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Nnanji -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/7/2016 4:44:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji It's funny, you mention all the conservatives sitting around having beer reassuring themselves. Yet, what I see is Phydeausx providing actual scientific quotes and liberals all spouting the exact same belief with no attachment to science at all. I think you're projecting there Peon. At this stage it's become rather like presenting scientific evidence of evolution. There's so much of it, one doesn't know where to start. And that was accepted a long time ago. In a fundamental sense the non-deniers have left behind the argument that the deniers are still involved in. It's not to quite to the same degree but, nowadays, the result is similar: I'd no more engage in a 'human-induced climate change or no?' argument than I'd engage in a 'Old Testament or Evolution?' argument - and I think that's a widespread feeling. With evolution they project what ought to be and are frequently right. It's a foundation of science to be able to do that. With climate science, there has not been one correct prediction. Show me a climate computer models I can download and review the assumptions. Show me a climate computer model that includes El Niño events. Show me a climate computer model that accurately models the sun and clouds. Show me a climate projection from twenty years ago that accurately predicted twenty years of no heat increase. Show me a current climate computer model that can show me why the temperature has not risen in twenty years. There ar several places to start Peon. Pick one.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/7/2016 4:45:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Well they were all gloom and doom about the ozone at one time. They said that once those certain types of flourocarbons gets up there they are a catalyst, which means the emerge from the chemical reaction unscathed and will do it again. What happened to that ? What's more, there neer was an ozone layer. It is heavier so it always concentrated over the equator, and it is likely there was never any over the poles. But see the angle of incidence of the sunlight is so oblique up and down there they don't need ozone to protect them. Near the equator, you real DO need ozone up there. They also failed to mention that every time a rocket gets launched it is like releasing about a million pounds of Freon 12. The ozone layer is getting smaller over Antarctica. While this is good for people with exposed skin and eyes down there, it's actually going to contribute to that area getting warmer, as ozone is itself a Greenhouse Gas. So, we bend over backwards to stop releasing CFC's that eat away at the ozone layer, and 30-some years later, it's having a great effect (the life cycle of CFC's in the air is decades, so it's entirely reasonable that it's taken this long), and yet, it's also going to contribute to at least one area of the world getting warmer. I think that demonstrates - and quite well - that we don't really know what impact we're having on the planet.

AtUrCervix -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/7/2016 4:46:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UCdFbyL8y0 Personally, I believe that whatever we emit does affect the environment. The ozone layer used to be depleting and there was all these doom and gloom about it completely disappearing and the Sun will scorch the earth. And we identified the type of products that was killing the ozone layer. And we were educated about it, and more people made efforts not to do use products or do things that will kill our ozone layer and our ozone healed back again to healthy levels. But those who thinks climate change is a hoax, what is the main reason that you think is bogus? I believe we can do better. (And we should). Whether we're causing global climate change.....whether global climate change is part of our (current and....ongoing) history or.....whether....we're all doomed..... Kinda seems immaterial to me. We are at a unique technological place in history. If we don't want the coasts to flood....if we (KNOW) that C02 emissions cause trapped heat..... We can affect that...and at a cost that isn't detrimental to our global GDP. In fact, oddly....thanks to technology....we can affect it for less than the cost of the result! Indeed....profitably so. So.....why are we debating the issue? It isn't an issue to be debated. We can do better....uniquely....technologically. (Why don't we?) And anyone that says "because we shouldn't have to!!!!".....we'll......they're simply.....uhhhmmm.... Stooooopit. At this particular point in time....we can't travel faster than light and....the nearest (possible.....so we think....according to really squinty pictures and heat maps we've obtained to date) place we can move to is...900 quintillion billion, 8 gazillion, 377 kabillion.....light years away (and even if it was just a measly 2 light years away....it's a bit more than a day trip)...so....since this is the ONLY planet we will get....for probably at least 2 - 10,000 years (until we can teleport)...I'm thinking....we should (probably) stop shitting in our back yard....and start wiping our collective global asses (and wash up after)...before we plan on shaking hands with the universe. Yeah?

