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How does it feel to need? - 12/19/2016 10:38:46 PM   
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My Master asked me this question recently and it really got stuck in my head for some reason. I think it's because for so long i didn't let myself feel much of anything at all. At the moment i was in very deep need... i didn't really answer Him but i think it made me more desiring to fulfill His needs while He created such deep needs in me. I guess maybe i'm over- thinking it but i wonder if we become dispassionate towards one another when either all of our needs are met for a while (we probably take it for granted) or when our needs haven't been met so long that we just harden up so we can't feel anything negative resulting from unmet needs.

I keep coming back to this wondering how it effects all of the human interactions in this world. Maybe those of us who are into bdsm- type things would be more sensitive to this topic because they are more self- aware?
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RE: How does it feel to need? - 12/19/2016 10:44:21 PM   
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I am honestly extremely sexually addicted to specifically only my best sex.

His sexual spirit flows with my sexual spirit. Our BDSM and Vanilla are just perfectly insync with each other. I can trust him completely to lead sexually or plan the whole BDSM. He is practically the male version of me. Our sexuality are exactly the same. I always tell him, don't tell me anything now. I don't want to know his plans. I trust him completely. And this is a very big deal, because usually with the rest of my fuck buddies, I often micro-manage everything that can happen sexually. In a way, yes I am topping from bottom.

But with my best sex, I experience real freedom, truly letting go of all control.

And the feeling is extremely addicting to be able to meet someone you could let go with.

I feel like a need is like an addiction. And then you go through massive withdrawals when you don't get him as much as you need him.

In my case, my best sex job involves alot of traveling, so we have limited time together.

And I was just thinking, if I had married my x-dom. His job is just as bad. He may only be able to come home to me 2 months in 1 year. That really sucks! I can't do this long distance thing.

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RE: How does it feel to need? - 12/20/2016 5:54:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka
My Master asked me this question recently and it really got stuck in my head for some reason. I think it's because for so long i didn't let myself feel much of anything at all. At the moment i was in very deep need... i didn't really answer Him but i think it made me more desiring to fulfill His needs while He created such deep needs in me. I guess maybe i'm over- thinking it but i wonder if we become dispassionate towards one another when either all of our needs are met for a while (we probably take it for granted) or when our needs haven't been met so long that we just harden up so we can't feel anything negative resulting from unmet needs.

You'll have to color me confused. Considering you never specify exactly which "need" you felt you had, it's impossible for anybody to address the direct subject.

However, my curiosity is always piqued when I begin to wonder if a person is over-using the term need or if they are possibly interchanging it with what I would consider more appropriately termed a want. In my opinion, the term need is not always taken in the most literal sense because we easily confuse it with a strong preference or a high desire in a particular moment. Even if I say something as frivolous as "I need new shoes," when I have ten pairs of perfectly good shoes in the closet, I've really just misused the term.

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I keep coming back to this wondering how it effects all of the human interactions in this world. Maybe those of us who are into bdsm- type things would be more sensitive to this topic because they are more self- aware?

Tripe and hogwash. Anytime I see somebody attempt to imply that people into BDSM or certain types of relationships are "more" anything are generally dipping into the arrogance pool and have come to some sort of conclusion that, because they enjoy such things, they have decided they are superior in some way. People into BDSM are not 'more' anything compared to any other category people. Not smarter, more educated, better enlightened, self-aware, or any other thing. Sure, some people try to fluff it up, but it really comes down to that, we have found the things we enjoy and we exploit them for our own purposes.



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RE: How does it feel to need? - 12/20/2016 6:35:41 AM   
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You need to clarify what need you're speaking about. As LP said I wonder what you are talking about is want versus actual need? There are many things in life I want, few are actual needs that I need to have. If had to I could do without BDSM, do I want to? No. But if I had to I could.

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RE: How does it feel to need? - 12/20/2016 10:03:31 AM   
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Tripe and hogwash. Anytime I see somebody attempt to imply that people into BDSM or certain types of relationships are "more" anything are generally dipping into the arrogance pool and have come to some sort of conclusion that, because they enjoy such things, they have decided they are superior in some way. People into BDSM are not 'more' anything compared to any other category people. Not smarter, more educated, better enlightened, self-aware, or any other thing. Sure, some people try to fluff it up, but it really comes down to that, we have found the things we enjoy and we exploit them for our own purposes.







