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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/14/2016 8:54:04 PM

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Almost like a cult... isn't it.

No.

Cults are organized and tend to have leaders telling everyone what to do.
This is an expression of rage.

And for the RWNJs--- please don't say that Hillary is the leader. These people aren't demanding that Hillary be president.
They just don't want Trump to be president.

There's a difference.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/14/2016 9:03:40 PM

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Smoke & mirrors easily distract the simple- minded.

Yes, call people stupid for not agreeing with your dishonest, uninformed theories.

It's really difficult to accept that anyone could seriously think that Trump hasn't been aggressively pissing people off since the GOP primaries. You didn't hear about all the violence at his rallies? You don't remember the Khan family? HINT: the point wasn't that they just didn't like Trump, the point wasn't that Trump was an asshole to them-- the point was they were Muslims who were afraid of what a Trump win would do to the country, and what it would mean for them as Muslims.

Anyways, didn't you say that you hadn't even been paying attention until election night? You can't go from blissful ignorance to superior insight overnight.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/14/2016 9:23:00 PM

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Smoke & mirrors easily distract the simple- minded.

Yes, call people stupid for not agreeing with your dishonest, uninformed theories.

It's really difficult to accept that anyone could seriously think that Trump hasn't been aggressively pissing people off since the GOP primaries. You didn't hear about all the violence at his rallies? You don't remember the Khan family? HINT: the point wasn't that they just didn't like Trump, the point wasn't that Trump was an asshole to them-- the point was they were Muslims who were afraid of what a Trump win would do to the country, and what it would mean for them as Muslims.

Anyways, didn't you say that you hadn't even been paying attention until election night? You can't go from blissful ignorance to superior insight overnight.

You do know that Democrats were going to Trump rallies for the express purpose of starting fights?

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/14/2016 9:25:30 PM

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Smoke & mirrors easily distract the simple- minded.

Yes, call people stupid for not agreeing with your dishonest, uninformed theories.

It's really difficult to accept that anyone could seriously think that Trump hasn't been aggressively pissing people off since the GOP primaries. You didn't hear about all the violence at his rallies? You don't remember the Khan family? HINT: the point wasn't that they just didn't like Trump, the point wasn't that Trump was an asshole to them-- the point was they were Muslims who were afraid of what a Trump win would do to the country, and what it would mean for them as Muslims.

Anyways, didn't you say that you hadn't even been paying attention until election night? You can't go from blissful ignorance to superior insight overnight.

No, i didn't say that. I've paid as much attention as i could stand.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/14/2016 9:28:37 PM

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Almost like a cult... isn't it.

No.

Cults are organized and tend to have leaders telling everyone what to do.
This is an expression of rage.

And for the RWNJs--- please don't say that Hillary is the leader. These people aren't demanding that Hillary be president.
They just don't want Trump to be president.

There's a difference.

Does this mean they want Trump to step aside and let Pence be President?

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/14/2016 9:47:03 PM

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Does this mean they want Trump to step aside and let Pence be President?

It actually might help, since he doesn't have the stink of all that racist rhetoric on him and was sort of a counterpoint to Trump's total lack of self-control. They would probably more willingly accept Paul Ryan simply because he stood up to Trump a lot more openly.

But it still won't change the fact that the GOP allowed itself to become a tool through which a totally unsuitable candidate openly promoted discrimination. Trump is to blame, sure... but so are the people who enabled him.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/14/2016 9:48:39 PM

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You didn't hear about all the violence at his rallies?

Violence at his Rally has been proven that it was orchestrated by Clinton's camp to incite Trump's Rally to violence. So non-point.

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You don't remember the Khan family?

He did nothing to disrespect the Khan Family at all. And it is very true that Islam is a religion that oppresses women. Thanks to civil laws in western countries, it cannot be legally impose. But in Muslim countries. Women are still suffering from the teachings of THAT religion!

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the point was they were Muslims who were afraid of what a Trump win would do to the country, and what it would mean for them as Muslims.

Good. Let's all remember that being Muslim is simply an Ideology like being a Nazi or a KKK. They have a choice. They don't have to be a Muslim for life. Maybe time for them to pick another religion or just be an atheist! Choose another religion! A more peaceful one and one that actually treats women as equal human beings. I suggest Buddhism. The only religion who doesn't teach you to treat women as inferior beings.

While the left criticized the right for clinging on to their guns, as that is their belief in their way of life. I would criticize Muslims clinging to their outdated belief created by some 7th Century uneducated barbarian. Maybe they should change their beliefs too.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/14/2016 9:48:46 PM

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You do know that Democrats were going to Trump rallies for the express purpose of starting fights?

Oh right, they were just evil people looking to start fights and it had nothing to do with what Trump was saying.

Ahh I just realized you were referencing a right wing conspiracy theory based on videos made by a propagandist and picked up by FOX and other RWNJ news sites...

I don't even want to respond to that.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/14/2016 9:52:26 PM

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Does this mean they want Trump to step aside and let Pence be President?

It actually might help, since he doesn't have the stink of all that racist rhetoric on him and was sort of a counterpoint to Trump's total lack of self-control. They would probably more willingly accept Paul Ryan simply because he stood up to Trump a lot more openly.

