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Real male oppression, what does it look like? - 6/2/2016 8:35:40 AM   
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With all the dumb arguments I've read about people denying that white men tend to have an easier life I thought - hey, if I don't at least consider the opposing viewpoint then I am as bigoted, obstinate, ignorant, and stupid as the person I am accusing of being one braincell short of having two braincells. So I did what I always do, I thought about it objectively and really tried to put aside my prejudices.

And I realized, yes, there really IS male oppression in modern society. Some men do suffer merely for being men. But it's not at all in the way that the idiot masculinist movement appear to think. In fact they are huge part of the problem.

The problem is.... well... I've got to be a man!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg9mWpWDKgc

Buy a gun! If someone gives you shit it is your sacred duty as a man to kick the shit out of them! So what if he has a broken beer bottle and is waving it menacingly at you, you don't want people to think you're... well... a pussy... having the female weakness of not wanting your face ripped to pieces by glass.* And don't even think about calling for the cops. If you do a bunch of real men will show up in manly uniforms and make you feel totally inadequate.

Depressed? Don't get help, that would be weak, unmanly.

Feel something weird in your butt? Don't you dare go the doctors and let someone jab a finger up there! You might turn gay!

And so on and so forth I am sure you get the picture.

Men and, more disturbingly, boys who are expected to be tough macho type males are discouraged from seeking any sort of help whether for depression, medical issues, or relationship issues. Bullying too. Modern society still, in some areas, expect boys to stand up for themselves and decides that those who do nothing are in some way deserving of being bullied.

Even in small ways I have noticed this, now I think about it. A woman broken down at the roadside will have people (normally men) pull over to assist her. A man who has broken down will have fewer offers of help. A man is expected to know what to do.

My point - men, particularly men who don't want or simply can't conform to gender stereotypes, are indeed oppressed, by other men. And the oppressors are men who are, at their core, afraid of losing masculinity and the identity of manliness. The real cowards who are terrified of an idea, an idea that being a man doesn't automatically confer strength and power.

What ya'all think?

*Now, typing this post out, I've just realized something. - "Grow some balls, pussy". One of the rhetorical weapons used in the macho culture is to call into question masculinity. To be called a woman is to be insulted. That's really quite sick, when you think about it.
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RE: Real male oppression, what does it look like? - 6/2/2016 9:01:07 AM   
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With all the dumb arguments I've read about people denying that white men tend to have an easier life I thought - hey, if I don't at least consider the opposing viewpoint then I am as bigoted, obstinate, ignorant, and stupid as the person I am accusing of being one braincell short of having two braincells. So I did what I always do, I thought about it objectively and really tried to put aside my prejudices.

And I realized, yes, there really IS male oppression in modern society. Some men do suffer merely for being men. But it's not at all in the way that the idiot masculinist movement appear to think. In fact they are huge part of the problem.

The problem is.... well... I've got to be a man!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg9mWpWDKgc

Buy a gun! If someone gives you shit it is your sacred duty as a man to kick the shit out of them! So what if he has a broken beer bottle and is waving it menacingly at you, you don't want people to think you're... well... a pussy... having the female weakness of not wanting your face ripped to pieces by glass.* And don't even think about calling for the cops. If you do a bunch of real men will show up in manly uniforms and make you feel totally inadequate.

Depressed? Don't get help, that would be weak, unmanly.

Feel something weird in your butt? Don't you dare go the doctors and let someone jab a finger up there! You might turn gay!

And so on and so forth I am sure you get the picture.

Men and, more disturbingly, boys who are expected to be tough macho type males are discouraged from seeking any sort of help whether for depression, medical issues, or relationship issues. Bullying too. Modern society still, in some areas, expect boys to stand up for themselves and decides that those who do nothing are in some way deserving of being bullied.

Even in small ways I have noticed this, now I think about it. A woman broken down at the roadside will have people (normally men) pull over to assist her. A man who has broken down will have fewer offers of help. A man is expected to know what to do.

