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Spamming other slaves in the area to check the Domworth... - 7/22/2006 5:29:00 PM   
TiberiusGrant


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Status: offline 		I've seen at least one instance where asking slaves in a region for their opinions of a Dom has been used to check Domworthiness (through the use of a spamming message such as 'what do you think of this person?' sent to the subs). I don't agree with this as a practice, however it has apparently worked well to uncover at least one seriously unworthy Dom.

What I'd like to open for discussion is any ideas that people have for extensions to this website that might help to uncover bad practices, bad Doms (or indeed - bad slaves).

A few that I've thought of include:
* 5 positive ratings and 5 negative ratings that can be given out per week (non-cumulative) - this would appear near a Dom or slaves profile, so if two subs rated a Dom negatively (one point each), then that Dom would receive a -2 rating. The only thing that would raise the rating would be other subs rating the Dom positively.
* A simple rating system - similar to a poll - that would appear as a button to the left. New polls in a region would appear as new messages, and could be ignored or responded to with a +5 to -5 number.

Any thoughts would be much appreciated - it's a tricky balancing act between privacy and the protection of subs.

~Tiberius~

PS: I've just noticed a little vanilla icecream... if someone can tell Me how I get rid of that I'd appreciate it (yes, I'm a n00b to the forums).

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RE: Spamming other slaves in the area to check the Domw... - 7/22/2006 6:15:20 PM   
FelinePersuasion


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Status: offline 		Black lists and what you propose are against the sites TOS's and will never happen. once a month some newbie comes in suggesting these and once a month the idea's are all shot down as impractical.

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RE: Spamming other slaves in the area to check the Domw... - 7/22/2006 7:38:35 PM   
LordDalton


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Status: offline 		This old chestnut once again!. It is often difficult in my opinion to make a definitive response to things such as this. Obviously, everyone wants the submissives to be safe and they should be canny enough to put into place such measures to ensure that safety. From experience, some 7-8 years ago, I was sessioning with a submissive, with her mobile telephone ringing every 30 minutes!!, but at least she could assure her caller all was going well (it didnt, as you can understand, from my point of view). I have also received requests from others, as to my knowledge of other Doms, which, initially, I chose to ignore (to my detriment I now know). As the number of wannabe's increases, so the amount of caution needed by both sides needs to increase. From a personal point of view, I would welcome people asking about me, however, having only just returned to this site, it would do them no good at this stage. In closing, I would only add that IF the reasons behind the spamming were honourable, and I have no way of knowing this, then, whilst not my favourite way of producing a good result, it may have a small amount of merit...emphasis  on the small.
As to the ratings idea; that is a good way for some of those on this site, however, many seem to own several profiles (of all persuasions) which may taint the outcome. Just a thought.
Lord Dalton.

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RE: Spamming other slaves in the area to check the Domw... - 7/23/2006 12:15:56 AM   
MysticFireTopaz


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quote:

ORIGINAL: TiberiusGrant
A few that I've thought of include:
* 5 positive ratings and 5 negative ratings that can be given out per week (non-cumulative) - this would appear near a Dom or slaves profile, so if two subs rated a Dom negatively (one point each), then that Dom would receive a -2 rating. The only thing that would raise the rating would be other subs rating the Dom positively.
* A simple rating system - similar to a poll - that would appear as a button to the left. New polls in a region would appear as new messages, and could be ignored or responded to with a +5 to -5 number.
~Tiberius~


The problem with these ratings is that they can be given out of spite and not be a true reflection of the Dom/me or sub involved.  Some people might give a retaliatory negative rating to a perfectly fine Dom/me or sub just because the person was not interested in them, they disagree with something the person wrote in their profile, they don't think the person's photo is attractive, or any other number of arbitrary reasons.
 
One suggestion is asking for references, though this is not infallable.  The person could have had a few good experiences, but totally screwed over some other people.  Naturally, they are only going to give the names of people who will speak well of them, so you would never know of the others.  Also, when a person is new to the lifestyle, they probably won't have any references, as they have no experience.
 
Another suggestion is getting to know people in your local community.  Sometimes  they will know the person you are inquring about and have some insights.  However, some people are reluctant to attend any public events because of their job or position in the community, so no one would know them.  There is also the same risk of getting bad information, e.g. a Dom might unjustifiably speak negatively about a sub for no other reason than that she rejected his advances.
 
I don't know of any fail-safe method for getting accurate information about a potential partner, but I still think it is a good idea to ask for references, get to know people in your local community that you can ask, and most importantly, trust your instincts. 
 
Lady Topaz

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RE: Spamming other slaves in the area to check the Domw... - 7/23/2006 12:36:11 PM   
windchymes


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Status: offline 		Even if there was a system like this in place, I wouldn't trust it or take it seriously.  Too much room for inaccuracy and sabotage, for witch hunts and pranksters.  Heck, if I knew I was in there being rated, I'd create all kinds of profiles and give myself 5-star ratings all over the place!

The best way is just to take your time in getting to know people, keep your eyes open, use common sense and trust your gut feelings.  And if something smells fishy, don't keep hanging around smelling it!



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RE: Spamming other slaves in the area to check the Domw... - 7/23/2006 2:00:39 PM   
Estring


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Status: offline 		As others pointed out, this would be subject to abuse and unwarranted character assasination. A better idea would be to use your head when getting to know a new Dom. All too often red flags and gut feelings are ignored by subs because they want a Dom so badly. 
And the vanilla cone will change when you reach a certain amount of posts. Don't worry.

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RE: Spamming other slaves in the area to check the Domw... - 7/29/2006 6:56:27 PM   
fairlygothmother


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Status: offline 		Oy...