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RE: How does it feel to need? - 12/20/2016 10:10:34 AM   
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Tripe and hogwash. Anytime I see somebody attempt to imply that people into BDSM or certain types of relationships are "more" anything are generally dipping into the arrogance pool and have come to some sort of conclusion that, because they enjoy such things, they have decided they are superior in some way. People into BDSM are not 'more' anything compared to any other category people. Not smarter, more educated, better enlightened, self-aware, or any other thing. Sure, some people try to fluff it up, but it really comes down to that, we have found the things we enjoy and we exploit them for our own purposes.








Totally agreed. its utter cobblers.
Communication IS a need, in any relationship. Vanilla or kinky.


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RE: How does it feel to need? - 12/20/2016 11:12:26 AM   
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People into BDSM are not 'more' anything compared to any other category people. Not smarter, more educated, better enlightened, self-aware, or any other thing. Sure, some people try to fluff it up, but it really comes down to that, we have found the things we enjoy and we exploit them for our own purposes. [/color]

Personally, it's not about BDSM. It's about people into things that are not societally acceptable. When they meet someone who understands, and bond. Is deeper than people who are into normal things, and bond with each other.

So even if it's not BDSM.

Let's say, what if a perfectly straight male, just happen to have a fetish to love dressing up as a woman. BUT sexually he is completely straight. That's not exactly BDSM.

And then he meets a vanilla woman who completely accepts him. And allows him to go out with her all the time dress as a woman. Even together with their kids.

I would say their relationship is on another level, that is beyond a normal vanilla relationship where both parties has no quirks that are not societally acceptable. And maybe women into kink may not be okay with having a husband who dresses as a woman in public constantly, even with their kids. For that relationship to seriously work is alot harder than a relationship where two people are normal typical people with all the societally acceptable loves and wants.

I would also say, the trust required in an open relationship is alot more than the trust required in a close relationship. Close relationships being what is societally normal. Open relationships being what is not typical.

Alot of close relationships are close simply because they will feel insecure if their partners see other people of a different sex and interacts with them sexually.

It's as simple as that. They need it to be close to have trust. Without it being close, they can't feel trust. Which puts people being able to feel secure and trust and have faith in their partner's love for them despite their partner seeing and fucking other people, is seriously on another level.


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RE: How does it feel to need? - 12/20/2016 11:55:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka

My Master asked me this question recently and it really got stuck in my head for some reason. I think it's because for so long i didn't let myself feel much of anything at all. At the moment i was in very deep need... i didn't really answer Him but i think it made me more desiring to fulfill His needs while He created such deep needs in me. I guess maybe i'm over- thinking it but i wonder if we become dispassionate towards one another when either all of our needs are met for a while (we probably take it for granted) or when our needs haven't been met so long that we just harden up so we can't feel anything negative resulting from unmet needs.


The feeling you're describing, that deep burning, aching feeling in your belly, like there's mini explosions going on that wash over you in waves, like ripples of tingling that ride over your entire body, and localize much heavier in your lower abdomen. That sensation of so much longing to please him that you feel like you physically want to 'melt' into him, and you end up finding yourself clawing at the furniture by merely thinking about him while you're doing your household chores, bucking your hips, feeling you might explode from how happy, overwhelmed, and longing you feel... that's not what a 'need' feels like, that's full sexual arousal in a female.
Yes, I know that Norman describes it as 'being in need'. Yes, I know it probably happens to you more often outside of the bedroom, whilst serving him, than inside the bedroom when you're actually engaging in sexual activity (it's even possible you've never actually felt like that at all while engaging in sexual activity and the only time you experience it is while in non-sexual service to him). Because it happens to you whilst serving in non-sexual settings, instead of being provoked by things that ought to turn you on, you probably don't associated it with sexual arousal, but arousal is still what it is.