Nnanji -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/7/2016 4:54:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UCdFbyL8y0 Personally, I believe that whatever we emit does affect the environment. The ozone layer used to be depleting and there was all these doom and gloom about it completely disappearing and the Sun will scorch the earth. And we identified the type of products that was killing the ozone layer. And we were educated about it, and more people made efforts not to do use products or do things that will kill our ozone layer and our ozone healed back again to healthy levels. But those who thinks climate change is a hoax, what is the main reason that you think is bogus? I believe we can do better. (And we should). Whether we're causing global climate change.....whether global climate change is part of our (current and....ongoing) history or.....whether....we're all doomed..... Kinda seems immaterial to me. We are at a unique technological place in history. If we don't want the coasts to flood....if we (KNOW) that C02 emissions cause trapped heat..... We can affect that...and at a cost that isn't detrimental to our global GDP. In fact, oddly....thanks to technology....we can affect it for less than the cost of the result! So.....why are we debating the issue? It isn't an issue to be debated. We can do better....uniquely....technologically. (Why don't we?) And anyone that says "because we shouldn't have to!!!!".....we'll......they're simply.....uhhhmmm.... Stooooopit. Show me one accurate prediction that any catastrophe you mentioned will occur and is a result of what man does? Show me your cost estimate for your cheap solutions? Show me a technology that works better than the technology that feeds this world right now? Show me any evidence that anything you've said above isn't just the koolaide that you were given talking for you.

AtUrCervix -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/7/2016 4:59:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UCdFbyL8y0 Personally, I believe that whatever we emit does affect the environment. The ozone layer used to be depleting and there was all these doom and gloom about it completely disappearing and the Sun will scorch the earth. And we identified the type of products that was killing the ozone layer. And we were educated about it, and more people made efforts not to do use products or do things that will kill our ozone layer and our ozone healed back again to healthy levels. But those who thinks climate change is a hoax, what is the main reason that you think is bogus? I believe we can do better. (And we should). Whether we're causing global climate change.....whether global climate change is part of our (current and....ongoing) history or.....whether....we're all doomed..... Kinda seems immaterial to me. We are at a unique technological place in history. If we don't want the coasts to flood....if we (KNOW) that C02 emissions cause trapped heat..... We can affect that...and at a cost that isn't detrimental to our global GDP. In fact, oddly....thanks to technology....we can affect it for less than the cost of the result! So.....why are we debating the issue? It isn't an issue to be debated. We can do better....uniquely....technologically. (Why don't we?) And anyone that says "because we shouldn't have to!!!!".....we'll......they're simply.....uhhhmmm.... Stooooopit. Show me one accurate prediction that any catastrophe you mentioned will occur and is a result of what man does? Show me your cost estimate for your cheap solutions? Show me a technology that works better than the technology that feeds this world right now? Show me any evidence that anything you've said above isn't just the koolaide that you were given talking for you. I didn't mention (or quote) any catastrophe's. I didn't specify any technology...only that we, uniquely, in this time, are better and more prepared for any possibilities (that exclude polluting our planet). Perhaps you're aware of some impending catastrophe's. If so, maybe you can quote or reference them? (Wanna try again?)

bounty44 -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/7/2016 5:07:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji It's funny, you mention all the conservatives sitting around having beer reassuring themselves. Yet, what I see is Phydeausx providing actual scientific quotes and liberals all spouting the exact same belief with no attachment to science at all. I think you're projecting there Peon. At this stage it's become rather like presenting scientific evidence of evolution. There's so much of it, one doesn't know where to start. And that was accepted a long time ago. In a fundamental sense the non-deniers have left behind the argument that the deniers are still involved in. It's not to quite to the same degree but, nowadays, the result is similar: I'd no more engage in a 'human-induced climate change or no?' argument than I'd engage in a 'Old Testament or Evolution?' argument - and I think that's a widespread feeling. With evolution they project what ought to be and are frequently right. It's a foundation of science to be able to do that. With climate science, there has not been one correct prediction. Show me a climate computer models I can download and review the assumptions. Show me a climate computer model that includes El Niño events. Show me a climate computer model that accurately models the sun and clouds. Show me a climate projection from twenty years ago that accurately predicted twenty years of no heat increase. Show me a current climate computer model that can show me why the temperature has not risen in twenty years. There are several places to start Peon. Pick one. and also peon, perhaps start another thread on the part I boldened above. theres nothing that can be said about "evolution" that can be shown to be factually true and that successfully explains the presence of the myriad of species all arising from primordial soup that's gets struck by lightning (or whatever), natural selection due to advantages conferred by genetic defects, add a few billion years and presto, here we all are. have at it.

