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How do you inspire service? - 11/7/2016 9:08:09 PM   
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Without going into the mists of drama that followed, a group of femdoms apart of another site recently had a bitch session about the lack of quality slaves coming out to our events. A lot of it was femdoms demanding service because of their indifinable qualities as a femdom when one boy asked what were the women doing to inspire their service?

A lot of drama came after that, but it did have me thinking...what do I do to inspire service from a/my sub? So many women on here spend their time screaming and demanding service then getting enraged when it isn't given or the quality of service is bad. (I'm looking at the findoms here...)

So I thought I would ask the good people of collarspace and pray to baby Jesus that this thread does not turn into a wreck.

Ladies, what do you do to inspire service?

Bottom types, how does a Domme inspire service from you?

Edited because autocorrect hates me.

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RE: How do you inspire service? - 11/7/2016 9:36:34 PM   
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Ladies, what do you do to inspire service?

Absolutely nothing.
To do something to deliberately inspire service is solicitous, to my mind. Whether it's using certain words or tools or wearing certain costumes. To deliberately pick up golfing so you can strike up a conversation with the Golf-enthsiast CEO of the company. That's just not me. If someone finds me inspiring, I want it to be because it was "me", not because of some role I played for the purposes of getting someone interested.

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RE: How do you inspire service? - 11/7/2016 9:38:48 PM   
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I'm male, but I have some experience in both giving and receiving service, so I'll take a stab at it.

First, if someone is in love with you, they'll do a lot of things for you, regardless of relationship dynamic -- dom, sub, nilla. Part of love is a feeling of being part of something more important than just yourself. I think that's the key to understanding how to motivate service, even in a context based more on protocol than love.

Help the sub feel as though he's part of something that is larger than just him. This could mean he's volunteering to build a better kink community for the future, or it could mean that he's building a stronger relationship dynamic with someone he cares about.

Unless the sub cares about you as a person, any "service" to you is really just an aspect of service to himself. There are two sides to this fact: (1) dommes have to sidestep the do-me's who call themselves subs; but (2) dommes who suffer from goddess complex will burn out service subs again and again, then complain that all men are do-me's.

Relationships just based on kink are shallow, and short. What are you doing to earn respect, to earn the trust that if you lead you are safe to follow, that if someone follows you his life will be better tomorrow than it was yesterday?

Hope this answers a bit of your question.

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RE: How do you inspire service? - 11/7/2016 9:50:16 PM   
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appreciation of the service i give, the service i give makes my owners life easier changing the brake pads on the car giving a foot massage or just sitting at her feet as a comfort
i enjoy serving i try to find things that will be of use to my owner for the smile on her face or even just a touch of her hand gives me the pleasure i seek

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RE: How do you inspire service? - 11/7/2016 11:04:51 PM   
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Don't set your slave up to fail by giving them impossible tasks.
Also, be patient and tolerant of mistakes... teach, don't demand.

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RE: How do you inspire service? - 11/8/2016 12:15:31 AM   
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First you have to know your submissive/slave. Every one is different, and has different needs. Your job is to figure out what they are. Inside that framework you must decide what part you want, what is not there you must have, what is there they must be able to give that you can live with or even learn to enjoy and what they need you cannot give. This is the puzzle you must master.

Said another way, the Dominant is a musician, the submissive is the musical instrument. You cannot play a cello like it was a tuba. The object is for the Dominant to make the best music between them.

There are some absolutes in short term relationships.

Submissives need recognition. It may be positive or negative depending on the sub, but even the sub who wants to work in your kitchen doing no strings housework needs you to think about him, to glance in and show some energy. A sub must feel desired, appreciated for themselves and to be given a chance to serve. An unused submissive is a broken one.

A person who declares themselves a Dominant and insists on respect and total obedience will be unsuccessful in the long term. Oh some subs will give them a try, after all subs outnumber Dominants. But if a Dominant treats a sub like a piece of wood (without negotiation, of course), the subs will not stay long.