My point - men, particularly men who don't want or simply can't conform to gender stereotypes, are indeed oppressed, by other men. And the oppressors are men who are, at their core, afraid of losing masculinity and the identity of manliness. The real cowards who are terrified of an idea, an idea that being a man doesn't automatically confer strength and power.

What ya'all think?

*Now, typing this post out, I've just realized something. - "Grow some balls, pussy". One of the rhetorical weapons used in the macho culture is to call into question masculinity. To be called a woman is to be insulted. That's really quite sick, when you think about it.



It hard to follow but I think you is saying that man must be "macho" with gun and not crybaby in today society?
You never saw yesterdays society?

Try to be gay in Kubli Khan campground and see what they do to you.
Try to be crybaby in native american teepee and see what happen to you.

At least in todays cultire you can be Bruce Jenner and be girl and nobody care.
You can marry gay guy and nobody care.
Gay couple can adopt unwanted baby and nobody care.

Youre premese that today society too hard on men is not correct in my humbelest of opiniens.

Today you can turn the other cheak and nobody care.
Today you can dress in bright pink and nobody care.
Today you can get psicholigical help and nobody care.

My opineon is that it is EASIOER today than ever before to be female male.

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RE: Real male oppression, what does it look like? - 6/2/2016 9:01:54 AM   
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My point - men, particularly men who don't want or simply can't conform to gender stereotypes, are indeed oppressed, by other men. And the oppressors are men who are, at their core, afraid of losing masculinity and the identity of manliness. The real cowards who are terrified of an idea, an idea that being a man doesn't automatically confer strength and power.

Yes. Men can be pretty fascist when it comes to policing each others' gender. The permissible amount of behavioural variation from the conventional norms of male gender is far narrower than is the case with women. And the level of punishment can be at times quite vicious - ask any M2F TG if you are in any doubt.

That some men are threatened by other men expanding the limits of acceptable behaviour does reflect their insecurities around their own gender, as you correctly observe. Their defensive reaction is to re-impose 'acceptable' behaviour on those who are at or outside the limits. Unfortunately for the more adventurous (and ultimately for all men), there is no movement among men corresponding to feminism that allows men to challenge and change the gender stereotypes they have inherited. While the MRA offered some interesting possibilities when it first hit the scene, sadly it has regressed into little more than a depressing hotbed of misogyny and bitterness whose only function appears to be indulging in senseless feminist-bashing.

Until men begin to individually and collectively examine, analyse and take apart gender, until they accept that masculinity is no more a natural status than femininity, that the origins of gender lie outside of sexed bodies and in the cultural structures we inherit, then men will have continue to be stuck in roles that can be as restrictive and oppressive as the old norms of femininity were to women.

Women succeeded in challenging the cultural norms of femininity through the women's movement and feminism. What's needed is a corresponding movement and change from the other side of the gender divide.

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RE: Real male oppression, what does it look like? - 6/2/2016 9:06:29 AM   
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What's needed is a corresponding movement and change from the other side of the gender divide.

And that would entail what?

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RE: Real male oppression, what does it look like? - 6/2/2016 9:15:46 AM   
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RE: Real male oppression, what does it look like? - 6/2/2016 9:40:39 AM   
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It hard to follow but I think you is saying that man must be "macho" with gun and not crybaby in today society?
You never saw yesterdays society?

Try to be gay in Kubli Khan campground and see what they do to you.
Try to be crybaby in native american teepee and see what happen to you.

At least in todays cultire you can be Bruce Jenner and be girl and nobody care.
You can marry gay guy and nobody care.
Gay couple can adopt unwanted baby and nobody care.

Youre premese that today society too hard on men is not correct in my humbelest of opiniens.

Today you can turn the other cheak and nobody care.
Today you can dress in bright pink and nobody care.
Today you can get psicholigical help and nobody care.

My opineon is that it is EASIOER today than ever before to be female male.



To some extent you're making my point for me. You can marry a guy and nobdy care. Gay couple can... and nobody care. etc.