AtUrCervix -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/7/2016 5:13:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Well they were all gloom and doom about the ozone at one time. They said that once those certain types of flourocarbons gets up there they are a catalyst, which means the emerge from the chemical reaction unscathed and will do it again. What happened to that ? What's more, there neer was an ozone layer. It is heavier so it always concentrated over the equator, and it is likely there was never any over the poles. But see the angle of incidence of the sunlight is so oblique up and down there they don't need ozone to protect them. Near the equator, you real DO need ozone up there. They also failed to mention that every time a rocket gets launched it is like releasing about a million pounds of Freon 12. The ozone layer is getting smaller over Antarctica. While this is good for people with exposed skin and eyes down there, it's actually going to contribute to that area getting warmer, as ozone is itself a Greenhouse Gas. So, we bend over backwards to stop releasing CFC's that eat away at the ozone layer, and 30-some years later, it's having a great effect (the life cycle of CFC's in the air is decades, so it's entirely reasonable that it's taken this long), and yet, it's also going to contribute to at least one area of the world getting warmer. I think that demonstrates - and quite well - that we don't really know what impact we're having on the planet. Desi.....please stop using logic and rational thought.....you're confusing people.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/7/2016 5:15:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Well they were all gloom and doom about the ozone at one time. They said that once those certain types of flourocarbons gets up there they are a catalyst, which means the emerge from the chemical reaction unscathed and will do it again. What happened to that ? What's more, there neer was an ozone layer. It is heavier so it always concentrated over the equator, and it is likely there was never any over the poles. But see the angle of incidence of the sunlight is so oblique up and down there they don't need ozone to protect them. Near the equator, you real DO need ozone up there. They also failed to mention that every time a rocket gets launched it is like releasing about a million pounds of Freon 12. The ozone layer is getting smaller over Antarctica. While this is good for people with exposed skin and eyes down there, it's actually going to contribute to that area getting warmer, as ozone is itself a Greenhouse Gas. So, we bend over backwards to stop releasing CFC's that eat away at the ozone layer, and 30-some years later, it's having a great effect (the life cycle of CFC's in the air is decades, so it's entirely reasonable that it's taken this long), and yet, it's also going to contribute to at least one area of the world getting warmer. I think that demonstrates - and quite well - that we don't really know what impact we're having on the planet. Desi.....please stop using logic and rational thought.....you're confusing people. I know, I know. It's a character flaw. I admit. [:(]

AtUrCervix -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/7/2016 5:16:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Well they were all gloom and doom about the ozone at one time. They said that once those certain types of flourocarbons gets up there they are a catalyst, which means the emerge from the chemical reaction unscathed and will do it again. What happened to that ? What's more, there neer was an ozone layer. It is heavier so it always concentrated over the equator, and it is likely there was never any over the poles. But see the angle of incidence of the sunlight is so oblique up and down there they don't need ozone to protect them. Near the equator, you real DO need ozone up there. They also failed to mention that every time a rocket gets launched it is like releasing about a million pounds of Freon 12. The ozone layer is getting smaller over Antarctica. While this is good for people with exposed skin and eyes down there, it's actually going to contribute to that area getting warmer, as ozone is itself a Greenhouse Gas. So, we bend over backwards to stop releasing CFC's that eat away at the ozone layer, and 30-some years later, it's having a great effect (the life cycle of CFC's in the air is decades, so it's entirely reasonable that it's taken this long), and yet, it's also going to contribute to at least one area of the world getting warmer. I think that demonstrates - and quite well - that we don't really know what impact we're having on the planet. Desi.....please stop using logic and rational thought.....you're confusing people. I know, I know. It's a character flaw. I admit. [:(] Well.....STOP that shit!!!!

AtUrCervix -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/7/2016 5:18:41 PM)
Here are the ONLY things I know to be true: Big titty wimmens are fluffy. I don't have a big titty wimmens. Them is the only truths I am aware of.