First you take an interest in the submissive. Is this a good fit for the interaction you are currently looking for, and would that interaction be good for the submissive. Sometimes a sub may want to serve you just to serve you, however sometimes it takes negotiation that a sub do something outside their "like" list in return for something they do want, like a session later. But no matter what, the submissive's contribution must be acknowledged (within the personna of the Dominant)

As it applies to your asking submissives to help, first be clear on what you want. When someone does volunteer you do not exactly say thank you, you might say you look forward to them being of service to you, and that you will be grateful. When they arrive take a minute to speak to him/her. Make a minimum amount of vanilla small talk (like how was traffic) followed by an interest in their kinky side, (so is this your first tine, what do you like best about the space, etc). And ask if there is anything they would like to share with you about how they would like to do the tasks. Some may want to be naked, etc. If so, take an appraising look once they are naked, and give an offhand compliment before they dress. As they do the assigned tasks keep an occasional eye on them. When they are done take the time to seriously look and consider the gift of submission that has just been given. Show quiet approval and gratitude. (You did an amazing job, your Mistress is/ or any Mistress would be proud, etc.) always end with thank you for your service.

In all interactions, but especially in long term service, you must remember and integrate that your submissive is first and foremost a man or a woman. That the normal needs of any person must be fed, and the service they offer must fulfill that. For instance. My slave has served me faithfully for 11 years. He has never wavered in any way. I have to consider he is also an artist, and a video game player, and a guy who drives too fast. I encourage the video games and time creating art, I mildly chastise him for the driving, but I bought him a powerful car because I know this is where he has the most control/testosterone in his life and I have to allow him that.

I know I have been rambling.

I hope this helps.

Zifra

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RE: How do you inspire service? - 11/8/2016 3:56:14 PM   
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I generally like Alecta's posting, but as a sub, her profile and BDSM posture and journals are baffling to me. I don't see any appeal. But I think that's because I am not a slave or service slave, so mission accomplished I guess.

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RE: How do you inspire service? - 11/8/2016 5:29:48 PM   
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RE: How do you inspire service? - 11/8/2016 6:08:32 PM   
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I see it (somewhat) as S&M / BDSM overreach to include cleaning, shopping, and other day-to-day tasks as hot/kinky/submissive activities.

One of my favorite stories was of a maledom who wanted to add another femsub to the equation -- leaving the primary in service task mode and the new number as a sex and dating object. After about two weeks of this arrangement, the maledom complained about something while sitting on the couch, and his primary sub ripped a set of framed rules off the wall and heaved them across the room smashing glass everywhere. She'd had enough.

There's also the old one liner that maledoms want blowjobs and femdoms want their house cleaned.

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RE: How do you inspire service? - 11/8/2016 8:12:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gunshow
I don't see any appeal.


I could find things that would be appealing to you to throw in there, but that would just be a waste of both our times lol

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RE: How do you inspire service? - 11/9/2016 9:45:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MaidMonkey

Bottom types, how does a Domme inspire service from you?



Every sub is going to have a different answer to this question. But I like the answer that Ms. Zifra offered.

IMO, Dommes have to remember that subs have needs too, and that having those needs doesn't necessarily constitute topping from the bottom. So I strongly suggest trying to understand your sub's needs, combine them with yours, and try to find win/win opportunities for your dynamic. D/s relationships are no different than vanilla relationships in that BOTH parties have to get something out of the relationship or one of them is going to leave. Yet, I run into far too many Dommes who don't seem to understand this.

Sure, you may want him to clean your garage, rake the leaves from your yard, fix your car and do your laundry. But I don't know many guys (or women) who list washing dishes as their kink. Most do these household chores because they feed into some other related fetish. You need to understand that and make it a win/win.

