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ORIGINAL: MariaB

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

If things work for you, great. If they don't you need to tell him that.

A lot of the stuff he's doing are common with inexperienced dominants who read this stuff.

Journals didn't work for me. I've never been a diary person. I felt much better writing him emails and getting his thoughts back. Writing to myself just felt like mental masturbation.

Restricting eye contact also prevents him from sensing how you feel. Not only do you not get a sense of how he feels, but it blocks him from knowing about you. I'd ask him about why he's doing this and how it makes you feel.

But I don't get a sense that you're all that happy with how this relationship is going. And you deserve to be happy in your relationships.

And yeah, the only person who should be pushing your limits is you. But if you're not stopping him when he does this, he may well think that you'll also be fine with him penetrating you anally. You need to speak up when things are bothering you. If you don't, then it will just get worse.

You teach people how to treat you by what you accept. Stop accepting things that you don't want.

As for touching your forbidden place, you need to be clear with him that this is a no go area and that teasing you there makes you feel tense and uncomfortable.

Then don''t be a submissive for Christ's sake. Geeze.

I'm not a submissive but that's beside the point. You are suggesting that if you have 'no go areas' you shouldn't be a submissive?

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ORIGINAL: Greatlilbabygirl

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

If things work for you, great. If they don't you need to tell him that.

A lot of the stuff he's doing are common with inexperienced dominants who read this stuff.

Journals didn't work for me. I've never been a diary person. I felt much better writing him emails and getting his thoughts back. Writing to myself just felt like mental masturbation.

Restricting eye contact also prevents him from sensing how you feel. Not only do you not get a sense of how he feels, but it blocks him from knowing about you. I'd ask him about why he's doing this and how it makes you feel.

But I don't get a sense that you're all that happy with how this relationship is going. And you deserve to be happy in your relationships.

And yeah, the only person who should be pushing your limits is you. But if you're not stopping him when he does this, he may well think that you'll also be fine with him penetrating you anally. You need to speak up when things are bothering you. If you don't, then it will just get worse.

You teach people how to treat you by what you accept. Stop accepting things that you don't want.

As for touching your forbidden place, you need to be clear with him that this is a no go area and that teasing you there makes you feel tense and uncomfortable.

Then don''t be a submissive for Christ's sake. Geeze.

Please don't listen to her (tamaka). Submission isn't a one size fits all situation. You do you OP and evolve in this and other relationships as you learn more about yourself and what you can and can't tolerate.

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

If things work for you, great. If they don't you need to tell him that.

A lot of the stuff he's doing are common with inexperienced dominants who read this stuff.

Journals didn't work for me. I've never been a diary person. I felt much better writing him emails and getting his thoughts back. Writing to myself just felt like mental masturbation.

Restricting eye contact also prevents him from sensing how you feel. Not only do you not get a sense of how he feels, but it blocks him from knowing about you. I'd ask him about why he's doing this and how it makes you feel.

But I don't get a sense that you're all that happy with how this relationship is going. And you deserve to be happy in your relationships.

And yeah, the only person who should be pushing your limits is you. But if you're not stopping him when he does this, he may well think that you'll also be fine with him penetrating you anally. You need to speak up when things are bothering you. If you don't, then it will just get worse.

You teach people how to treat you by what you accept. Stop accepting things that you don't want.

As for touching your forbidden place, you need to be clear with him that this is a no go area and that teasing you there makes you feel tense and uncomfortable.

Then don''t be a submissive for Christ's sake. Geeze.

I'm not a submissive but that's beside the point. You are suggesting that if you have 'no go areas' you shouldn't be a submissive?

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

If things work for you, great. If they don't you need to tell him that.

A lot of the stuff he's doing are common with inexperienced dominants who read this stuff.

Journals didn't work for me. I've never been a diary person. I felt much better writing him emails and getting his thoughts back. Writing to myself just felt like mental masturbation.

Restricting eye contact also prevents him from sensing how you feel. Not only do you not get a sense of how he feels, but it blocks him from knowing about you. I'd ask him about why he's doing this and how it makes you feel.