But it still won't change the fact that the GOP allowed itself to become a tool through which a totally unsuitable candidate openly promoted discrimination. Trump is to blame, sure... but so are the people who enabled him.

If he was totally unsuitable what does that say about Hillary? The first two debates it was Trump vs Hillary and the moderator. ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN ,and the NyT bragged about siding with Hilary. And still he won. As Obama said elections have consequences and he won, live with it and try again next time.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/14/2016 9:58:35 PM

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Hillary is to blame, and the Democrats. Hillary is most likely the only opponent he could beat. If they hadn't put up the worst person they had they most likely would have won. You don't dump the guy who won because the losers still don't like him, with that standard nobody but Washington would have been able to take office.

You can't even stay on topic.

I said that Ryan or Pence would probably be more popular with the protestors (which is the topic of this thread), and now you're talking about Hillary, and winners and losers.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/14/2016 10:06:01 PM

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Hillary is to blame, and the Democrats. Hillary is most likely the only opponent he could beat. If they hadn't put up the worst person they had they most likely would have won. You don't dump the guy who won because the losers still don't like him, with that standard nobody but Washington would have been able to take office.

You can't even stay on topic.

I said that Ryan or Pence would probably be more popular with the protestors (which is the topic of this thread), and now you're talking about Hillary, and winners and losers.

Yes I can, they need to act like adults and go home. You can't discuss their actions without discussing their goals, and make no mistake the idea is to make so much trouble that Trump steps aside, or they scare the Electors into giving it to Hillary. The ultimate goal is to put Hillary in the White House regardless of how the election turned out.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/14/2016 10:11:00 PM

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Hillary is to blame, and the Democrats. Hillary is most likely the only opponent he could beat. If they hadn't put up the worst person they had they most likely would have won. You don't dump the guy who won because the losers still don't like him, with that standard nobody but Washington would have been able to take office.

You can't even stay on topic.

I said that Ryan or Pence would probably be more popular with the protestors (which is the topic of this thread), and now you're talking about Hillary, and winners and losers.

Yes I can, they need to act like adults and go home. You can't discuss their actions without discussing their goals, and make no mistake the idea is to make so much trouble that Trump steps aside, or they scare the Electors into giving it to Hillary. The ultimate goal is to put Hillary in the White House regardless of how the election turned out.

If that happens, crayons and coloring sheets won't even begin to help them deal with what will happen.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/14/2016 10:11:14 PM

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People think Pence is evil because he is traditionally far right. Yet he definitely has the dignified demeanor of a President, that can conduct himself appropriately with foreign leaders isn't it? I thought that's what people are complaining about Trump gonna antagonize all foreign leaders. It's really hilarious compared to Pence, people see Trump as the lesser evil.

I've always said Trump is actually quite centrist and moderate.

He is just nice, right in the middle. He supports social liberalism. And conservative values on fiscal matters.

He just has no PR skills. That is his biggest weakness. But I don't think Americans are known for diplomacy to be honest.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/14/2016 10:11:26 PM

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I said that Ryan or Pence would probably be more popular with the protestors (which is the topic of this thread)

Who would be more popular with the protestors is not the topic of this thread.

For further assistance, consult the thread title.

K.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/14/2016 10:13:27 PM

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Yes I can, they need to act like adults and go home. You can't discuss their actions without discussing their goals, and make no mistake the idea is to make so much trouble that Trump steps aside, or they scare the Electors into giving it to Hillary. The ultimate goal is to put Hillary in the White House regardless of how the election turned out.

Circular reasoning strikes again.

I don't think I'll be able to take this much further if you make a point of just ignoring anything that you don't want to hear.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/14/2016 10:17:39 PM

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They seem to think this is a negotiation. There is no negotiating to be done. That is what Obama is even telling them. It's done.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/14/2016 10:33:33 PM

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They seem to think this is a negotiation. There is no negotiating to be done. That is what Obama is even telling them. It's done.

They're desperate to get out of a shitty situation.
Exactly how far they are willing to go remains to be seen.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/14/2016 10:36:35 PM

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I said that Ryan or Pence would probably be more popular with the protestors (which is the topic of this thread)

Who would be more popular with the protestors is not the topic of this thread.

For further assistance, consult the thread title.

K.

Okay, so the protestors ARE the topic of this thread.

I didn't sleep well so I made a little grammar slip... I guess you can dismiss everything I say now, not that you weren't already doing just that.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/14/2016 10:37:24 PM

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They seem to think this is a negotiation. There is no negotiating to be done. That is what Obama is even telling them. It's done.

They're desperate to get out of a shitty situation.

Well boo-fucking-hoo. A lot of people didn't like Obama either, and they had to watch him get elected twice.

K.

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RE: These aren't "protests" - 11/14/2016 10:57:49 PM

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Well boo-fucking-hoo. A lot of people didn't like Obama either, and they had to watch him get elected twice.

Obama didn't use hate speech, scapegoat any ethnic group or present himself as an authoritarian.
Again, I find it hard to believe that anyone can not see that Trump is different from a normal candidate.

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