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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 2:28:30 PM   
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Excellent post with some very good points, especially the last bit.


I second what you said about Ishtar's post

And third...

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 2:28:45 PM   
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Yes i believe that is a 'Survival of the species' programmed into women. We don't submit to men that are weak because humanity would not survive.


Well, granted, she was quite petite, and I couldn't do it for long ... but this submissive male could hold his ex above his head with one hand. Do you think you could expound your theories about weak submissive men from that position?

Mind you, you'd literally be looking down on me, so maybe you'd be in a position that's inherently dominant ....

This stuff gives me a headache.


There are different kinds of weakness.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 2:29:06 PM   
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You know, the thing that bothers me about the biologic deterministic view about Dominance and submission is that, with the way biology works, there's necessarily going to be exceptions. That's the way evolution works, after all... if every specimen was a perfect clone of every specimen before, we wouldn't have the biodiversity we have today.
There'll be exceptions but it's a question of whether those exceptions convey advantage.

From the perspective of someone who believes in biological imperative, submissive men are throwing away their birthright merely to get their dick hard. Gifted with testosterone and the ability to be stronger, faster, more aggressive, more decisive and prone to more risk-taking than women, submissive men throw it all away because they're too weak to conquer women and want women to do all the work.

Seducing women requires risk and reward. It requires you put yourself out there and risk rejection. Submissive men buy into the nerd fantasy where women come onto them, where there's no risk required in order to get laid. And they'll readily abandon their dignity in order to do so.

I've often noted there's a difference between submissive men and submissive women. Submissive men throw their submission at any woman who glances sideways at them... whereas submissive women actually have standards. Consequently Doms have to conquer, whereas Dommes just show up and say yes.

It doesn't matter which way you slice it, but picking up a male sub is fucking easy - the fuckers are everywhere and they're desperate. Female subs, not so much.

Why chose a life of pathetic begging over one of conquering? Why abandon your advantages which biology has given you to let someone with lesser capability rule over you? Submissive men are compromising their futures by abrogating responsibility for themselves - like a child who's never truly grown up.

Now, in all that variation, you get some who simply don't have much in the way of testosterone and will trend toward androgyny. Those poor fuckers really don't have much in the way of options and a fair amount of them will predictably start advocating that gender is a social construct. The same happens with women who aren't particularly feminine either. They'll assert that androgyny is the natural order of things and start trying to pretend that men and women are exactly the same except for genitalia.

There's not much they can do, so you can understand them trying to make the best of it.... but masculine men who aren't suffering hormonal abnormalities who try and do the same? That's utter madness.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 2:30:32 PM   
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*chuckle* Still waiting for you to lead by example there, Awareness
Good girl. That's the first thing you've said which addresses your attitude problem.

Now sit. Stay!


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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 2:32:00 PM   
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If I don't possess the ability to conceive, I'm not submissive.

That is not what she said. What you are apparently missing here is the fact that your ability to conceive has no bearing on your basic biological function as a female human being. The basic biological function of a male is to impregnate a female and so produce offspring and the basic biological function of a female is to be impregnated and thus produce offspring. The biological function of any animal (or plant for that matter) is to produce offspring. This basic design/function is in no way altered by any particular person/animal/plant's fertility or lack thereof.

Her argument really had very little to do with conception, but was rather based on the manner of conception. See, her argument was that since a human female has to "receive" sperm from a male, that somehow makes her inherently submissive. A similarly inane argument could be made that since it is the female that receives the sperm, the male is inherently submissive as he must give/surrender his sperm to her.

It is quite clear that you, and others, have totally misunderstood her asinine argument.



After she opens and receives his seed, she surrenders her body for the next 9 months to support the growth of the human being inside of her and then she surrenders again to the process of birthing the baby where she has to open up completely to allow the baby's passage out.
Those are the most obvious biological functions of surrender which a woman experiences in which females (not males) were uniquely designed for.



I take it from all the bullshit you're spewing that you do not have any kids.



Where is my flyswatter?



Answer the question? Do you actually have any kids? Do you actually understand the strength, dominance, and control motherhood (effective motherhood) requires for the development of strong healthy children? Do you? Or do you just make shit up based on the limited knowledge you gleaned from high school biology?