One can never have enough information, and unfortunately, this is not the best way to get ACCURATE information.

I suggest, generally, that you ask for references to contact, ask for personal information (where appropriate and warranted), and adhere to safety procedures (i.e. safe calls, meeting in a public venue, and such).

That's about the best any of us can do these days.

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RE: Spamming other slaves in the area to check the Domw... - 7/29/2006 7:28:44 PM   
aleshaDreams


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Status: offline 		Sounds like a venue that would open the door to all kinds of biases, my desires don't mirror anothers, the pace of one Dom may not be suitable for me but suitable for another, ones pain endurance is more or less than mine.  Hence what is good for one is not necessarily good for another.  I think that perhaps this would become a witchhunt as mentioned in a previous response.

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RE: Spamming other slaves in the area to check the Domw... - 7/29/2006 8:02:57 PM   
TemptingNviceSub


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Status: offline 		Always remember....we are all adults...and no matter what someone else thinks we will all always form our own opinions...Tempting

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RE: Spamming other slaves in the area to check the Domw... - 7/29/2006 8:44:23 PM   
SirDarkside357


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Status: offline 		We have spoken of this on other forums, it is a good idea, but even good ideas can go bad. On an open forum in cyber land, personal feelings often get in the way of getting a correct rateing. I myself, tend to rub many the wrong way, does this mean I'm bad, maybe, but it may just mean I am me.

Be Well,
Darkside

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RE: Spamming other slaves in the area to check the Domw... - 7/29/2006 9:18:13 PM   
MissdeSade


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Status: offline 		I would hope that gossip would never affect someone's willingness to serve a Domme. However, I think asking the Domme any questions you have before hand or reading any reviews always gives someone an upper heand in experience. More times than not people are unhappy because they did not communicate well with the Domme. 

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RE: Spamming other slaves in the area to check the Domw... - 7/29/2006 9:38:33 PM   
gardenia100


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Status: offline 		I would have to agree with the others.  I am a participant of such a listing on another site for another reason, not lifestyle related.  So many in the cyber world can recreate themselves in many different forms and plunder you into oblivion.  Even blocking people here doesn't work because they create a new profile and come at you again.  I think the best thing is to talk, make friends if new and talk.  Get involved with local groups and talk.  Even then be discriminating of what you hear.  You have to make the final decision.  Abusers only get away with it if no one says anything, and on the other hand if they are good and are decent don't you want them happy?



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RE: Spamming other slaves in the area to check the Domw... - 7/31/2006 10:22:05 PM   
Arpig


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Status: offline 		I think its a great idea myself!!!!
I can be as much of an asshole to as many people as I want, and all I have to do is make 10-20 fake sub profiles and vote for me....and I will always be a +5.....foolproof I tell you, utterly foolproof!

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RE: Spamming other slaves in the area to check the Domw... - 8/6/2006 5:38:31 PM   
slvgirl


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Status: offline 		Hello,

Having been on the bad end of a M/s relationship....i would have loved to have been able to have checked him out before meeting him. i in fact tried to ask others in the community where he lived. No one really knew anything about him, he just appeared some five years ago. i have since learned that he was outted as an abusive dom on the others end of the state, texas and another state back east. i also learned that he has reports filed against him with the police since he moved into the area. IF i only knew then what i know now....

i don't think the rating system will work, and yes, talking to others in your community could warrant an opinion. i however know Masters that were wrongly accused and others who should just plain be in jail. The person i was with, is actually in good standing with the public community, at this time...he used to be in the other communities as well. He has titled himself as a Grand Master in fact. Over time, he has always been outted. i don't wish others to be hurt by this person, and truly believe that he is escelating and will end up killing someone. Yet, if i come on here and try to warn anyone, i'd just be the spiteful slave....there has to be a way to have factual information on people. Submissives...slave put their lives in His hands afterall, are they not worth being safe? Everyone in the meantime that gets involved with him, and i assure you, there are many on this site who already have....will continue to be hurt until he is outted. Hefty price to pay while waiting...

There has to be some way...i know i can document my things, but not everyone can and not everyone will want to. i myself know that if he even knew i was writing this, would come after me....so what do you do?

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RE: Spamming other slaves in the area to check the Domw... - 8/15/2006 8:37:09 PM   
SirDarkside357


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Status: offline 		If no one knows him, and he can't give you references that do, then why would you want to meet him...... do you play russian rulett too?  A slave once came to meet me that didn't ask for any references, I told her before she was allowed to come she had to atleast check 3. I gave her the local sherriff, police chief, and a local female.  She was to ask only about my character and trustworthyness, not anything to do with the lifestyle, some folks don't need to know that much about me, LOL. If someone isn't willing to let you do atleast that, then he might have something to hide.  You don't need to know anything about his BDSM life to meet, but you do need to know about him.

Be Well,
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RE: Spamming other slaves in the area to check the Domw... - 8/15/2006 8:42:00 PM   
DiurnalVampire


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Status: offline 		No one knows me out here.  I am new to my area, and I tend to keep long distance subs.  Many of them get very annoyed when I dismiss them because they dont choose t put the time or effort into the relationships I thought they should hve.  Now that I have my boy, I have even more sour grapes.
So, a rating system like that would doom someone like me. Opinion polls are just populatiry contests and I will be damned if I was going to kiss a subs as ust to make myself look better for a poll.

And Arpig's right, youd have just as many unworthies making themselves a bunch of profiles to make themselves look good anyway.

DV

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RE: Spamming other slaves in the area to check the Domw... - 8/15/2006 11:32:36 PM   
CrappyDom


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Status: offline 		What would be more usefull is a meter of who was doling out the bad reviews.  The drama queens always have the greatest doms and the most evil ex partners.


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