It's not 'being needy'. Well, at least not in the sense that immediate sexual fulfillment isn't essential for you to actually deal with that feeling of being aroused, because leaving it unfulfilled for a while actually heightens the state.
If your Master is proficient at reading you, and has and interest in doing so, he can can get you to the point where you'll feel like that pretty much all the time you're not sick or totally stressed out. Though doing so is a bad idea if you work outside of his home, because it can be very distracting when dealing with any task that's not somehow directly related to serving him.

Being actually needy, or in need, or having a need, feels nothing like that. Needs are things that are essential for our well-being, without which we are somehow in danger, or cannot function optimally. You need food, water, shelter, psychological security, physical shelter from the elements, etc, etc.
Maslow's hierarchy of needs, whilst a little outdated, is still a good basis for understanding the topic.

Even though sexual fulfillment, in a general sense, is definitely a need people have, it doesn't exist as acutely as you're perceiving it, because what you're experiencing isn't the acute need to have your sexual desire fulfilled, but the stages of being aroused, which will eventually lead to a need to have your sexual desires fulfilled.

Actual needs, when unfulfilled, don't lead somebody to feel all happy and fluttery like you're experiencing from being aroused. Leaving an actual need unfulfilled will make somebody cranky, stressed, tense and unfocused. Your brain will start spending all it's mental energy on figuring out how to fulfill the need, and leave little space for anything else, which will result in you being clumsy, irritable, and short of temper when attempting to deal with anything that isn't directly related to fulfilling that need.
It's how people end up feeling when they're tired, and need sleep. Or hungry, and need food. Or feel unsafe, and need security. Or feel excluded, and need positive social interaction. Etc, etc.

So the answer to your question: "How does it feel to need?", is: "cranky, annoyed, and frustrated".

It's just not the answer you were looking for, because you're mistaking your arousal for 'feeling in need'.

Your arousal is making you feel longing, which is the feeling people get when they desire something they don't actually need. People long for ice cream. They long to go see the movie they want to see. They long to spend time relaxing doing an enjoyable activity with friends. They long for positive experiences that make them feel good, or happy in some way. Your arousal causes you to long to make your Master happy, so you can share the joy you're experiencing with him, which translates in a desire both for him in and of itself (his time, and nearness) as well as a desire to please and serve him.

When trying to explain to him what you're feeling like, compare it to something he wanted really bad (new iPhone if he's a tech geek, new car, buying a new house, doing some extreme sport such as bungee jumping) and the thrill, exhilaration and feeling of "I'm so excited and happy I feel like I'm going to jump out of my own skin" that came with it. That's basically what you're experiencing, only you're doing it for hours on end, days in a row, instead of having a short burst of it in relation to some specific unusual event.
It's quite enjoyable really, and probably not something he's capable of experiencing other than as a snapshot. The female body really is a wonderful thing...

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Maybe those of us who are into bdsm- type things would be more sensitive to this topic because they are more self- aware?


BDSM-types are not more self-aware than vanilla people.
You have a mistaken perception that they are, because you don't engage in type type of pop-psychology discussions with vanilla people on a regular basis, and you do do so with kinksters.

You are on message boards, talking about this stuff, which creates a bias, because the other people on this thread who are here to talk to you about it all have in common that they're also kinksters who are interested in talking about pop-psychology online.
Likewise, when you talk to people about your relationship in general, you're biased towards other kinksters who have an interested in exploring the what's and how's of how M/s relationships function.

There's a whole group of kinksters who have no interest in pop-psychology (and whom you wouldn't classify as being 'more self-aware') whom you don't interact with, because they're not drawn to discuss the same topics which you like to discuss.

Likewise, there's a whole lot of vanilla people out there who equally like to discuss and explore stuff like this, whom you never interact with, because they don't frequent the same message boards and social groups you do, and don't discuss the same topics and types of relationship you do.

All this is resulting in you having a biased view, in which is seems like kinksters are super introspective, deep-thinkers, and above averagely selfaware, while vanilla's don't engage in introspection, and just randomly do whatever they feel like, without attempting to explore the what's and why's, when it truth all you've done is described the fact that you like to interact with self-aware kinksters. In your assessment, you're ignoring all the self-aware vanilla's, as well as the non-self-aware kinksters, because you're not drawn to interaction with them, and thus don't have as much exposure to them as you do to self-aware kinksters.