Yes... i have 2 grown children. They are both doing great. ... and now... fuck off.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 2:35:17 PM   
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*chuckle* Still waiting for you to lead by example there, Awareness
Good girl. That's the first thing you've said which addresses your attitude problem.

Now sit. Stay!



My attitude appears to be your problem from the looks of it

Fetch, boy!


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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 2:36:57 PM   
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So do you understand how DOMINANT a woman has to be to bear children? How take charge my daily life must be over others to get shit done for and because of my kids? You have no fucking clue how dominant a WOMAN must be to have and raise children. Submission means shit all when you have to grow and raise a child. Get outta hear with that noise.
Strong healthy children require a father. The children of single mothers have significantly increased risks of social, emotional or psychological problems.



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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 2:38:34 PM   
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Fetch, boy!

*laugh* Ah, it's true. Where men lead, women follow.

Priceless.


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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 2:39:08 PM   
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Well anything is possible. I guess time will tell.


If time will tell, and you're convinced of the ultimate success of male dominance over 'weak and pathetic' men, then why are you so bothered by their existence?
If your own biological programming is necessarily superior to theirs, why do you even notice they're around? They're nothing to you. Inferior specimen. Not worth your time and effort.

Why bother despising them?

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 2:40:26 PM   
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Fetch, boy!

*laugh* Ah, it's true. Where men lead, women follow.

Priceless.



Just sinking it down to your level, Awareness After all, you lead and I follow


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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 2:41:18 PM   
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Why bother despising them?

because it makes her feel better about herself would be my guess. that is usually the underlying motivation for irrational hatred.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 2:42:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Awareness


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You know, the thing that bothers me about the biologic deterministic view about Dominance and submission is that, with the way biology works, there's necessarily going to be exceptions. That's the way evolution works, after all... if every specimen was a perfect clone of every specimen before, we wouldn't have the biodiversity we have today.
There'll be exceptions but it's a question of whether those exceptions convey advantage.

From the perspective of someone who believes in biological imperative, submissive men are throwing away their birthright merely to get their dick hard. Gifted with testosterone and the ability to be stronger, faster, more aggressive, more decisive and prone to more risk-taking than women, submissive men throw it all away because they're too weak to conquer women and want women to do all the work.

Seducing women requires risk and reward. It requires you put yourself out there and risk rejection. Submissive men buy into the nerd fantasy where women come onto them, where there's no risk required in order to get laid. And they'll readily abandon their dignity in order to do so.

I've often noted there's a difference between submissive men and submissive women. Submissive men throw their submission at any woman who glances sideways at them... whereas submissive women actually have standards. Consequently Doms have to conquer, whereas Dommes just show up and say yes.

It doesn't matter which way you slice it, but picking up a male sub is fucking easy - the fuckers are everywhere and they're desperate. Female subs, not so much.

Why chose a life of pathetic begging over one of conquering? Why abandon your advantages which biology has given you to let someone with lesser capability rule over you? Submissive men are compromising their futures by abrogating responsibility for themselves - like a child who's never truly grown up.

Now, in all that variation, you get some who simply don't have much in the way of testosterone and will trend toward androgyny. Those poor fuckers really don't have much in the way of options and a fair amount of them will predictably start advocating that gender is a social construct. The same happens with women who aren't particularly feminine either. They'll assert that androgyny is the natural order of things and start trying to pretend that men and women are exactly the same except for genitalia.

There's not much they can do, so you can understand them trying to make the best of it.... but masculine men who aren't suffering hormonal abnormalities who try and do the same? That's utter madness.


Same question as I posed to tamaka:

You're inherently superior. You challenge. You conquer. You have standards. You take responsibility for your future and that of those who depend on you.

They're weak, pathetic, grovelling, sniveling losers who give up their birthright.

How could they ever be enough of a bother to you so that you would even deem to take notice of them, let alone spare the energy to despise them?

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 2:45:50 PM   
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So do you understand how DOMINANT a woman has to be to bear children? How take charge my daily life must be over others to get shit done for and because of my kids? You have no fucking clue how dominant a WOMAN must be to have and raise children. Submission means shit all when you have to grow and raise a child.

