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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 8/28/2016 3:10:46 PM

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The benefits, even for a single person, is more than adequate for food and basic clothing when there are no other expenses to take into consideration.

Because mooching off the system when an able bodied person deliberately refuses to get a job is what being a Master/Dominant is all about.

I grew up in Belgium, where the same systems are in place. If I'd take a domestic live in there, and deliberately made the choice for her to not work, there is no way in hell I'd permit her to get unemployment or disability benefits instead.

Such abuses of the system disgust me, and are an insult to the people who really need them.

If you or a partner decide to not get a job when you are able to do so, you damn well make sure that you cover the expenses for doing so out of your own pocket, instead unethically milking the system dry instead.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 8/29/2016 6:25:18 AM

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Such an enlightened and virtuous soul. Shows us the way, oh righteous one. Cast your noble light of knowledge upon us.

And maybe we should push this further, every able bodied person over the age of 18, should be lined up to be inspected by government agents and send to the fields if they were unable to find something by now. Laziness, house work and self study at home will not be tolerated.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 8/29/2016 6:59:22 AM

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Such an enlightened and virtuous soul. Shows us the way, oh righteous one. Cast your noble light of knowledge upon us.

And maybe we should push this further, every able bodied person over the age of 18, should be lined up to be inspected by government agents and send to the fields if they were unable to find something by now. Laziness, house work and self study at home will not be tolerated.

Where did I say that house work or self study wouldn't be tolerated?

What isn't tolerable is somebody choosing to stay home, yet mooching off benefits intended for people looking for work.

If you want to stay home, stay home... (hell I'm a freaking housewife, so it's not like I've got an issue with people doing that). But if you make that choice, you need to deal with the consequences of making that choice, IE you need to have a way to support yourself in your choice to stay home.

State benefits aren't for that. They're not intended to fund an indefinite "I don't want to get a job" attitude. They're intended to tie people who are in between jobs over while they look for work.

If you cannot afford to stay home on your own dime... well I'm sorry... that kinda sucks for you, but it doesn't make the rest of society responsible for funding your desired lifestyle.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 8/29/2016 7:11:42 AM

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There are soo few half-decent jobs here (despite what the government say) that pay a livable wage is deplorable.

Many are stay-at-home because of lack of opportunity rather than choice.
And as you say, stay at home isn't such a big deal.
Choosing to be at home because you don't want to work is vastly different from being at home because of lack of work opportunities.
And our slave would be fully utilised so there wouldn't be any time for a job unless they could work from home - and those jobs are rarer than chicken teeth!

If a slave chooses to be a stay at home for valid reasons, I don't see that as being a sponger or mooching off the state.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 8/29/2016 7:17:17 AM

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Where did I say that house work or self study wouldn't be tolerated?

I never said you did. I said that, and I also said "maybe we should push this further" , but then again, maybe housewives who do "house work, study at home" or have other special reasons, should be given a pass. But what do I know ? she would need no benefits with me. As I implied in my previous post.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 9/19/2016 2:40:38 AM

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You're right. We face this problem with our slave(s), too. The fact that other countries have national healthcare and solid social welfare programs for retirement is HUGE when it comes to a slave being able to *be* a full-time slave.

We can easily afford the room and board for a slave, and even clothing and other sundry items for them. But $800 a month for their health coverage and another $1,000 a month for (meager) retirement savings is beyond us. Our slave has to have his own job to pay for those things, even if it's *only* to pay for those things. And a minimum wage job won't cut it, either. He needs to make at least half-again the minimum wage, just to pay for those two things, even if we pay for everything else. It's really frustrating.

I know that some people in the U.S. like to fantasize that decent social welfare programs only serve to enable lazy people to stay home and watch game shows while eating caviar and sipping champagne all day long, but those are simply self-indulgent fantasies. Our social welfare programs don't provide even a fraction of a living wage, let alone a luxurious one.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/1/2016 12:09:17 PM

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While I understand the question gives two chooses and a lot of focus is on money, there is a difference between being stay st home doing nothing but house stuff and staying at home and having a plethora of interests she does thought out the day.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/1/2016 1:28:07 PM

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In all actuality, I'm all for anyone on public assistance for any reason being made to perform community service for that assistance. something tells me if they were required to do this - suddenly they would find a job they claim the couldn't find.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/1/2016 1:33:08 PM

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In all actuality, I'm all for anyone on public assistance for any reason being made to perform community service for that assistance. something tells me if they were required to do this - suddenly they would find a job they claim the couldn't find.