Why is it that gay guys can't be strongly masculine? I am not saying in any way there is anything wrong with being "traditionally" male. I am saying there is something wrong with expecting it of others and indeed not permitting it in others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27uKHXRFqMI

Why can't gay guys, or women in fact, be strongly masculine and bad-asses, and proudly so, if it is their individual identity? Because those roles are reserved for heterosexual "real" men. It works in reverse too though. If you aren't typically strongly masculine, and you don't talk like a bad-ass, then you can be ostracised as being weak, unmanly, and even gay or feminine.

Also, I think the "nobody care" bit is stretching things. It would appear that many care, hence the reason so many politicans get away with standing on platforms which appeal to traditional gender roles - most of those politicians trying to project the image of being an alpha male.

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Women succeeded in challenging the cultural norms of femininity through the women's movement and feminism. What's needed is a corresponding movement and change from the other side of the gender divide.


Totally agree with everything you said in your post, but this bit struck me as very pertinent. Whilst feminism is trying to move forward and promote women to be what they want to be, the corresponding masculine movement seems to be intent on enforcing typical gender roles and oppressive to not only women but also to men.

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RE: Real male oppression, what does it look like? - 6/2/2016 10:32:01 AM   
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Possibly the worst thing that has happened to (Western) men, and largely just men, has been their getting packed off to fight in some war or another and getting maimed or killed as a result. That, for me, is the key: what's been behind that happening; the people behind it; the social structures, the culture, that keep reproducing it .... You solve that, you find the answers to why and how men are oppressed, along the way. Or so I tend to assume.



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RE: Real male oppression, what does it look like? - 6/2/2016 1:27:44 PM   
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With all the dumb arguments I've read about people denying that white men tend to have an easier life I thought - hey, if I don't at least consider the opposing viewpoint then I am as bigoted, obstinate, ignorant, and stupid as the person I am accusing of being one braincell short of having two braincells. So I did what I always do, I thought about it objectively and really tried to put aside my prejudices.

And I realized, yes, there really IS male oppression in modern society. Some men do suffer merely for being men. But it's not at all in the way that the idiot masculinist movement appear to think. In fact they are huge part of the problem.

The problem is.... well... I've got to be a man!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg9mWpWDKgc

Buy a gun! If someone gives you shit it is your sacred duty as a man to kick the shit out of them! So what if he has a broken beer bottle and is waving it menacingly at you, you don't want people to think you're... well... a pussy... having the female weakness of not wanting your face ripped to pieces by glass.* And don't even think about calling for the cops. If you do a bunch of real men will show up in manly uniforms and make you feel totally inadequate.

Depressed? Don't get help, that would be weak, unmanly.

Feel something weird in your butt? Don't you dare go the doctors and let someone jab a finger up there! You might turn gay!

And so on and so forth I am sure you get the picture.

Men and, more disturbingly, boys who are expected to be tough macho type males are discouraged from seeking any sort of help whether for depression, medical issues, or relationship issues. Bullying too. Modern society still, in some areas, expect boys to stand up for themselves and decides that those who do nothing are in some way deserving of being bullied.

Even in small ways I have noticed this, now I think about it. A woman broken down at the roadside will have people (normally men) pull over to assist her. A man who has broken down will have fewer offers of help. A man is expected to know what to do.

My point - men, particularly men who don't want or simply can't conform to gender stereotypes, are indeed oppressed, by other men. And the oppressors are men who are, at their core, afraid of losing masculinity and the identity of manliness. The real cowards who are terrified of an idea, an idea that being a man doesn't automatically confer strength and power.

What ya'all think?

*Now, typing this post out, I've just realized something. - "Grow some balls, pussy". One of the rhetorical weapons used in the macho culture is to call into question masculinity. To be called a woman is to be insulted. That's really quite sick, when you think about it.
Well said.

Which brings home the point that intra-gender sexism is ubiquitous. In many cultures, women oppress their own kind without a second thought. Ironically, family matriarchs can act as inciters to keep other women in line, or goad menfolk into preserving tribal *honor*.