But I don't get a sense that you're all that happy with how this relationship is going. And you deserve to be happy in your relationships.

And yeah, the only person who should be pushing your limits is you. But if you're not stopping him when he does this, he may well think that you'll also be fine with him penetrating you anally. You need to speak up when things are bothering you. If you don't, then it will just get worse.

You teach people how to treat you by what you accept. Stop accepting things that you don't want.

As for touching your forbidden place, you need to be clear with him that this is a no go area and that teasing you there makes you feel tense and uncomfortable.

Then don''t be a submissive for Christ's sake. Geeze.

I'm not a submissive but that's beside the point. You are suggesting that if you have 'no go areas' you shouldn't be a submissive?

Yes... i think if you're not really ready for something, you shouldn't get involved in it.

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

If things work for you, great. If they don't you need to tell him that.

A lot of the stuff he's doing are common with inexperienced dominants who read this stuff.

Journals didn't work for me. I've never been a diary person. I felt much better writing him emails and getting his thoughts back. Writing to myself just felt like mental masturbation.

Restricting eye contact also prevents him from sensing how you feel. Not only do you not get a sense of how he feels, but it blocks him from knowing about you. I'd ask him about why he's doing this and how it makes you feel.

But I don't get a sense that you're all that happy with how this relationship is going. And you deserve to be happy in your relationships.

And yeah, the only person who should be pushing your limits is you. But if you're not stopping him when he does this, he may well think that you'll also be fine with him penetrating you anally. You need to speak up when things are bothering you. If you don't, then it will just get worse.

You teach people how to treat you by what you accept. Stop accepting things that you don't want.

As for touching your forbidden place, you need to be clear with him that this is a no go area and that teasing you there makes you feel tense and uncomfortable.

Then don''t be a submissive for Christ's sake. Geeze.

I'm not a submissive but that's beside the point. You are suggesting that if you have 'no go areas' you shouldn't be a submissive?

Yes... i think if you're not really ready for something, you shouldn't get involved in it.

She wasn't engaged in something she wasn't really ready for at all.

She was engaging in a relationship with stipulated: I will do xyz for you, if you agree to do abc. He then started changing the goal posts by doing A and claiming that wasn't the same as a.

Now, whether you, tamaka, considers that 'submission' or not is an entirely semantical argument which no place on this thread, but the fact remains that she was engaged in a relationship where she excluded everything she wasn't ready for, and he agreed to honor her exclusions, and then didn't.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

So she is submitting to what she wants him to do to her... lol

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

So she is submitting to what she wants him to do to her... lol

Perhaps. Perhaps not. Perhaps she's submitting to a whole bunch of things she doesn't want him to do, but this one thing is off-limits because she's a previous victim of child abuse. Perhaps she only wants to do the things she wants to do, and anything she doesn't want to do is off the table.

It doesn't really matter now does it? The fact is that they agreed to certain things, and he's pushing towards breaking his word. Whether you think that's submission on not is entirely irrelevant to this argument.

Besides, the way you're just stated "submitting to what she wants him to do" you're implying that's it's impossible to submit to something you want and enjoy, and submission is necessarily only possible if one dislikes something. If that's really what you think submission is like, I can only assume you've never yet been owned.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

So she is submitting to what she wants him to do to her... lol

Perhaps. Perhaps not. Perhaps she's submitting to a whole bunch of things she doesn't want him to do, but this one thing is off-limits because she's a previous victim of child abuse. Perhaps she only wants to do the things she wants to do, and anything she doesn't want to do is off the table.

It doesn't really matter now does it? The fact is that they agreed to certain things, and he's pushing towards breaking his word. Whether you think that's submission on not is entirely irrelevant to this argument.

Besides, the way you're just stated "submitting to what she wants him to do" you're implying that's it's impossible to submit to something you want and enjoy, and submission is necessarily only possible if one dislikes something. If that's really what you think submission is like, I can only assume you've never yet been owned.