The State of Maine started requiring those that were on Food Stamps to work, train, or volunteer. They went from 16,000 people on food stamps, dropped thousands that refused - but it has had a positive impact from those that complied.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2016/05/19/new-report-proves-maines-welfare-reforms-are-working/#147f7ae6a4c7

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/1/2016 1:39:26 PM

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That's great. It's a start. Imagine if they could also get those with kids doing the same thing. Thanks for sharing.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/1/2016 4:42:23 PM

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In all actuality, I'm all for anyone on public assistance for any reason being made to perform community service for that assistance. something tells me if they were required to do this - suddenly they would find a job they claim the couldn't find.

Don't forget that there are some folks who are disabled and cannot do community service, or work for that matter. My one friend is on assistance and has a pending disability case. Not snarking at you, just making a statement that there are some folks that can't do it.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/1/2016 5:01:11 PM

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no I didn't forget that but in the end, all people are capable of helping in the community. It only means they are given something they can do. Perhaps instead of seeing your friend as an invalid because of his disability or issues, instead look at him as a person capable of contributing in some way. Perhaps many people with disability feel they can't contribute even in a small way, because they will lose their assistance. It's time this country stops making people feel incapable because the country provides assistance and has some expectation of people the government supports. Give people something to be proud of.

I stand by my statement of everyone be expected to do community service or as that article suggests volunteer, etc.

The problem is many times people like you because when people speak of solutions - you pop up making excuses for people. So no change is made because excuses are made. Just because your friend can't work in a working environment, doesn't mean his incapable of everything in his life. I am sure even disabled he has strengths to help someone who may be in worse shape than he is.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/1/2016 5:43:32 PM

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I love it when people make general statements about issues. If you made my daughter with generalized anxiety, major depression and psychosis interact with people, or even expect her to adhere to a schedule you would have to accept the fact that she is going to destabilize.

Yep, she is on disability and food stamps, and believe me, she doesn't live high on the hog. Or even low on the hog. In fact, if she didn't have her father and me she would probably be living under a bridge.

She has major strengths, but the problem is from day- to- day her mental status can change and most places want a commitment of specific days and times.

But you are right - I'm making excuses for her, and just because her psychologist and her psychiatrist think she shouldn't be working/volunteering, just means they don't know what they are talking about.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/1/2016 5:58:26 PM

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no I didn't forget that but in the end, all people are capable of helping in the community. It only means they are given something they can do. Perhaps instead of seeing your friend as an invalid because of his disability or issues, instead look at him as a person capable of contributing in some way. Perhaps many people with disability feel they can't contribute even in a small way, because they will lose their assistance. It's time this country stops making people feel incapable because the country provides assistance and has some expectation of people the government supports. Give people something to be proud of.

I stand by my statement of everyone be expected to do community service or as that article suggests volunteer, etc.

The problem is many times people like you because when people speak of solutions - you pop up making excuses for people. So no change is made because excuses are made. Just because your friend can't work in a working environment, doesn't mean his incapable of everything in his life. I am sure even disabled he has strengths to help someone who may be in worse shape than he is.

Sadly, I could not read the Forbes article because of my ongoing feud with their objection of me using an adblocker.

I do not view my friend as an invalid, I see him. He happens to have hemophilia, and can get spontaneous bleeds in his joints at any time. Since the bleeds are random and have caused degenerative joint problems, he cannot sit, stand, crouch, for very long at all. He also suffers from mental illness. Believe me, I have tried to figure out something that he can do as far as a volunteer position, and since he has no transportation, and shouldn't be driving even if he did, he is severely limited in what he could do. Would he do it? Certainly... but since the bleeds are random and happen 3-4 times a month, and can lay him up for a few days, and if he had a certain amount of time required to fulfill what the State would ask him to do, then no, he could not.

