: Suggested reading for all liberals (4/23/2016 3:35:03 PM)


ORIGINAL: Phydeaux



Right. And if having an army in someone elses country isn't an example of aggression nothing ever will be. You are dishonest.

Amerika has military bases in 63 other countries...does that meet your concept of aggression?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.
[8|]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-worldwide-network-of-us-military-bases/5564




Zonie63 -> RE: Suggested reading for all liberals (4/23/2016 4:37:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Uh huh. why don't you pretend to support your position. Still waiting for an example of where socialism made things better for a nation.


I already have. Why don't you honestly deal with the points I've given you, rather than change quotes or make dishonest statements? I've given you cogent, intelligent arguments, and all you've responded with are excerpts from a John Birch Society pamphlet. This constant obsessive posturing of yours tells me that you're simply not capable of a reasonable discussion.

You spoke of "compromise" earlier, but how can any reasonable person compromise with the likes of you? I don't know if you're just being insufferable on purpose, or if this is just your naturally acerbic personality.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Suggested reading for all liberals (4/24/2016 6:56:30 AM)

No, I just know what "socialism" actually means, and your posts seem to imply quite strongly that you do not.




cloudboy -> RE: Suggested reading for all liberals (4/24/2016 7:48:42 AM)

Wanting to deal in facts and rational policy making is not smug.

Trickle-down economics is a myth.

Guns don't make your home safer.

Climate change is scientifically based.

Money in politics is "free speech."

The Constitution requires separation of church and state.

You can't hide bigotry in "religious values."

Fox News has never won any journalistic reporting prizes and its not a news organization practicing ethical journalism.

The police should not be in the business of shooting unarmed civilians.

The IRAQ war was a foreign policy disaster.

^^^ Citing facts is not smug.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Suggested reading for all liberals (4/24/2016 9:35:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
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Guns don't make your home safer.


Owning a gun and being proficient in it's use can make a home safer. It's not a guarantee, but it's nice to have in case it's necessary.

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Climate change is scientifically based.


Those that question whether or not humans are causing the climate to change base their questions on science, too.

Questioning science is essential in science. Closing down continued research of science isn't scientific.

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Money in politics is "free speech."


...regardless of who is spending that money...

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The Constitution requires separation of church and state.
You can't hide bigotry in "religious values."


The Constitution bars the Federal Government from establishing a national religion. The Constitution also bars the Federal Government from infringing on an individual's free exercise of his/her chosen religion.

What constitutes bigotry in a religious value may be a misinterpretation of the value. But, as long as a person's free exercise of his/her chosen religion isn't infringing on the rights of another, the Federal Government should have no authority to infringe on a religion's "bigotry."

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Fox News has never won any journalistic reporting prizes and its not a news organization practicing ethical journalism.


Fox News contributors and commentators have.

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The police should not be in the business of shooting unarmed civilians.


We agree that they should not be "in the business of" shooting unarmed civilians, but I'd go one further and say the police should not be in the business of shooting anyone. But, if the situation warrants firing a weapon, it shouldn't matter if the "target" is a civilian or not, nor should it matter if the "target" is armed or not.

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The IRAQ war was a foreign policy disaster.


We do agree on this.

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^^^ Citing facts is not smug.


Citing opinions as facts, and/or purposefully interpreting facts to misrepresent something, certainly can be smug.




CreativeDominant -> RE: Suggested reading for all liberals (4/24/2016 10:12:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
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Guns don't make your home safer.


Owning a gun and being proficient in it's use can make a home safer. It's not a guarantee, but it's nice to have in case it's necessary.

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Climate change is scientifically based.


Those that question whether or not humans are causing the climate to change base their questions on science, too.

Questioning science is essential in science. Closing down continued research of science isn't scientific.

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Money in politics is "free speech."


...regardless of who is spending that money...

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The Constitution requires separation of church and state.
You can't hide bigotry in "religious values."


The Constitution bars the Federal Government from establishing a national religion. The Constitution also bars the Federal Government from infringing on an individual's free exercise of his/her chosen religion.

What constitutes bigotry in a religious value may be a misinterpretation of the value. But, as long as a person's free exercise of his/her chosen religion isn't infringing on the rights of another, the Federal Government should have no authority to infringe on a religion's "bigotry."

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Fox News has never won any journalistic reporting prizes and its not a news organization practicing ethical journalism.


Fox News contributors and commentators have.

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The police should not be in the business of shooting unarmed civilians.


We agree that they should not be "in the business of" shooting unarmed civilians, but I'd go one further and say the police should not be in the business of shooting anyone. But, if the situation warrants firing a weapon, it shouldn't matter if the "target" is a civilian or not, nor should it matter if the "target" is armed or not.

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The IRAQ war was a foreign policy disaster.


We do agree on this.

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^^^ Citing facts is not smug.


Citing opinions as facts, and/or purposefully interpreting facts to misrepresent something, certainly can be smug.

Nicely done.




vincentML -> RE: Suggested reading for all liberals (4/24/2016 10:15:08 AM)

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What constitutes bigotry in a religious value may be a misinterpretation of the value. But, as long as a person's free exercise of his/her chosen religion isn't infringing on the rights of another, the Federal Government should have no authority to infringe on a religion's "bigotry."


And that is the crux of the matter, innit?




cloudboy -> RE: Suggested reading for all liberals (4/24/2016 11:36:33 AM)


Where I live a gun is not necessary or needed from any kind or rational angle (I live in a city with lots of neighbors nearby.) With no gun in the house, nobody can be shot with it. I don't claim that this is a blanket policy for everyone, but in terms of straight, mathematical odds, one is better off without a gun in the house. So, its a bit irrational to think one makes you safer. I would only consider one if I lived in an isolated house in the country. From what I know, I'd have to keep the gun locked up so children did not have access to it.