In addition, when a woman is assertive and stands her ground - other than getting labeled a bitch - she "has balls."

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RE: Real male oppression, what does it look like? - 6/2/2016 1:54:58 PM   
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My point - men, particularly men who don't want or simply can't conform to gender stereotypes, are indeed oppressed, by other men. And the oppressors are men who are, at their core, afraid of losing masculinity and the identity of manliness. The real cowards who are terrified of an idea, an idea that being a man doesn't automatically confer strength and power.


Yes. Though, I'd tend to be a bit more specific: which group of men, particularly? My sense is that there are males who hold power in society - and these aren't generally terrified of conforming to a gender stereotype. Why should they be, when they've done so well out of it? But, at the same time, they can be perfectly relaxed about not conforming to the stereotype, so long as things 'look right' to the public at large.

Why this need for the 'correct' public appearance? I think because it *could* be much more of a problem if those men who serve them start to lose interest in the array of 'masculine ideals' that have helped those men-at-the-top to get them to where they are, and to keep them there. To take a deliberately lurid example, just for the sake of illustration: it didn't matter to Edward VII that he was a borderline traitor to his country in the run-up to WW2, nor that he played a sub to Wallis Simpson's Domme. But, by god, it mattered a *lot* to those at the top of the British government, who knew damned well what could happen to the 'morale' of Joe Public if this info were to get out at the time.

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RE: Real male oppression, what does it look like? - 6/2/2016 2:39:29 PM   
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Real male oppression, what does it look like?




Most people who complain they're oppressed have no clue what oppression really means.

These guys do.

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RE: Real male oppression, what does it look like? - 6/2/2016 2:53:24 PM   
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I have no doubt at all that Respectmen will be along shortly to show us how feminism was the cause of that, MM.

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RE: Real male oppression, what does it look like? - 6/2/2016 4:21:28 PM   
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I have no doubt at all that Respectmen will be along shortly to show us how feminism was the cause of that, MM.

Just as soon as he finds some other whiny babyman's youtube video that he thinks explains his point but really doesn't.

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RE: Real male oppression, what does it look like? - 6/2/2016 5:59:46 PM   
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Real male oppression, what does it look like?




Most people who complain they're oppressed have no clue what oppression really means.

These guys do.


Umm Tim, didn't the people who oppressed them also oppress females ? A concentration camp photo is not really the best evidence in this case.

I assume you got that from the holocaust industry, or should I download and enhance it to check if they are circumcised ?

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RE: Real male oppression, what does it look like? - 6/2/2016 6:02:53 PM   
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I have no doubt at all that Respectmen will be along shortly to show us how feminism was the cause of that, MM.

Just as soon as he finds some other whiny babyman's youtube video that he thinks explains his point but really doesn't.


Y'know, I can't stand agreeing with you. But the guy is fixated on one cause. Not always wrong really, but too much about it.

But then I could just go back to Usenet where it is even worse.

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RE: Real male oppression, what does it look like? - 6/2/2016 6:29:46 PM   
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Real male oppression, what does it look like?




Most people who complain they're oppressed have no clue what oppression really means.

These guys do.


Umm Tim, didn't the people who oppressed them also oppress females ? A concentration camp photo is not really the best evidence in this case.

I assume you got that from the holocaust industry, or should I download and enhance it to check if they are circumcised ?

T^T

Wrong again. This is a Spanish concentration camp.

I'm pretty sure, incidentally, that not being the only ones oppressed still leaves them oppressed.

It doesn't look like a frat party.

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RE: Real male oppression, what does it look like? - 6/2/2016 7:35:16 PM   
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What ya'all think?

That's just that there nonexistent patriarchy thing.

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RE: Real male oppression, what does it look like? - 6/2/2016 9:57:24 PM   
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With all the dumb arguments I've read about people denying that white men tend to have an easier life
White men have an easier life IN AMERICA, because y'all are some of the most racist motherfuckers I've ever met.

And by easier, what that means is "less likely to be pulled over, frisked and shot by police".