I recently had a situation where I started serving a new Domme and she invited me to her house and had me do a list of household chores. I did them, and she critiqued my work. She told me all of the things that I did wrong, and never thanked me or acknowledged anything that I had done right. The second time I went to her house had instructed me where to find a key that she had left for me. When I got into her house, she had a list of chores posted for me. I was to do them and leave when I was finished. I did so. I never saw her and she barely mentioned it when we talked on the phone. The third time I went to her house, she had a long list of chores for me to complete. I did them, and she didn't talk to me or stay in the room with me when I did any of them. Once I completed the work, she never thanked me or even inspected the work. There was no fourth visit. I informed her that I felt like the dynamic was one-sided and that she wasn't giving me anything in return for my service, so I wouldn't be returning. She accused me of not being a "real service sub" and said I was topping from the bottom. What she failed to understand was that I gave her far more service than she had actually "inspired", and that she didn't give me equal value (or ANY value) in return. I wasn't looking for a blowjob in return. I didn't expect her to get naked. I didn't ask for a "session". But I did expect some positive feedback and an indication that my service had pleased her. That would have inspired me to want to do more. But lacking that, I just felt like the unpaid help. If that's what she's looking for, she can call Merry Maids and pay them.

Remember, even "service subs" require SOMETHING in return. As the Domme, it's your job to understand what that is and to make sure you're at least trying to keep them happy. Remember, service subs don't grow on trees. When you find one, isn't it worthwhile to try to keep them happy?
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RE: How do you inspire service? - 11/13/2016 8:51:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MaidMonkey
Without going into the mists of drama that followed, a group of femdoms apart of another site recently had a bitch session about the lack of quality slaves coming out to our events. A lot of it was femdoms demanding service because of their indifinable qualities as a femdom when one boy asked what were the women doing to inspire their service?

A lot of drama came after that, but it did have me thinking...what do I do to inspire service from a/my sub? So many women on here spend their time screaming and demanding service then getting enraged when it isn't given or the quality of service is bad. (I'm looking at the findoms here...)

So I thought I would ask the good people of collarspace and pray to baby Jesus that this thread does not turn into a wreck.

Ladies, what do you do to inspire service?

Bottom types, how does a Domme inspire service from you?

Edited because autocorrect hates me.

Fair warning. I'm probably one of the people who would have contributed to the sh^tstorm. I honestly don't believe in the concept of "inspiring service". I'm of the older generation that says, "if you are going to be here, you are going to contribute". I'm not your girlfriend and my house is not some kind of kinky bed and breakfast. If you want to be treated like a guest of a hotel, as though you are on some kind of vacation , you can go to any travel agent and find some lovely brochures.

Sounds harsh, but sitting on your ass is not a "service". I really don't believe that I have to tell most grown people that the same stuff that needs to be done if you were at home is the same, exact stuff that needs to be done here. If you honestly can't figure out that *somebody* has to do the dishes you eat off of, clean the plays pace that want to enjoy, the same furniture needs to be dusted, and the linens you are sleeping on need to be done in the spare room, yet you want my time and attention... Yeah, that's probably not going to work out. I really don't believe I should have to tell someone to pick up a can of Pledge and a rag.

While I don't particularly believe in the theory of "inspiring service," I'd have turned that same thing right back around and asked, "what are you doing to inspire me"? You want the play, the kink, and all of the stuff that you benefit from by being here. All of that stuff takes MY time, and time is a limited quality. I could invest that same time, without you, and be ready to go to the club within an hour and find people to play with who aren't YOU. If that's the case, I'll just play with other people. There's no shortage of people who want to take the bottom role and have fun.

Community. I have some very specific opinions about community, where again, I just expect you to be a grown up. You want that club/event to survive and thrive? Why do you think you are the exception to making it so? THINK about your local club! What goes into it? From the time you walked in until the time you leave, what did other people contribute? Was the space clean, organized, did somebody show up, even just to turn the lights and the heat on, so you could be comfortable there? Who spent their time procuring and using cleaning supplies? Who did the preparation for hosting and giving educational nights? Who took your money at the door? Why aren't you taking DM shifts? Why aren't YOU giving formal classes from the left side of the slash? Why aren't you contributing?

See? That's on you. Whether I'm a part of your life or not, the responsibility is supposed to be there.




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RE: How do you inspire service? - 12/26/2016 4:04:10 PM   
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I realize I am late to the party here ... but there are not a lot of posts. LOL So I will add my two cents worth.

