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blnymph -> RE: Islam (11/30/2016 2:21:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 I don't believe that to be true. Secular law trumps religious rules and most religions acknowledge that. And to take just one example, the ten commandments, actually mimic most western society secular law. Or to be more exact, western secular law is loosely based on christian principles and values and generally the two don't clash. In that sense, secular law can be quite easily separated from religious teaching. Most christian religions are quite happy (generally) to tell followers to obey the law first and accept that religion is usually second in line. Islamic doctrine is completely different. For them, Islam IS the law. And many will follow Islamic practices against secular law quite deliberately. Many Muslims believe it is Islam first, secular law second. That is why we hear of so many honour killings, FGM and arranged marriages; they firmly believe they are right and justified to do those things because it is allowed within Islam. Quite a different outlook on secular law compared to most christian-based religions. This is the distinction she is pointing out which you seem to fail to grasp. IMHO, she is not wrong. Your memory is quite short imho - the last war among christians based on religious differences happened less than 20 years ago, and only about 2 years ago an infamous UK "Reverend" died who for decades publicly appealed never ever to surrender "not an inch" of privileges to those who did not share his view of politics and christianity. These "Christians" most happily ignored not only secular law but also the ten commandments when they saw the chance to put their religion first. I do not want to spoil your romantic notions about "good" religion there and "bad" religion wherever else; but past and present of religions is bloody and violent whatever directions and body postures they choose for prayers.

PeonForHer -> RE: Islam (11/30/2016 2:59:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker NO, I am NOT defending or advocating religious states of any denomination, just saying that there's a difference between being a Muslim and being a citizen of an Islamic State. quote: Not to a Muslim. What? FD, that is such an extreme position. In your interactions with British Muslims to date, this is seriously what your intuition tells you?

truckinslave -> RE: Islam (11/30/2016 3:24:26 PM)
Yes. She's apostate

Greta75 -> RE: Islam (11/30/2016 7:02:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker If a Muslim lives in a non-Islamic state, I'm pretty sure they know that they could get into serious trouble if they ignore the laws of the country they're living in. If they DON'T understand this, they're going to end up learning the hard way. Except the "hard way" in a foreign country, would sacrificed themselves knowing, will lead them to heaven according to their Religion. So many will risk it. The Quran even call the ones who do nothing cowards and hell is awaiting for them. Gawd did you even read those fainting and fasting links I posted? How worried and fearful they feel despite how ill they feel, about breaking fast in daylight hours, AS IF Allah is gonna strike them dead, IF they dare break fast. Can you imagine for some of them? The anxiety of hell awaits them if they don't participate in Jihad? This religion is just pure evil. Christianity seem to be the easiest religion to reach heaven lol. Just accept Christ into your heart and he will forgive all your sins. Buddhist, all of us are going to hell no matter how good we are as we are imperfect and will surely be punish for every single fuck up we did in life. And Muslims gets sent to hell for not being a terrorist.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Islam (11/30/2016 7:44:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph Your memory is quite short imho - the last war among christians based on religious differences happened less than 20 years ago, and only about 2 years ago an infamous UK "Reverend" died who for decades publicly appealed never ever to surrender "not an inch" of privileges to those who did not share his view of politics and christianity. These "Christians" most happily ignored not only secular law but also the ten commandments when they saw the chance to put their religion first. I do not want to spoil your romantic notions about "good" religion there and "bad" religion wherever else; but past and present of religions is bloody and violent whatever directions and body postures they choose for prayers. And here you are talking about one man and a short religious disagreement between a handful of pious people. I'm struggling to think of a christian 'war' in the last 20 years. I'm tarring the majority of Islamics with the same broad brush because that is my take on conversations with Islamics (friends and foes alike) around me. That's a very big difference. I cannot think of one single Muslim that I've met or spoken to that doesn't think that it is Islam first and secular laws second. You only have to see the recent rise of Islamic attacks on the west (particularly France) and the rise of Islamic "courts" in the UK. They say they are only advisory councils but many Muslims who seek their "advice" consider it above western laws. And then there are many Muslim women who claim, as a last resort, that they were unfairly treated by said Islamic courts and eventually turn to our judiciary for support. Many Muslim support groups are inundated with calls from Muslim women since they were formed recently. That alone tells you that they hold Islam to be above the law in the first instance. And here's another thing... Satirists have always poked fun at everyone regardless of faith, creed or colour. Most take it with a pinch of salt and see it as nothing more than fun. Yet only Muslims carry out death threats and attack innocent people as a result. Why? Because they think the same; Islam first, secular law second. You don't see the same backlash from other religions.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Islam (11/30/2016 7:54:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer What? FD, that is such an extreme position. In your interactions with British Muslims to date, this is seriously what your intuition tells you? Not my intuition Peon, it's not guesswork on my part. It's what I am told categorically by those Muslims around me here. I have about two dozen or so Muslim friends and probably an equal number of enemies. They follow Islam. Period. They admire and condone honour killings; it is their right under Islam. That's straight from the horse's mouth. They do whatever they absolutely have to so as not to be hauled to jail under our laws. Beyond that (or if they think they can get away with it), it is Islamic law first and foremost.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Islam (11/30/2016 9:03:08 PM)
quote: there is no Christian equivalent to Islam's goal of wedding state and religion. LOLOLOLOLOLOL