Nnanji -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/7/2016 5:20:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UCdFbyL8y0 Personally, I believe that whatever we emit does affect the environment. The ozone layer used to be depleting and there was all these doom and gloom about it completely disappearing and the Sun will scorch the earth. And we identified the type of products that was killing the ozone layer. And we were educated about it, and more people made efforts not to do use products or do things that will kill our ozone layer and our ozone healed back again to healthy levels. But those who thinks climate change is a hoax, what is the main reason that you think is bogus? I believe we can do better. (And we should). Whether we're causing global climate change.....whether global climate change is part of our (current and....ongoing) history or.....whether....we're all doomed..... Kinda seems immaterial to me. We are at a unique technological place in history. If we don't want the coasts to flood....if we (KNOW) that C02 emissions cause trapped heat..... We can affect that...and at a cost that isn't detrimental to our global GDP. In fact, oddly....thanks to technology....we can affect it for less than the cost of the result! So.....why are we debating the issue? It isn't an issue to be debated. We can do better....uniquely....technologically. (Why don't we?) And anyone that says "because we shouldn't have to!!!!".....we'll......they're simply.....uhhhmmm.... Stooooopit. Show me one accurate prediction that any catastrophe you mentioned will occur and is a result of what man does? Show me your cost estimate for your cheap solutions? Show me a technology that works better than the technology that feeds this world right now? Show me any evidence that anything you've said above isn't just the koolaide that you were given talking for you. I didn't mention (or quote) any catastrophe's. I didn't specify any technology...only that we, uniquely, in this time, are better and more prepared for any possibilities (that exclude polluting our planet). Perhaps you're aware of some impending catastrophe's. If so, maybe you can quote or reference them? (Wanna try again?) If we don't want the coasts to flood....don't you read what you write? You said thanks to technology we can affect "it" for less than the cost of the results. I think you need to try again. Show me the technology and the cost estimates you base your statements on.

Nnanji -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/7/2016 5:33:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji It's funny, you mention all the conservatives sitting around having beer reassuring themselves. Yet, what I see is Phydeausx providing actual scientific quotes and liberals all spouting the exact same belief with no attachment to science at all. I think you're projecting there Peon. At this stage it's become rather like presenting scientific evidence of evolution. There's so much of it, one doesn't know where to start. And that was accepted a long time ago. In a fundamental sense the non-deniers have left behind the argument that the deniers are still involved in. It's not to quite to the same degree but, nowadays, the result is similar: I'd no more engage in a 'human-induced climate change or no?' argument than I'd engage in a 'Old Testament or Evolution?' argument - and I think that's a widespread feeling. With evolution they project what ought to be and are frequently right. It's a foundation of science to be able to do that. With climate science, there has not been one correct prediction. Show me a climate computer models I can download and review the assumptions. Show me a climate computer model that includes El Niño events. Show me a climate computer model that accurately models the sun and clouds. Show me a climate projection from twenty years ago that accurately predicted twenty years of no heat increase. Show me a current climate computer model that can show me why the temperature has not risen in twenty years. There are several places to start Peon. Pick one. and also peon, perhaps start another thread on the part I boldened above. theres nothing that can be said about "evolution" that can be shown to be factually true and that successfully explains the presence of the myriad of species all arising from primordial soup that's gets struck by lightning (or whatever), natural selection due to advantages conferred by genetic defects, add a few billion years and presto, here we all are. have at it. It's a failing of mine that each and every biology teacher I've had, while teaching evolution, was very careful to state that evolution in no way is a science of the creation of life. So, I just don't assume a discussion evolution has anything to do with creation. I tend to forget that lefty non-science types assumes it does.

