sweetblackrose
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I really found your suggestion that reading the books is not required to be interesting and contrary to what I understood. I always thought I couldn't be a true gor slave unless I read the books and understood them. But thinking about what you have written, I agree that at the end of the say, my duty is a slave would be to obey my Master, not necessarily understand why.
Whether or not it would be required depends entirely on the Master in question. It is certainly not a requirement to become owned by a Gorean that you would have first read the books though. Many Goreans would collar a slave they found pleasing even if she had never even heard of Gor, if they were convinced that she'd be a good fit for their households.
My slave had never heard of Gor before she begged her collar, neither had my friend who I spoke of in my earlier post.
However, I'm requiring my slave to now read the books because I think it will help her grow in her collar; my friend's Master never required her to read them because he didn't deem it necessary, or helpful with her. Instead he's having her learn how to pole dance.
Apparently that pleases him more than having her spend all those hours reading. *grins*
It totally depends on the whim of the owner, what he wants from the slave, and how reading the books may help him get that from her.
Reading the Gor books won't make you a better kajira.
In the end, the only thing that will make you a better kajira is the quality of training you receive from the person who owns you.
If that training is lacking, you'll never be a slave that other men feel envious to own, no matter how many books you read. If you get that quality training, you will become a dream of service and pleasure in ways you cannot even imagine, without needing to ever read a single word to get there.
For some slaves it helps to read the books, because they train easier if they understand the 'why', my slave being an example of that. However, reading the books will not teach you how to be a slave -only your owner can do that. The only thing will do is give you the 'why' on why your owner might train you a certain way, but not another way... and it will probably also cause you to feel at least a little bit uneasy, and maybe even resentful, any time he decided to do something differently with you than what is done in the books, and you personally deem that the book way is better than whatever it is he's doing.
Even though my slave had never heard of Gor before she got collared, now that she's a few books in, I'm already sometimes getting a "But Mistress, kajirae are supposed to X.". To which my standard reply is: "Are you owned by John Norman or by me?".
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Would it be accurate to say that not all Goran Masters may follow all the same rules from the book?
If he's a Gorean man, he won't give a hoot about any of what the books say on the treatment of slaves, and will do as he pleases.
If he's set on treating a slave exactly as the books describe the slaves are treated because that's what the books say he should do, then he's not a Gorean man.
Goreans consider slaves as livestock. Chattel. Owned property. No different from a valued pet dog really...
They don't consider them to be "a person who has decided to agree to act like a slave would act" like most of the BDSM crowd does.
Because of that, they will treat their slaves exactly as they want to treat them. They're not copying the way slaves in the books are treated because "that's what you're supposed to do" any more than a dog owner would copy the way Lassie was treated just because they're a fan of the movie.
That being said, most Goreans will have a fair bit of customs from the books mirrored in how they treat their slaves, but not because the books say that this is the way it's supposed to be, but instead because they find it a beautiful, pleasing thing to do with their slaves.
Kneeling in nadu is a classic example that you can find in any Gorean household I know of.
However, in the end, if he's Gorean, the only thing that you can count on is that he's see you as an actual piece of owned property. A different class of human being than himself. Not as an "equal human being who has decided for the time to act as a slave would" but as an actual slave. Everything else is subject to his whim.
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Based on what you have written I am assuming that for the most part each races live in different cities, except few scattered slaves of different races in each cities. Is that accurate assumption?
Yes that's correct.
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Regarding race: What if an Inuit or a black Master came to live in a city among white masters, would that black or Inuit Master be looked at differently if he were to desire to own white slaves?
While Goreans travel -and sometimes extensively so- it would be unusual for a Gorean to permanently go live in another city, due to various cultural reasons having to do with Home Stones.
That being said, in the situation you describe, Goreans wouldn't care what color a man's skin was, and what color the skin of his slaves were. The way Norman describes Gor, skin color isn't really noticed by Goreans any more than we notice each other's eye color.
So for a Gorean your question would be the same if you asked if a man with blue eyes would be looked on differently if he decided to own a slave with brown eyes: it just doesn't matter what the color of the eyes/skin is to Goreans. What matters is their language, culture, city, caste, etc.
Goreans on Earth I can't speak for, other than that I've never met a Gorean who has said anything even remotely indicating that skin color would be an issue for them.
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Also in the current time, are their any benefits of owning slaves of different ethnic backgrounds by mostly white (as there are mostly white masters practicing gor) masters?
There are no benefits that I know of. Neither are there drawbacks as far as I'm aware. But I haven't given it much thought either way.
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Also, what if I as a slave own a property (house for example), would I be giving that up once I am owned by my Master/Mistress?
It depends entirely on the Master.
Goreans in the books hold that slaves cannot own property, as they are themselves owned.
Goreans on Earth handle matters financially however they seem fit to do. The girl I spoke about before signed over all her possessions to her Master and legally owns nothing at the moment. With my own slave it was the same. She owns nothing at the moment. What little she had before begging her collar she transferred to us when it was granted.
However, I know other men who have allowed their slaves to -legally and in name at least- hold tittles to property, and even have their own bank accounts, etc.
Thank you Mistress UllrsIshtar.
I wanted to respond to each section by section but I don't know how to do it here...
Yes, I think I should wait until I am owned before I read the books. It might be better if my Owners guide me in reading the books, i.e. what books to read and what they think will be beneficial for me. Yes, I figured a true Gorean master will not follow anyone's rules, but simply a philosophy and will have his own rules. I also understand the difference between the normal bdsm world and the Gors. This is not simply about plays for those in the Gorean lifestyle, but it's a deeply held beliefs and philosophy, and that is what I truly respect. And real slaves were never allowed to truly own anything, so as harsh as that may sound, it is the right way of going about things.
I noticed you said you own a slave, Mistress UllrsIshtar. Is the slave owned primarily by you or Master of the house, or to both equally? How does a Gorean woman become a free woman capable of owning slaves while others like me remain slaves?
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