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RE: How to join the Gorean community. - 9/22/2016 8:49:53 AM

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The best way is to find an offline Gorean group in your area. While there are a few Goreans in the Seattle area, the actual groups with activity are in Vancouver or Victoria. The people I know of doing any training of kajira are either in Victoria or Vancouver as well. I know a slave on FL who does much of the training and knows the others who do.

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Malkinius... I thought your whole argument, at one time anyway, was that being Gorean had nothing to do with the ownership of slaves?

What changed?

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RE: How to join the Gorean community. - 9/23/2016 10:51:38 AM

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When they brand, do they put oil on the skin first so that the brand doesn't stick and remove skin?

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RE: How to join the Gorean community. - 9/23/2016 11:21:24 PM

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Live2Learn.....

No, they never mention that in the books. This is the first I have heard of someone doing that. The point is for the brand to last a very long lifetime.

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RE: How to join the Gorean community. - 12/10/2016 5:09:45 AM

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I have a kef on my thigh, read the books twice now. Have slave dresses, bells, and been called a rare, hot pleasure slave more than once. Problem is, i can not find a strict Gorean Master that I think is a true Gorean Master. One that I am attracted to. Most say they are, but they have been lazy and let themselves go. Goreans are not lazy, the Master takes care of his property and himself.

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RE: How to join the Gorean community. - 12/10/2016 6:47:13 AM

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So, basically, you're looking for something like this . . .

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RE: How to join the Gorean community. - 12/10/2016 8:56:28 AM

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Shoot, MM. Even I can appreciate that.

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When they brand, do they put oil on the skin first so that the brand doesn't stick and remove skin?

My apologies for intruding. Not Gorean. Just the regular BDSM/Leather type.

From what I understand, brands of this type are (generally) heat strike brands. This means oil is a bad idea if you want the brand to look "clean".

Oils, pretty much all oils, have the purpose of conducting heat. Oil the skin around the brand, and you are going to 'damage' the skin around the brand, which is the purpose of a brand in the first place. That's all a brand is. Damage to the layers of skin on a cellular level. Applying oil means that your brand will 'spread'. The heat will conduct to the outer area.

If your 'hot strike' brand is "pulling away" several layers of skin, frankly, your sh^t is too hot. Putting a brand on a human is not the same as branding cattle. Why? Basically because our "hides" are not the same as cows. Pretty much the same premise as there are different kinds of leather that are produced from various hides. My skin isn't the same as the 'skin' of a cow, and a cow isn't the same as a kangaroo or a snake. All of these 'hides' are different, requiring different temperatures to make the mark you want *without* destroying the muscular tissue.

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RE: How to join the Gorean community. - 12/10/2016 9:22:06 AM

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I have a kef on my thigh, read the books twice now. Have slave dresses, bells, and been called a rare, hot pleasure slave more than once. Problem is, i can not find a strict Gorean Master that I think is a true Gorean Master. One that I am attracted to. Most say they are, but they have been lazy and let themselves go. Goreans are not lazy, the Master takes care of his property and himself.

So basically you've read the books (twice), and have decided that only half the characters in it are 'real Goreans' while the other half are... fake Goreans?

And you've also manage to read the books (twice) and somehow managed to miss the fact that Gorean Free do not tolerate kajirae proclaiming judgment about what a Free Man should or shouldn't be. Doing so is a grievous enough offense even strangers take the time to discipline kajirae who err on this matter.

But then again, it's clear from your single post and profile, that you've missed just about anything the books are about such as the fact that Goreans like natural women not fake bleached over processed hair, and that kajirae don't own anything and so your dresses and bells are a moot point when it comes to finding an owner, and the fact that Goreans don't necessarily take care of their property and might well use it as a mill girl or urt bait, or that Goreans don't 'earn' slavery but take it if it pleases them, or that Goreans don't allow kajirae to negotiate their collar 'If I'm going to be your slave, you need to treat me like x, and you need to be y, and you can never do z'.

Maybe you haven't found a 'true' Gorean Master, because Goreans tend to not put up with that type of crap from a slave, and have no interest in you.

If I was a man, I wouldn't own something like yourself with a mill or a laundry facility handy to put you to work in until your attitude improves, and unfortunately such is rather impractical in this day and age, which makes the likelihood you'll find a Gorean who'd take you rather slim.

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RE: How to join the Gorean community. - 12/10/2016 9:25:00 AM

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I have a kef on my thigh, read the books twice now. Have slave dresses, bells, and been called a rare, hot pleasure slave more than once. Problem is, i can not find a strict Gorean Master that I think is a true Gorean Master. One that I am attracted to. Most say they are, but they have been lazy and let themselves go. Goreans are not lazy, the Master takes care of his property and himself.

You're 54 years old. None of the hot pleasure slaves were that old in the books. Didn't that stuff they gave you to keep you eternally young work?

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RE: How to join the Gorean community. - 12/10/2016 9:45:00 AM

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I have a kef on my thigh, read the books twice now. Have slave dresses, bells, and been called a rare, hot pleasure slave more than once. Problem is, i can not find a strict Gorean Master that I think is a true Gorean Master. One that I am attracted to. Most say they are, but they have been lazy and let themselves go. Goreans are not lazy, the Master takes care of his property and himself.