As a male on the submissive side of the kneel; i will say yes, i CAN be inspired to serve a Lady ... and the inspiration begins with Her!

RedMajic1 explained it pretty well ... but I will add, its not necessarily love; but romantic attraction.

Some Dommes i have met and fallen over my self to try to please.

Other Dommes, well, they can go fly a kite, they don't impact me.

The Difference between those two reactions?

Romantic Attraction ...

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RE: How do you inspire service? - 12/27/2016 1:01:03 PM   
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My gf likes to see what the woman may need in her life or is missing and use that to inspire her to do what she wants.

Well, when I got into all of this I was sort of blind sided and had no idea that I was being "trained" to obey her. I had moved into her apartment to get away from an abusive bf. I was a straight woman at the time but I did have a girl crush in a non sexual way on my gf even from before then. I am on the quiet timid side so strong, assertive and aggressive people tend to draw me to them and them to me and I rend to put them on a pedestal. It has happened with women before but not in a sexual way. My gf was also my protector and I felt extremely obligated to her for all she had done for me and she quickly caught on that I was acting like a little puppy dog around her. I just lived to please her any chance I could get. Again, non sexual at this time.

When she started flirting with me, I thought it was just innocent fun and would some times flirt back. The flirting gradually became more and more aggressive but it was so subtle I didn't realize how aggressive it was becoming until she was actually pinning me against things and "playfully" or "accidentally" touching me in inappropriate ways. Or pinning me on the bed and holding me down as she tickled me and just wouldn't stop. She is around 8 inches taller than me and near 100lbs heavier so when she did these things it was a very dominant type of fun. A big one was she was always hugging me and not letting me go. She is extremely busty so when she hugged me because of the height difference my head was crushed into her boobs. I HATED this also because I did not really like being touched because of the abuse and she knew this. She told me she was doing it to help me get use to being touched again. In hind-site, she was training me to be physically submissive to her. As it escalated from there I finally started protesting what she was doing. More because it was starting to turn me on despite myself then for her doing it. She took the attitude of me being a prude and she was just playing around and I needed to loosen up a little. I actually felt bad for saying anything to her so when it started happening again, I kept my mouth shut and tried to fight the excitement she was building in me.

Around this time she also subtly introduced the idea of me obeying her to me. At first she would nicely ask me to do some chore around the house. I was more than happy to do them as it was one way of paying her back. Then she started asking me to give her foot and shoulder massages. I was a little uncomfortable with this at first but I got use to it. I was just so glad that I could do something for her at all. So I eagerly accepted the heartfelt thank you's and long hugs she gave me for a job well done. But soon, she stopped asking me to do things and started "telling" me to do them.She became more and more critical of how I did them and the compliments were few and far between. And no more hugs that I had surprisingly began to look forward to. I found myself trying real hard for her to compliment me on whatever job I had done for her. I think this plays back to when i was young and found it very hard to please my mother but when ever I did she would give me a big hug and reward me some how. I would glow for days. I was getting the same desire to please my gf as I had for my mother.

But next she went further and now expected things to be done without her telling me to do them. I quickly learned to anticipate her needs. She would come home and I would be ready to rub her feet and shoulders for her without being asked. Or I knew to make the beds and wash the dishes before I sat down with her on the couch. And I knew how to do her laundry just right and where everything was to be placed. All this was before we ever had sex for the first time. My reward was a simple "good job." Or a minor critique of how to do it better next time. I was more than happy to do it because I loved pleasing her. The one time I said something was when she ordered me to do something at a party in front of people. She called me an ingrate when were were alone and I could just leave if i didn't like it. I was mortified and begged her forgiveness without even thinking about it.

When we finally started having sex, I was just conditioned to obey her by then. I learned how to please her and how she liked to be touched and how she wanted sex from me and it just became my pleasure to hear her say, "good girl." And pat me on the head when I learned something new. So in this way I will try things I may not like for myself to please her and thus I get great enjoyment from it as well.

Once we stated having sex my gf hired a maid as she felt my time would be better applied in servicing her in other ways. :)

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