I am not making excuses at all. I am telling you that there are some people on assistance that cannot contribute like you are suggesting. These kinds of people are a very small percentage of those on assistance. In fact, a good deal of folks on assistance actually work. The facts and figures are readily available.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/1/2016 7:24:18 PM

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/1/2016 7:48:46 PM

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Gauge, I don't agree with you. It's that simple. You are making excuses.
As I said you are part of the problem because you make excuses. Unless your friend is an invalid then I would see your point. Your friend may be hindered physically doesn't mean he's hindered mentally.

Perhaps instead of saying what he can't do- look at what he can do. You may get the idea then instead of making excuses as to why it won't work at all.

Again you are part of the problem.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/1/2016 7:59:23 PM

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Laughs omfg, kiwi you aren't reading what I said, but having a very limited scope of what people could do to help their community Did you REMOTELY read what I said - what they could do!!!!!!!!!!! Good Christ, maybe instead of freaking out because you presume your daughter can't do anything to help her community and up playing her issues instead of seeing perhaps what she could do with her stregnths- you may not be so negative. This is what I speak about- people automatically say NO WAY. But they sure the hell don't say no way to assistance.

It's like gimme assistance but don't you dare think to ask me for anything because blah blah blah. I'm not making light of anyone's issues, I'm saying people are capable of contributing to the society they are so eager to take from. All I am saying is where there's a will there's a way. Everyone has strengths that can help our society, and finding out what that is if you accept aid, should not be automatically denied or refused. I didn't remotely state WHAT people should do, I simply said they should do community service and TWO people have stomped their feet automatically claiming no- so and so can't. That's the issue this county has.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/1/2016 11:55:35 PM

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Gauge, I don't agree with you. It's that simple. You are making excuses.
As I said you are part of the problem because you make excuses. Unless your friend is an invalid then I would see your point. Your friend may be hindered physically doesn't mean he's hindered mentally.

Perhaps instead of saying what he can't do- look at what he can do. You may get the idea then instead of making excuses as to why it won't work at all.

Again you are part of the problem.

OK genius, tell me how the government would accommodate him to do what might be required. Tell me how he can fulfill something that he cannot do. He can do a lot of things, for fuck sake he is a bright person, he is a great writer and can express a lot of shit. Please tell me how the fuck that applies to community service and how it applies to getting him off of assistance. He would need transportation. He would have to be allowed to have bleeds and take the time to get back to what was required of him. I am sure, if we sifted through a myriad of bureaucratic bullshit we could find that he could sort toothpicks with his tongue. Where the fuck is the dignity in that? He is not reliable in any sense of the word simply because his bleeds are random.

No, you need the reality check. Also... welcome to my ignore dungeon. There are a scant few that have qualified for it... pat yourself on the back that you are now one of them.

I am not part of the problem, I actually know what the problem is when people do not understand that they want to make less than 2% of the people on assistance their focus. Your arrogance is the problem. Good day to you.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/2/2016 12:14:57 AM

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I am not going to edit my previous post, I will write this here and now.

The problem happens when people forget that there are a few desperate and unfortunate folks that are dealt a shitty hand in life. To say that they can spin it into roses is bullshit. Those in this country that cannot fend for themselves are not the problem. You want to make those do something that can or could make a choice, fine, do that. Have at it. Do not sit there and fucking arrogantly tell me that they all can do something if they want to. Well guess what, I could get over my mental illness if I just tried harder or if I got my ass kicked. But I will tell you here and now that if it was that fucking easy, I would have done it already.... my problems solved, I would go back to what I thought I should do for society.

No, fuck you. You live in a fucking bubble, and don't understand what I have seen or been through.

Want to persecute me for being the problem? I was homeless, I was on welfare, I am obviously bright, that I know, but I went through a lot of shit that you will never know... nor would I hope you experience, and I was one of the pathetic fucks you want to make do something that, at that time, I could not do. I do it now, many many years later, because I have a fucking heart. I support my friend financially, and I frankly cannot afford to do it, but I do what I can.

You sit there, telling me that I am the problem? No, you have that very wrong. I am the very representation of the problem, and I am the solution. I have compassion for those that I have seen, and understand they could do something if they could.

One last thing. Fuck you.

To the moderators... ban me. I don't care. I really don't.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/2/2016 12:54:36 AM

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*applauds Gauge* Wonderfully said.

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