You're 54 years old. None of the hot pleasure slaves were that old in the books. Didn't that stuff they gave you to keep you eternally young work?

Technically a lot of them were that old, seeing age depends on how many years have passed since birth. It just was a matter of them being stabilized in their early 20s and so looking like a 20 year old even at 50.
There's also one book dealing with a 60 year old (I think, something there about at least) being reversed in age, and brought back to 18 in looks, and stabilized there.

So statistically speaking, lots of kajirae would have been 50+.

The problem as far as her being a kajira goes isn't her age, it's her attitude, and the fact that she doesn't look attractive, she looks over processed, with her hair totally ruined and dry by bleaching and curling, wearing too much bad make up which accentuates the circles under her eyes, and a fake pose for the camera pulling her eyes more widely open than she naturally does in an attempt to hide the wrinkles around her eyes.

A woman her age can be very attractive, but not when she attempts to look like a 20 year old Barbie doll. Attractive women her age look like mature attractive women. Trying to look like a 20 year old when you've 50 just makes you look silly and pitiful instead of attractive.

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RE: How to join the Gorean community. - 12/10/2016 10:14:45 AM

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I have a kef on my thigh, read the books twice now. Have slave dresses, bells, and been called a rare, hot pleasure slave more than once. Problem is, i can not find a strict Gorean Master that I think is a true Gorean Master. One that I am attracted to. Most say they are, but they have been lazy and let themselves go. Goreans are not lazy, the Master takes care of his property and himself.

You're 54 years old. None of the hot pleasure slaves were that old in the books. Didn't that stuff they gave you to keep you eternally young work?

Technically a lot of them were that old, seeing age depends on how many years have passed since birth. It just was a matter of them being stabilized in their early 20s and so looking like a 20 year old even at 50.
There's also one book dealing with a 60 year old (I think, something there about at least) being reversed in age, and brought back to 18 in looks, and stabilized there.

So statistically speaking, lots of kajirae would have been 50+.

The problem as far as her being a kajira goes isn't her age, it's her attitude, and the fact that she doesn't look attractive, she looks over processed, with her hair totally ruined and dry by bleaching and curling, wearing too much bad make up which accentuates the circles under her eyes, and a fake pose for the camera pulling her eyes more widely open than she naturally does in an attempt to hide the wrinkles around her eyes.

A woman her age can be very attractive, but not when she attempts to look like a 20 year old Barbie doll. Attractive women her age look like mature attractive women. Trying to look like a 20 year old when you've 50 just makes you look silly and pitiful instead of attractive.

Yes i agree... not that that matters. A little vitamin E oil on the face does wonders and yoga and walking help too. Along with eating healthy and staying hydrated.

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RE: How to join the Gorean community. - 12/16/2016 12:27:46 AM

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I am very interested in the gorean lifestyle.

I live in the north east.

Any masters out there?
Sorry I can't seem to cancel and have hijacked another's thread.
I put this on another thread
Apologies to Lilybud

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master in north east - 12/16/2016 12:34:44 AM

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hello
I am looking for a Master in the North East of England.

I think I need protection and guidance but am eager to find one who is respectful and honourable
Anyone out there?

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RE: How to join the Gorean community. - 12/16/2016 12:41:49 AM

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Bhruic....

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The best way is to find an offline Gorean group in your area. While there are a few Goreans in the Seattle area, the actual groups with activity are in Vancouver or Victoria. The people I know of doing any training of kajira are either in Victoria or Vancouver as well. I know a slave on FL who does much of the training and knows the others who do.

Malkinius of Chicago

Malkinius... I thought your whole argument, at one time anyway, was that being Gorean had nothing to do with the ownership of slaves?

What changed?

I am sorry I missed answering this. Nothing has changed. Being Gorean has nothing to do with owning slaves. However, some Goreans do own slaves and/or train them. After all, the Caste of Slavers in the books did a lot of training of most of the slaves, and especially those brought from Earth, and pretty much all of the best ones. If you are going to own a slave, why not have them trained to be one and trained to be one as you wish them. (That is two different but connected things.)

Most consensual slaves are not trained except in whatever their Master wants them to do. There is no continuity or connection between one slave and the next. Goreans are an exception to that because we generally have specific expectations and requirements of slaves and their knowledge and behavior from the books that we use and enforce. This means there are more similarities between one kajira and the next than there is between the average BDSM slave and the next. There is a similar continuity within the Leather culture. Leather and Goreans are the two recognizable groups which have shared and ongoing traditions so that a slave who has learned the basics from one Master will have the basics for the next Master. That is not very true among the much more numerous BDSM types. Obedience to the Master is about the only shared trait that I have seen them admit to and even then, not completely.

Or, you could say, if you are going to do it, you should do it right.

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RE: How to join the Gorean community. - 12/16/2016 12:55:59 AM

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Isabella.....

There are many honorable men out there, some of whom are Gorean. The problem is first finding them and second finding one who wants a slave and whom doesn't already have as many slaves as they want. When it comes to England, I have no clue.