I didn't say that submission is only possible if you dislike something. Perhaps i should have added the word 'Only' to be more clear of my point.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

for most of us, we submit for our own selfish reasons,

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

for most of us, we submit for our own selfish reasons,

Everybody does everything they do for their own selfish reasons.

Even altruism is selfishly motivated, and submission sure as fuck ain't even altruistic.

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

So she is submitting to what she wants him to do to her... lol

Perhaps. Perhaps not. Perhaps she's submitting to a whole bunch of things she doesn't want him to do, but this one thing is off-limits because she's a previous victim of child abuse. Perhaps she only wants to do the things she wants to do, and anything she doesn't want to do is off the table.

It doesn't really matter now does it? The fact is that they agreed to certain things, and he's pushing towards breaking his word. Whether you think that's submission on not is entirely irrelevant to this argument.

Besides, the way you're just stated "submitting to what she wants him to do" you're implying that's it's impossible to submit to something you want and enjoy, and submission is necessarily only possible if one dislikes something. If that's really what you think submission is like, I can only assume you've never yet been owned.

I didn't say that submission is only possible if you dislike something. Perhaps i should have added the word 'Only' to be more clear of my point.

I didn't say you said that. I said that the statement as you presented it implies that. I further emphasized that I didn't think you believed that implication by stating "if that's what you really think", hence implying myself that I believed you made an incorrect statement by presenting a subject you yourself understand is nuanced in extremely limiting black and white terms.
Maybe you should learn to read...

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ORIGINAL: mrsincere

I get the feeling OP was just fishing for a "shut up and take it slut" type response.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: Greatlilbabygirl

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

If things work for you, great. If they don't you need to tell him that.

A lot of the stuff he's doing are common with inexperienced dominants who read this stuff.

Journals didn't work for me. I've never been a diary person. I felt much better writing him emails and getting his thoughts back. Writing to myself just felt like mental masturbation.

Restricting eye contact also prevents him from sensing how you feel. Not only do you not get a sense of how he feels, but it blocks him from knowing about you. I'd ask him about why he's doing this and how it makes you feel.

But I don't get a sense that you're all that happy with how this relationship is going. And you deserve to be happy in your relationships.

And yeah, the only person who should be pushing your limits is you. But if you're not stopping him when he does this, he may well think that you'll also be fine with him penetrating you anally. You need to speak up when things are bothering you. If you don't, then it will just get worse.

You teach people how to treat you by what you accept. Stop accepting things that you don't want.

As for touching your forbidden place, you need to be clear with him that this is a no go area and that teasing you there makes you feel tense and uncomfortable.

Then don''t be a submissive for Christ's sake. Geeze.

Please don't listen to her (tamaka). Submission isn't a one size fits all situation. You do you OP and evolve in this and other relationships as you learn more about yourself and what you can and can't tolerate.

I thought you put me on hide. I guess you lied.

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ORIGINAL: Diffident

Being submissive does not mean not having no limits at all. Everyone has limits.

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ORIGINAL: Greatlilbabygirl

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ORIGINAL: Diffident

Being submissive does not mean not having no limits at all. Everyone has limits.

Not tamaka the magnificent. Well, except for fucking other girls, submissive men...........

But I'm sure if her Dom told her to fuck another girl or kick a guy in the balls she'd do it. Because she's so perfectly submissive, as all real women should be

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

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ORIGINAL: mrsincere

I get the feeling OP was just fishing for a "shut up and take it slut" type response.

I didn't get that feeling at all. What about the post gives you that impression?

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: Greatlilbabygirl

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ORIGINAL: Diffident

Being submissive does not mean not having no limits at all. Everyone has limits.

Not tamaka the magnificent. Well, except for fucking other girls, submissive men...........

But I'm sure if her Dom told her to fuck another girl or kick a guy in the balls she'd do it. Because she's so perfectly submissive, as all real women should be

You're right. I would.
.... and you're the one that decided i am magnificent. I am a slave... i don't think too many people think a slave is magnificent. I wonder why you do.
Why do you think all 'real women' should be perfectly submissive?