AtUrCervix -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/7/2016 5:36:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UCdFbyL8y0 Personally, I believe that whatever we emit does affect the environment. The ozone layer used to be depleting and there was all these doom and gloom about it completely disappearing and the Sun will scorch the earth. And we identified the type of products that was killing the ozone layer. And we were educated about it, and more people made efforts not to do use products or do things that will kill our ozone layer and our ozone healed back again to healthy levels. But those who thinks climate change is a hoax, what is the main reason that you think is bogus? I believe we can do better. (And we should). Whether we're causing global climate change.....whether global climate change is part of our (current and....ongoing) history or.....whether....we're all doomed..... Kinda seems immaterial to me. We are at a unique technological place in history. If we don't want the coasts to flood....if we (KNOW) that C02 emissions cause trapped heat..... We can affect that...and at a cost that isn't detrimental to our global GDP. In fact, oddly....thanks to technology....we can affect it for less than the cost of the result! So.....why are we debating the issue? It isn't an issue to be debated. We can do better....uniquely....technologically. (Why don't we?) And anyone that says "because we shouldn't have to!!!!".....we'll......they're simply.....uhhhmmm.... Stooooopit. Show me one accurate prediction that any catastrophe you mentioned will occur and is a result of what man does? Show me your cost estimate for your cheap solutions? Show me a technology that works better than the technology that feeds this world right now? Show me any evidence that anything you've said above isn't just the koolaide that you were given talking for you. I didn't mention (or quote) any catastrophe's. I didn't specify any technology...only that we, uniquely, in this time, are better and more prepared for any possibilities (that exclude polluting our planet). Perhaps you're aware of some impending catastrophe's. If so, maybe you can quote or reference them? (Wanna try again?) If we don't want the coasts to flood....don't you read what you write? You said thanks to technology we can affect "it" for less than the cost of the results. I think you need to try again. Show me the technology and the cost estimates you base your statements on. Well, oddly, I do read what I write (I.....well.....uhhhmmm.....wrote it). Are you suggesting that coastal flooding is a bad thing? Is it? It's happened before...life continued. I never suggested it was bad...only that it's occurring. I didn't actually give any cost estimates (other than to suggest that technology is at a unique place in history...unlike any other in all of history, capable of providing us with resources at reasonable costs). What's "reasonable"? Is it reasonable to anticipate oil staying at 35 bucks a barrel? Is it reasonable to anticipate the wind to continue blowing (fairly consistently) while the Middle East, Venezuela and others consider us pawns....while....the wind laughs at their "power"? Are you a fool? Mentally irregular? Should the coasts flood? Maybe that's the way it should be. I don't actually know. What I do know is....we are creating a larger "dead zone"...every year....deplete of oxygen....in the Gulf of Mexico...where no life can exist, thanks to phosphates. It grows LARGER annually. Is that a good thing? You tell me. I can't imagine it being appropriate....if for no other reason than we are stewards. That is not stewardship.....that's desecration. That today, the fishie harvest in every ocean (of all kinds...by the way....every fishie there is or ever was), as compared to just 50 years ago is down by counts multiple of every possible measure....so much so that we're actually carving out places around the globe (in places that don't even have streams to fill them!!!) to create fishie ponds (I hate fish so......this one is beyond me)...yet whales are dying because....they can't get enough fishies. (Because.....everyone wants more fishies).

Nnanji -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/7/2016 6:08:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 So bounty, you don't believe in climate change? What is the main reason? I believe because, I have a great interest in wines, and vineyards in Europe are getting higher alcohol levels and riper fruits because they are experiencing warmer temperatures. And every year, it gets warmer. Australia is absolutely crazy. They used to be like 12.5% to 13.5% and now, many are like 15% to 16%. Results of global warming too. I see it in wines, because, generally, the level of alcohol is determined by how hot the temperature of the region is, and the fruit that it came from. As if it will result in higher sugar levels, thus higher alcohol content. There is this unusual pattern of alcohol just going up up up. And it's due to warmer and warmer weather every year. Bordeaux is benefiting from this because they are turning from cool climate to some serious hot climate, they grow grapes that benefit from hotter sun. But for already hot climates, I think it's making all their wines excessively jammy. Something is changing. But whether this is cylindrical, and will just pass, or if it will just get so hot until the whole north and south pole melts. I don't know. Or the results of the changing tastes of consumers. http://www.realsimple.com/holidays-entertaining/entertaining/food-drink/alcohol-content-wine

Phydeaux -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/7/2016 6:26:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: What I do take on board is that to call science "settled" before the science can be measured, shown to be repeatable, and completely opn to all inspection is extreme. Whatever. See my last post. Right we get it. You can't argue science so pound the table and say it just is so, like a 4 year old.