I will say that the usual warnings do apply even among those who claim to be Gorean. First, if they are obviously hiding important things about themselves and won't divulge about as much about themselves as they require of you then cross them off. Second training a Goreans slave is about obedience and service, not about how much pain you can take or what humiliating things you can do or what kinky types of sex you want to be a part of. Third is if they claim things, verify as much of it as you can. The more you can verify about what they claim without getting it directly from them, the better. Fourth is that if you read the books yourself you will know when the other person has not and if they have not...they are not someone who really is Gorean, only a pretender. Fifth, if they can provide current and/or past slaves as references, contact them. If they can't but claim great experience, it isn't really there. Not everyone can provide a contact to everyone they have ever worked with but the more the better. Sixth, online only or online on a role playing site is a no if you want reality. Last....trust your instincts and if someone sounds too good to be true...is too perfect for everything you are looking for the moment you express it, they are a fake unless you just happen to have found the perfect match. More people who claim to be Gorean will be fake than the real ones as there are more fakes out there than real people. I wish it wasn't so, but it is. I can answer questions for you but that is as much as I can or do for most people.

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RE: How to join the Gorean community. - 12/18/2016 5:42:40 AM

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Thank you
That was very helpful
I hope this is in response to the reply , this site is confusing
I have had my fingers burnt before

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RE: How to join the Gorean community. - 12/18/2016 2:31:55 PM

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Isabella.....

There are many honorable men out there, some of whom are Gorean. The problem is first finding them and second finding one who wants a slave and whom doesn't already have as many slaves as they want. When it comes to England, I have no clue.

I will say that the usual warnings do apply even among those who claim to be Gorean. First, if they are obviously hiding important things about themselves and won't divulge about as much about themselves as they require of you then cross them off. Second training a Goreans slave is about obedience and service, not about how much pain you can take or what humiliating things you can do or what kinky types of sex you want to be a part of. Third is if they claim things, verify as much of it as you can. The more you can verify about what they claim without getting it directly from them, the better. Fourth is that if you read the books yourself you will know when the other person has not and if they have not...they are not someone who really is Gorean, only a pretender. Fifth, if they can provide current and/or past slaves as references, contact them. If they can't but claim great experience, it isn't really there. Not everyone can provide a contact to everyone they have ever worked with but the more the better. Sixth, online only or online on a role playing site is a no if you want reality. Last....trust your instincts and if someone sounds too good to be true...is too perfect for everything you are looking for the moment you express it, they are a fake unless you just happen to have found the perfect match. More people who claim to be Gorean will be fake than the real ones as there are more fakes out there than real people. I wish it wasn't so, but it is. I can answer questions for you but that is as much as I can or do for most people.

Be well....

Malkinius of Chicago

My suggestion from real- world experience... don't waste your time looking for a 'Gorean'... real or otherwise. Just look for 'The One'... you'll know when you find him and it won't matter to you whether he is Gorean... or anything else for that matter.

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RE: How to join the Gorean community. - 12/18/2016 9:40:24 PM

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Other than that, read and keep reading the bible. That will help you tell the fakes from the people who really live this. That means reading all of them, preferably in order. You will learn and understand more that way than just reading the "new testament" which most Christians usually recommend, if they say to read the books at all, to keep you from understanding the rest of what it can mean to be Christian.

Sorry, I find this advice hilarious!

If I paraphrase it to the above.

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RE: How to join the Gorean community. - 12/19/2016 3:44:45 AM

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tamaka....

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My suggestion from real- world experience... don't waste your time looking for a 'Gorean'... real or otherwise. Just look for 'The One'... you'll know when you find him and it won't matter to you whether he is Gorean... or anything else for that matter.

Not everyone is looking for their "one". If someone is looking for something specific telling them to take whomever turns them on is not good advice for them. It just shows your bias and wun twue wayism. If all she is looking for is future husband material, you may be right. If she is looking to be more than a kinky wife with a title then she needs to seek that which she is looking for. Just because someone is not looking for what you want or even have does not make your way right and their way wrong.

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RE: How to join the Gorean community. - 12/19/2016 3:50:41 AM

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Greta....

Substituting one name or term or terms for others can produce some amusing results. Take the Christmas song, Santa Claus Is Coming To Town and change every mention of Santa Claus to Torkamada. The song still works incredibly well and is much funnier but certainly not the original writer's intention. Or if you want to have fun with people in current US political circles just change any Trump reference to Clinton, Republican to Democrat and he to she, etc. and watch the fun when the left side hears it or Clinton to Trump and the right side hears it. This is actually a good way to see if how you are saying would sound if someone on the other side of whatever would say it to you. How do you respond if someone else said your words reversed to you? If you don't like it maybe you shouldn't say it to them.

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RE: How to join the Gorean community. - 12/19/2016 4:52:21 AM

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But my paraphrasing isn't so far apart, because Goreans do treat the Gor books as their bible, and Gorean is almost like a form of religion, on how to follow it properly.
And Slavery is legal in the old testament. There were instructions on how to treat slaves, just like in Gor, there are clear instructions on how to treat slaves.
So, it's not like ya at opposite ends of opinions.

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