As for the rest - horseshit. White women are the ones who really have it easy. No responsibilities and they get to whine about how oppressed they are. They're living the dream!

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I thought - hey, if I don't at least consider the opposing viewpoint then I am as bigoted, obstinate, ignorant, and stupid as the person I am accusing of being one braincell short of having two braincells. So I did what I always do, I thought about it objectively and really tried to put aside my prejudices.
Part of the problem here is that a lot of people take positions on this based upon what they've been told to believe. From that perspective, there's an inherent irony in someone who can't think for himself attempting to claim the other side is intellectually deficient.

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And I realized, yes, there really IS male oppression in modern society. Some men do suffer merely for being men. But it's not at all in the way that the idiot masculinist movement appear to think. In fact they are huge part of the problem.

The problem is.... well... I've got to be a man!
Oh Christ. I know exactly where you're going with this. You're going to trot out all the "patriarchy hurts men too" nonsense which is feminism's argument for why we shouldn't give a flying fuck about men because white women are out in the world and occasionally one of them will break a nail and THAT shit is important.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg9mWpWDKgc

Buy a gun! If someone gives you shit it is your sacred duty as a man to kick the shit out of them! So what if he has a broken beer bottle and is waving it menacingly at you, you don't want people to think you're... well... a pussy... having the female weakness of not wanting your face ripped to pieces by glass.* And don't even think about calling for the cops. If you do a bunch of real men will show up in manly uniforms and make you feel totally inadequate.
NRA propaganda designed to sell more weapons is irrelevant to male culture.

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Depressed? Don't get help, that would be weak, unmanly.
Yes. And that drive for men to "act like a man" is something that women enforce too. Because strength and self-reliance are survival traits.

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Feel something weird in your butt? Don't you dare go the doctors and let someone jab a finger up there! You might turn gay!

And so on and so forth I am sure you get the picture.
Yes, I'm afraid I do. You're a weak little beta and you'll latch onto any argument which will let you rock yourself to sleep at night. Unfortunately, there's fucking millions of you pussies.

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Men and, more disturbingly, boys who are expected to be tough macho type males are discouraged from seeking any sort of help whether for depression, medical issues, or relationship issues. Bullying too. Modern society still, in some areas, expect boys to stand up for themselves and decides that those who do nothing are in some way deserving of being bullied.
Of course. Because human beings are fundamentally tribal. Men need their brethren to be tough and self-reliant or the tribe fucking dies. Women want the same thing in their mates so she and her offspring have an increased chance of survival.

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Even in small ways I have noticed this, now I think about it. A woman broken down at the roadside will have people (normally men) pull over to assist her. A man who has broken down will have fewer offers of help. A man is expected to know what to do.
Yep. Because women are privileged and get treated as more valuable than men, whereas men are seen as inherently disposable.

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My point - men, particularly men who don't want or simply can't conform to gender stereotypes, are indeed oppressed, by other men. And the oppressors are men who are, at their core, afraid of losing masculinity and the identity of manliness. The real cowards who are terrified of an idea, an idea that being a man doesn't automatically confer strength and power.

What ya'all think?
I think you're weak and need to tell yourself fairy stories in order to try and reinvent your place in the social order.

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*Now, typing this post out, I've just realized something. - "Grow some balls, pussy". One of the rhetorical weapons used in the macho culture is to call into question masculinity. To be called a woman is to be insulted. That's really quite sick, when you think about it.
No, it's really quite simple: For a man, acting like a woman is not aspirational. It is not behaviour which is useful, helpful or advantageous to a man or to the tribe.

Honestly, these whiny fucking arguments have been made a million times by a million weak men. Only the misandrists will agree with you.

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RE: Real male oppression, what does it look like? - 6/2/2016 10:00:27 PM   
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No, he'd simply point out that they're all men.

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RE: Real male oppression, what does it look like? - 6/3/2016 12:13:30 AM   
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Where to start?

Men get taken far less seriously when they are victims of rape or domestic violence.

For example on domestic violence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M0MW6ON484

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks

When men do try to seek help.