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Islam (11/30/2016 9:05:43 PM)
quote: Goign without eating and drinking from 7am to 7pm is still a challenge. Yeah it is, I have done it and more (for economic reasons), but that's not what you said dear. So go ahead and spin away, spin like a fucking gyroscope. I don't care. You and I both know you are wrong, and that is good enough for me.

Greta75 -> RE: Islam (11/30/2016 11:57:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: Goign without eating and drinking from 7am to 7pm is still a challenge. Yeah it is, I have done it and more (for economic reasons), but that's not what you said dear. So go ahead and spin away, spin like a fucking gyroscope. I don't care. You and I both know you are wrong, and that is good enough for me. Are you saying not eating or drinking any liquids for 12 hours is not a challenge? I would have gotten bladder infection from dehydration and peeing blood by the end of the day!

thompsonx -> RE: Islam (12/1/2016 3:10:59 AM)
ORIGINAL: Greta75 Come to think of it. Those living in countries with 3 hours of daylight only, should be Muslims! Fasting will be so much easier! Ha! And countries with seasons gotta be worst. like daylight at 4am and sun goes down at 9pm. That's way more than 12 hours of no food and water! Which countries would these be? You have told us how you were educated in a country with the highest educational standards in the world but it would seem that you were in the shithouse smokin' fags when they were teaching geography. The countries you are describing are the same. Maybe you could get an adult who actully went to school to explane it to you.

Curmudgeonly1 -> RE: Islam (12/1/2016 3:13:10 AM)
"Ted Nugent just dropped a metaphorical bomb on Islamic terrorists. In the Muslim religion, porn and pork products are forbidden to be consumed or even touched, as the pig is an impure animal. "Nugent’s announcement came in the form of a Facebook post that reads: “Chimps & pigs, a match made in hell. ES&D voodooallahpukes. "Percy the pig makes for an extremely interesting read. I never knew pigs were in most products!!” "Nugent is pointing out that any Muslim who has handled TNT, Nitro, Bullets, High Explosive Bombs, or Rocket Launchers offers been contaminated with pig products. Furthermore, pork products are used in most stitches, antibiotics, and vitamin capsules, meaning that any Muslim who provides been treated for an injury after their attack has probably also been contaminated. "When a Suicide Bomber explodes, his body parts mix in with the Gelatine and Glycerine from the explosive. These products are made from pigs, and therefore by the laws of Islam these bombers would not be accepted by Allah. "Pig bone gelatine is also used to help transport gunpowder or cordite into bullets. It is also not necessary for any manufacturers to specified what animal the gelatine they use is from. Mix this with the fact that such a wide array of medical products use pork, it is almost impossible for a Muslim to avoid pig altogether. While this is a tragedy for the nonviolent Muslim, Nugent chose instead to focus on how it impacts terrorists, who could be in for a rude awakening when they reach the afterlife." http://www.usatwentyfour.com/ted-nugent-just-pissed-off-every-islamic-terrorist-world-pointing-one-huge-fact/ ya gotta larf [sm=anger.gif]