What awards has Fox News won? I've googled this trying to find out and always come up empty.

See:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/2/16/945538/-

Be well!




bigjb62 -> RE: Suggested reading for all liberals (4/24/2016 12:04:21 PM)

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With no gun in the house, nobody can be shot with it.


What's to stop someone from coming into your house with their own gun and using it on you?




DesideriScuri -> RE: Suggested reading for all liberals (4/24/2016 12:29:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
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What constitutes bigotry in a religious value may be a misinterpretation of the value. But, as long as a person's free exercise of his/her chosen religion isn't infringing on the rights of another, the Federal Government should have no authority to infringe on a religion's "bigotry."

And that is the crux of the matter, innit?


Absolutely. Your rights don't trump mine. They are equal. So, as long as my freely made choices don't have any impact on your ability to freely choose, I should be free to choose to do whatever I want (as it pertains to any interactions between you and I).




ifmaz -> RE: Suggested reading for all liberals (4/24/2016 12:33:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bigjb62

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With no gun in the house, nobody can be shot with it.


What's to stop someone from coming into your house with their own gun and using it on you?


Cloudboy has a "GUN FREE ZONE" sign on his front door.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Suggested reading for all liberals (4/24/2016 12:54:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
Where I live a gun is not necessary or needed from any kind or rational angle (I live in a city with lots of neighbors nearby.) With no gun in the house, nobody can be shot with it. I don't claim that this is a blanket policy for everyone, but in terms of straight, mathematical odds, one is better off without a gun in the house. So, its a bit irrational to think one makes you safer. I would only consider one if I lived in an isolated house in the country. From what I know, I'd have to keep the gun locked up so children did not have access to it.


Yes, a gun should be locked up so no one has access to it that shouldn't (as determined by the gun owner). What does it matter that there are a lot of neighbors nearby? Are they all going to come out and stop someone that is shooting you? Or, are they going to cower in fear for their own lives (which is likely what I'd do, to be honest) and hope they're not next? Once the cops are called (I'd do that while cowering in fear), how long is it going to take before they are there and the shooter is either incapacitated or gone?

It's true that with no gun in the house, no one can be shot with one, but, it's also true that with no chair in the house, no one can sit in a chair. It's not just that no one can be shot unintentionally (which is probably what you were intending, but I'm a sarcastic ass hole.... [:D]), but even someone who is there to infringe on your ability to continue to live can't be shot, either. You can no defend yourself from something you don't know is going to happen. The cops aren't going to be there 24/7 to protect you. They can only react once a crime has been committed, or a threat has been made. By the time the cops are called, or they get there, you could be dead and the perps gone.

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What awards has Fox News won? I've googled this trying to find out and always come up empty.
See:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/2/16/945538/-
Be well!


Your Google-fu either sucks, or your Google is broken.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2011/10/03/roger-ailes-receives-award-for-excellence-in-journalism.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_Hume#Awards

https://variety.com/2013/tv/awards/chris-wallace-1200477160/

No idea if Greta is right or wrong, but if she's telling the truth, this might explain things.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/greta-van-susteren-explains-why-fox-news-never-wins-any-emmys/

Not a comprehensive list, but proof that FOX News Channel (as opposed to local FOX affiliate news shows) people have garnered journalistic awards.




Phydeaux -> RE: Suggested reading for all liberals (4/24/2016 4:18:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bigjb62

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With no gun in the house, nobody can be shot with it.


What's to stop someone from coming into your house with their own gun and using it on you?



Well, if they try that in my house, I have at least a chance of shooting them.
If they try that in your house - why do I suspect the answer is... nothing.




thompsonx -> RE: Suggested reading for all liberals (4/24/2016 4:22:33 PM)


ORIGINAL: bigjb62


What's to stop someone from coming into your house with their own gun and using it on you?


How many times has that happened to you?




thompsonx -> RE: Suggested reading for all liberals (4/24/2016 4:26:22 PM)


ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
ORIGINAL: cloudboy
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Money in politics is "free speech."

...regardless of who is spending that money...

Let us not be disingenuous here...only those with the money spend it.[8|]





Zonie63 -> RE: Suggested reading for all liberals (4/24/2016 4:48:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: bigjb62

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With no gun in the house, nobody can be shot with it.


What's to stop someone from coming into your house with their own gun and using it on you?



Well, if they try that in my house, I have at least a chance of shooting them.
If they try that in your house - why do I suspect the answer is... nothing.


Maybe if you tried to live in peace and harmony with your neighbors, then you wouldn't have to worry about such things. What do you guys do? Live in your own personal fortresses with machine gun turrets all around just in case some pesky kids walk across your lawn? Do you hide behind walls and bars on your window afraid of some boogieman who might try to steal the charcoal from your barbecue grill? How can anyone live this way?




DesideriScuri -> RE: Suggested reading for all liberals (4/24/2016 4:57:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
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ORIGINAL: bigjb62
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With no gun in the house, nobody can be shot with it.

What's to stop someone from coming into your house with their own gun and using it on you?

Well, if they try that in my house, I have at least a chance of shooting them.
If they try that in your house - why do I suspect the answer is... nothing.

Maybe if you tried to live in peace and harmony with your neighbors, then you wouldn't have to worry about such things. What do you guys do? Live in your own personal fortresses with machine gun turrets all around just in case some pesky kids walk across your lawn? Do you hide behind walls and bars on your window afraid of some boogieman who might try to steal the charcoal from your barbecue grill? How can anyone live this way?


Maybe it's not the neighbors, but someone else coming to the nice neighborhoods for unlawful goods acquisition?

Come on, turrets are for the Jehovah's Witnesses, not kids walking across the lawn. Sheesh! [8D]




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