95.3% of men felt domestic violence agencies were anti-male...40% reported being accused of perpetrating DV when seeking help at said agencies.

http://wordpress.clarku.edu/dhines/files/2012/01/Douglas-Hines-2011-helpseeking-experiences-of-male-victims.pdf

Women's Clit Cut Off - Sharon Osbourne & The Talk Women Laugh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnXCPcq_RTY

If it was a talk show of men laughing about a woman's vagina or breasts being mutilated, the show would have been taken off of TV.

That said, it's quite common for it to be deemed humorous or deserving in movies or TV shows when men get kicked in the balls or slapped in the face. Switch the genders and it's totally evil.

The empathy gap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKJ8x9ut1hU

In any instance of human suffering, people likely think it should be more so considered when it's a woman who is enduring the suffering compared to a man.

Feminists are massive offenders of this. Not if, the biggest offenders of it.

The empathy gap follows through with government health funding and homelessness.

Criminal sentencing: Do women get off easy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usq-IHT5ARc

Men are discriminated against all the time just for having a penis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO7YF7BfgXk

Education: Boys/men are getting neglected.

Child custody

Reproductive rights

I'm getting lazy with this now.

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RE: Real male oppression, what does it look like? - 6/3/2016 1:58:08 AM   
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No oppression here.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/louisiana-senate-votes-to-ban-abortions-based-on-abnormality/2016/06/02/99c921de-2909-11e6-8329-6104954928d2_story.html
Louisiana Senate votes to ban abortions based on abnormality
By Melinda Deslatte | AP June 2 at 5:36 PM
BATON ROUGE, La. — Senators agreed Thursday to a proposal aimed at prohibiting abortions performed because the fetus has a genetic abnormality, rejecting concerns such a ban would lead Louisiana to a court battle it cannot win.

Republican Sen. Dan Claitor usually votes for bills adding new restrictions on abortion. But the Baton Rouge lawyer said he couldn’t vote for the proposal, saying it clearly runs afoul of court decisions upholding a woman’s right to an abortion.

“Why would you put me in a box to make a choice between supporting my oath to uphold the constitution ... and being pro-life?” Claitor said. “The bill as written, in my view, is patently unconstitutional.”

Claitor tried to water down the bill to instead provide information to pregnant women about available services for infants born with disabilities, to discourage abortion based on genetic abnormalities. But his amendment was rejected in an 18-18 vote.

Rep. Regina Barrow, D-Baton Rouge, objected to Claitor’s attempt to rewrite the bill.

“Every bill we pass can be challenged. But this bill right here protects the life of unborn children,” she said.

North Dakota and Indiana have enacted similar laws.

Sen. Karen Carter Peterson, D-New Orleans, said the outright ban violates the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v. Wade decision.

“There have been attempts at every angle to cut away at the right,” said Peterson, one of a small number of senators who support abortion rights. “You all want to ignore federal law.”

She raised cost concerns about another court dispute over abortion in a state struggling with budget problems.

“We don’t have extra money, FYI, to spend on legal fees,” Peterson said.

After rejecting Claitor’s amendment, the Senate approved the bill on a 29-6 vote. The Senate added an exception for abortions performed to save the life of the mother.

The proposal heads back to the House for consideration of that and other Senate changes.

The bill would penalize the doctor who violates the ban, not the woman. If convicted, a doctor could be sentenced to up to two years in prison and could face malpractice claims and a wrongful death lawsuit.


Senate passage came after abortion rights groups held a rally near the Governor’s Mansion to oppose a package of abortion restriction bills that have received passage from lawmakers.

Gov. John Bel Edwards has signed a ban on the second-trimester abortion procedure called dilation and evacuation, a bill that will force women to wait 72 hours before getting an abortion and a measure that will toughen the criteria for doctors who perform abortions.

On Thursday, the Democratic governor also signed legislation to block Medicaid financing for entities that perform abortions in Louisiana, aimed at discouraging Planned Parenthood from offering abortions at its New Orleans clinic.

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