thompsonx -> RE: Islam (12/1/2016 3:28:00 AM)
ORIGINAL: bounty44 share this with him greta, he likes it: If I disagree with another poster I will deliniate my disagreement with validation from reputable sources. When proved wrong I admit it and thank the poster for disabusing me of my ignorance. I have been proved wrong in less than a half dozen cases with more than 20,000 post. so in this case he'll either be thanking you for "disabusing him of his ignorance" or providing information from reputable sources that no muslims ever faint during Ramadan (good luck on that one troll). No dummbass I will be pointing out the fact that claiming that you saw someone faint and claim it is for the reason you choose is fatuous. I will point out that claiming to see several people out of a group of over a billion people is stastically irrelevant. I will point out that: Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

thompsonx -> RE: Islam (12/1/2016 3:38:12 AM)
ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 What tamaka is saying is that for Islam, there is no distinction between law and religion; they are one and the same. The Islamic religion depicts the law as well. That is not true for most other religions on the planet. They might like to think that they control peoples lives but laws usually get in the way somewhere along the line. For Islamics, they don't recognise anything other than Islamic doctrine. They barely pay lip-service to any other laws and do as little as they absolutely must to not get hauled into jail. If muslims or any other punk breaks the law in my country they are arested and tried by our courts. If you think you or any other person is immune from that come here and try it. This is what she is saying. What the idiot from idaho is saying is that he hates muslims and nothing less.

thompsonx -> RE: Islam (12/1/2016 3:43:33 AM)
ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 What tamaka is saying is that for Islam, there is no distinction between law and religion; they are one and the same. The Islamic religion depicts the law as well. That is not true for most other religions on the planet. They might like to think that they control peoples lives but laws usually get in the way somewhere along the line. For Islamics, they don't recognise anything other than Islamic doctrine. They barely pay lip-service to any other laws and do as little as they absolutely must to not get hauled into jail. If muslims or any other punk breaks the law in my country they are arested and tried by our courts. If you think you or any other person is immune from that come here and try it.

thompsonx -> RE: Islam (12/1/2016 3:53:52 AM)
ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 I don't believe that to be true. Facts are relevent not what you "believe" Secular law trumps religious rules and most religions acknowledge that. You might want to look up the conflicts between the jehova witneses, mormons,mennonites, amish, chirstian scientist, scientologist,westboro baptist and a whole slew of other punkassmotherfuckers who are constantly in conflict with civil authorities. And to take just one example, the ten commandments, actually mimic most western society secular law. I am the Lord, your God. Not the law in my country Thou shall bring no false idols before me. Not the law in my country Do not take the name of the Lord in vain. Not the law in my country Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy. Not the law in my country Honor thy father and thy mother. Not the law in my countrty Thou shall not kill/murder†. yup Thou shall not commit adultery. Not the law in my country Thou shall not steal††. Yup Thou shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.Not the law in my country Thou shall not covet‡ your neighbor's wife (or anything that belongs to your neighbor). Not the law in my country Or to be more exact, western secular law is loosely based on christian principles and values and generally the two don't clash. In that sense, secular law can be quite easily separated from religious teaching. Most christian religions are quite happy (generally) to tell followers to obey the law first and accept that religion is usually second in line. Islamic doctrine is completely different. For them, Islam IS the law. And many will follow Islamic practices against secular law quite deliberately. Many Muslims believe it is Islam first, secular law second. That is why we hear of so many honour killings, FGM and arranged marriages; they firmly believe they are right and justified to do those things because it is allowed within Islam. Quite a different outlook on secular law compared to most christian-based religions. This is the distinction she is pointing out which you seem to fail to grasp. IMHO, she is not wrong. See above to verify your ignorance

thishereboi -> RE: Islam (12/1/2016 3:56:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka You are referring to the Quran i would suppose. he's referring to your posting anything negative about islam. its the pet religion of the left. Strange since Islam is so antithetical to everything the left espouses to stand for. While that is true, they have been trying really hard to paint the entire right as a bunch of racists and they are going to use anything they can to help that along.