Real0ne -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/7/2016 7:19:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne that was yesterdays bs, today we are concerned with another ice age. [8D] Really? So where's the drop in average temperatures that's causing that, then? [image]http://www.docmercury.com/rainy/wp-content/uploads/warming1.jpg[/image]

Greta75 -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/7/2016 10:25:10 PM)
Okay, so basically, now we have several theories. 1) Global Cooling is actually happening, not warming (Although, I seriously don't feel the evidence of this, temperatures have been warmer over all world wide, sea levels are rising that's a fact, caused by melting icebergs) 2) Not denying Global Warming, but believe it's not human caused. (Why would NASA publish lies about man-caused Global warming though?) http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ The few things is, global temperatures been rising. Concentration of CO2 and methane has increased by 38% since 2009, which is consistent with the temperatures rising. It also makes sense that due to increased industrialization and more deforestation, CO2 concentration will definitely increase. I think we need more trees back! More Green! There is a graph here from year 500 to today, showing the crazy spike in recent times. More than it has ever been before. http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/page3.php

WhoreMods -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/8/2016 4:21:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne that was yesterdays bs, today we are concerned with another ice age. [8D] Really? So where's the drop in average temperatures that's causing that, then? [image]http://www.docmercury.com/rainy/wp-content/uploads/warming1.jpg[/image] I hate to have to be the one to tell you this, but that graph shows a steady upwards growth in temperature since 1600. Were you looking at it upside down or something?

MrRodgers -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/8/2016 4:54:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Isn't it supposed to continue expanding for a few billion years first before it begins to contract? If it is then it could prove global warming is a natural occurrence of the sun growing bigger, but I don't remember reading about the expansion part. Actually, the sun remains at a comparatively stable size. To my understanding of the sun, it is sunspot activity that effects earth's magnetism (magnetic field) rather than so much the earth's temperature. Sunspot activity affects the sun's gravitational field which acts to shield earth from cosmic (and other ) radiation. Weakening of the solar field results in greater radiation hitting the earth and earth's atmosphere. Svenmark showed those radiations were uniquely responsible for cloud formation, storm formation and increased temperature. For example, Svenmark et. al 2007. The earth's magnetic field (also weakening) screens most of the equatorial regions. But just like you (should have) learned in elementary school the circular magnetic patterns result in greater radiation at the poles. Guess where the only signs of "global" warming are occuring... Thats right.. at the poles. That in fact reinforces the science that CO2 changes the radiant heat (IR waves) once [it] passes through the atmosphere. A MATHEMATICAL discovery by Perth-based electrical engineer Dr David Evans may change everything about the climate debate, on the eve of the UN climate change conference in Paris next month. A former climate modeller for the Government’s Australian Greenhouse Office, with six degrees in applied mathematics, Dr Evans has unpacked the architecture of the basic climate model which underpins all climate science. He has found that, while the underlying physics of the model is correct, it had been applied incorrectly. He has fixed two errors and the new corrected model finds the climate’s sensitivity to carbon dioxide (CO2) is much lower than was thought. I hope the doctor is correct. And I hope he is correct because the far superior profit motive in burning fossil fuels to that of the 'science' motive will in fact, have us humans burn every fucking gram of earth's fossil fuels into the atmosphere. HERE Plus, earth's magnetic field is changing and could explain heat and drought in the SW US. To wit: The biggest weak spots in the magnetic field — which extends 370,000 miles (600,000 kilometers) above the planet's surface — have sprung up over the Western Hemisphere, while the field has strengthened over areas like the southern Indian Ocean, according to the magnetometers onboard the Swarm satellites — three separate satellites floating in tandem. The scientists who conducted the study are still unsure why the magnetic field is weakening, but one likely reason is that Earth's magnetic poles are getting ready to flip, said Rune Floberghagen, the ESA's Swarm mission manager. In fact, the data suggest magnetic north is moving toward Siberia. "Such a flip is not instantaneous, but would take many hundred if not a few thousand years," Floberghagen told Live Science. "They have happened many times in the past." HERE

thishereboi -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/8/2016 5:07:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri ] I don't see anyone denying that the climate is changing. Some certainly do question whether Man is driving it, though. I agree, but the intent is to make the other side look as bad as possible. If they claim the denier is denying climate change, it will make him look much worse than if they say he doesn't agree with the causes they have come up with. And then they wonder why I doubt what they say is true.

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