Actually it doesn't take dominance. It requires self-control, dedication, and generally sacrifice to do so. These are also what it requires of men, by the way.

So, if there is anything dominant or submissive about child rearing, it is more on the submissive side as the parents puts the needs of the child above their wants and desires. And again, this submissive behaviour applies equally to men and women.

However, this whole approach is silly, as there is nothing inherently dominant or submissive about such interactions.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 2:46:33 PM   
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Why bother despising them?

because it makes her feel better about herself would be my guess. that is usually the underlying motivation for irrational hatred.



Why though?

It seems like it would only detract from being able to live this glorious life of innate superiority to even take notice of the existence of the depraved scum of the Earth.

It's like surrounding yourself with the most beautiful rose garden, and then spend all your time staring at and smelling the compost pile behind the little fence in the corner.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 2:49:10 PM   
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Well anything is possible. I guess time will tell.


If time will tell, and you're convinced of the ultimate success of male dominance over 'weak and pathetic' men, then why are you so bothered by their existence?
If your own biological programming is necessarily superior to theirs, why do you even notice they're around? They're nothing to you. Inferior specimen. Not worth your time and effort.

Why bother despising them?


I just think it's really sad for them. But luckily i don't deal with them in real life... thank God.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 2:50:09 PM   
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merely to get their dick hard.


See what I mean? He's mad. *No* sane male puts the word 'merely' immediately before the words 'to get their dick hard'

OK, only joking. ;)

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 2:50:22 PM   
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So do you understand how DOMINANT a woman has to be to bear children?

"Dom" does rhyme with "Mom."

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 2:52:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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Well anything is possible. I guess time will tell.


If time will tell, and you're convinced of the ultimate success of male dominance over 'weak and pathetic' men, then why are you so bothered by their existence?
If your own biological programming is necessarily superior to theirs, why do you even notice they're around? They're nothing to you. Inferior specimen. Not worth your time and effort.

Why bother despising them?


I just think it's really sad for them. But luckily i don't deal with them in real life... thank God.



No, but you do devote quite a bit of time, effort, and energy to bitching about them


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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 2:55:51 PM   
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Well anything is possible. I guess time will tell.


If time will tell, and you're convinced of the ultimate success of male dominance over 'weak and pathetic' men, then why are you so bothered by their existence?
If your own biological programming is necessarily superior to theirs, why do you even notice they're around? They're nothing to you. Inferior specimen. Not worth your time and effort.

Why bother despising them?


I just think it's really sad for them. But luckily i don't deal with them in real life... thank God.



Pity and contempt are incompatible emotions.

You cannot feel sorrow and compassion for that which you despise.

And considering that you've made it abundantly clear that you despise male submissives, your current claim to feeling pity for them is obviously less than genuine.



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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 11/8/2016 2:58:11 PM   
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Same question as I posed to tamaka:

You're inherently superior. You challenge. You conquer. You have standards. You take responsibility for your future and that of those who depend on you.

They're weak, pathetic, grovelling, sniveling losers who give up their birthright.

How could they ever be enough of a bother to you so that you would even deem to take notice of them, let alone spare the energy to despise them?
A) Having an opinion doesn't require energy.

B) Just because a man's been inculcated with idiocy, doesn't mean it's impossible for him to change.

C) Their existence is part of a larger ideological framework which aims to deny and defang masculinity. They're effectively a subset - the male sub/feminist combo is incredibly common - of a larger cultural war taking place in our societies which aims to deny gender differences.

Tamaka partially touched on this earlier. Societies which undermine masculinity are societies which will be ripped to shreds by their less feminised competitors. This is already happening in Britain - which will be part of an Islamic Caliphate within the next 20 or so years.

Cultures compete and right now, Western societies are competing with the Asian tigers and Islamic imperialists. We need masculinity in order to survive and compete effectively. Some submissive men may be biological, but a whole shitload of them are psychologically created - and I suspect many of them are created through the indoctrination which has been imposed in schools and universities.

So, in answer to your question: Why does anyone comment on something they disagree with? Or rather, why does anyone jump into a conversation where half a dozen clique members are beating up on an individual and trying to overwhelm them with volume? Because I disagree and if people aren't prepared to take the floor and disagree with this fucking madness, then our societies are headed well and truly down the toilet.

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