thompsonx -> RE: Islam (12/1/2016 3:57:09 AM)
ORIGINAL: truckinslave Yes. She's apostate Ain't you the punkassmotherfucker who said he would fire any of your employees who voted different than you?

thishereboi -> RE: Islam (12/1/2016 4:04:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer If you were to meet a Muslim, get to know her well ... and begin to realise that she doesn't think of you as subhuman at all ... would you then think she's not a true or real Muslim? I believe that she will think of me what her religion teaches her to think of me. Today they might not be stressing those things but someday they will. The ideology is one of supremacy in every way. We need to understand what we are actually dealing with. I believe Islam is like a trojan horse right now. When you are done gazing into that crystal ball to see what the religions of the world are going to do sometime in the future, could you check out next weeks power ball numbers. I could really use some cash for the holidays. But all jokes aside you are doing the same thing with islam that some posters here do with christianity and lump them all into one tidy little package and claim they all have the same exact thoughts and beliefs and that's just bullshit.

PeonForHer -> RE: Islam (12/1/2016 4:05:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer What? FD, that is such an extreme position. In your interactions with British Muslims to date, this is seriously what your intuition tells you? Not my intuition Peon, it's not guesswork on my part. It's what I am told categorically by those Muslims around me here. I have about two dozen or so Muslim friends and probably an equal number of enemies. They follow Islam. Period. They admire and condone honour killings; it is their right under Islam. That's straight from the horse's mouth. They do whatever they absolutely have to so as not to be hauled to jail under our laws. Beyond that (or if they think they can get away with it), it is Islamic law first and foremost. They tell you, an obvious infidel and someone who probably comes across as at least suspicious of them, that they believe in these things? How do you get to know them so well that they'll do that? Also, how can you and those two dozen Muslims be friends if you and they hold to such different principles? That would be like me being chums with a bunch of goosesteppers. This all baffles me, FD!

thompsonx -> RE: Islam (12/1/2016 4:15:54 AM)
ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 And here you are talking about one man and a short religious disagreement between a handful of pious people. I'm struggling to think of a christian 'war' in the last 20 years. Why is it that you discount non muslim violence if it has not occured in the past 20 years but are content to rag on the muslims for a thousand years of violence. Is their a statute of limitations on religious idiocracry if it ain't muslim? I'm tarring the majority of Islamics with the same broad brush because that is my take on conversations with Islamics (friends and foes alike) around me. That's a very big difference. I cannot think of one single Muslim that I've met or spoken to that doesn't think that it is Islam first and secular laws second. How many chiristians would follow civil law if they felt it would endanger their "imortal soul"? Consider the pro-life jesus phreque who's daughter gets knocked up. Abortion is legal but they choose not to avail themselves of civil law because to do so would endanger their "immortal soul". You only have to see the recent rise of Islamic attacks on the west (particularly France) and the rise of Islamic "courts" in the UK. They say they are only advisory councils but many Muslims who seek their "advice" consider it above western laws. And then there are many Muslim women who claim, as a last resort, that they were unfairly treated by said Islamic courts and eventually turn to our judiciary for support. Wouldn't that be proof that those muslim women do not put islamic law above civil law. I know of a muslim woman here in california who had her muslim husband put in jail for beating her ass. He caught her phoquing the pool boy. His "homies" put up his bail and when he went home the locks had been changed and he was slapped with a restraining order, so he spent a couple of months riding the couch in the homes of his "homies" Once he got "his mind right" and realized he was in amerika where that shit don't float she let him back in the house. He like living here and he likes the money he makes here and is not about to jeprodize it for the mythical "sky jocky" Many Muslim support groups are inundated with calls from Muslim women since they were formed recently. That alone tells you that they hold Islam to be above the law in the first instance. And here's another thing... Satirists have always poked fun at everyone regardless of faith, creed or colour. Wrong. Until relatively recently only the "kings jester" was allowed that priviledge. Have you ever seen "rigaletto"? Most take it with a pinch of salt and see it as nothing more than fun. Yet only Muslims carry out death threats and attack innocent people as a result. Ever hear of the ira?

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