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RE: How does it feel to need? - 12/20/2016 1:27:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

My Master asked me this question recently and it really got stuck in my head for some reason. I think it's because for so long i didn't let myself feel much of anything at all. At the moment i was in very deep need... i didn't really answer Him but i think it made me more desiring to fulfill His needs while He created such deep needs in me. I guess maybe i'm over- thinking it but i wonder if we become dispassionate towards one another when either all of our needs are met for a while (we probably take it for granted) or when our needs haven't been met so long that we just harden up so we can't feel anything negative resulting from unmet needs.


The feeling you're describing, that deep burning, aching feeling in your belly, like there's mini explosions going on that wash over you in waves, like ripples of tingling that ride over your entire body, and localize much heavier in your lower abdomen. That sensation of so much longing to please him that you feel like you physically want to 'melt' into him, and you end up finding yourself clawing at the furniture by merely thinking about him while you're doing your household chores, bucking your hips, feeling you might explode from how happy, overwhelmed, and longing you feel... that's not what a 'need' feels like, that's full sexual arousal in a female.
Yes, I know that Norman describes it as 'being in need'. Yes, I know it probably happens to you more often outside of the bedroom, whilst serving him, than inside the bedroom when you're actually engaging in sexual activity (it's even possible you've never actually felt like that at all while engaging in sexual activity and the only time you experience it is while in non-sexual service to him). Because it happens to you whilst serving in non-sexual settings, instead of being provoked by things that ought to turn you on, you probably don't associated it with sexual arousal, but arousal is still what it is.

It's not 'being needy'. Well, at least not in the sense that immediate sexual fulfillment isn't essential for you to actually deal with that feeling of being aroused, because leaving it unfulfilled for a while actually heightens the state.
If your Master is proficient at reading you, and has and interest in doing so, he can can get you to the point where you'll feel like that pretty much all the time you're not sick or totally stressed out. Though doing so is a bad idea if you work outside of his home, because it can be very distracting when dealing with any task that's not somehow directly related to serving him.

Being actually needy, or in need, or having a need, feels nothing like that. Needs are things that are essential for our well-being, without which we are somehow in danger, or cannot function optimally. You need food, water, shelter, psychological security, physical shelter from the elements, etc, etc.
Maslow's hierarchy of needs, whilst a little outdated, is still a good basis for understanding the topic.

Even though sexual fulfillment, in a general sense, is definitely a need people have, it doesn't exist as acutely as you're perceiving it, because what you're experiencing isn't the acute need to have your sexual desire fulfilled, but the stages of being aroused, which will eventually lead to a need to have your sexual desires fulfilled.

Actual needs, when unfulfilled, don't lead somebody to feel all happy and fluttery like you're experiencing from being aroused. Leaving an actual need unfulfilled will make somebody cranky, stressed, tense and unfocused. Your brain will start spending all it's mental energy on figuring out how to fulfill the need, and leave little space for anything else, which will result in you being clumsy, irritable, and short of temper when attempting to deal with anything that isn't directly related to fulfilling that need.
It's how people end up feeling when they're tired, and need sleep. Or hungry, and need food. Or feel unsafe, and need security. Or feel excluded, and need positive social interaction. Etc, etc.

So the answer to your question: "How does it feel to need?", is: "cranky, annoyed, and frustrated".

It's just not the answer you were looking for, because you're mistaking your arousal for 'feeling in need'.

Your arousal is making you feel longing, which is the feeling people get when they desire something they don't actually need. People long for ice cream. They long to go see the movie they want to see. They long to spend time relaxing doing an enjoyable activity with friends. They long for positive experiences that make them feel good, or happy in some way. Your arousal causes you to long to make your Master happy, so you can share the joy you're experiencing with him, which translates in a desire both for him in and of itself (his time, and nearness) as well as a desire to please and serve him.

When trying to explain to him what you're feeling like, compare it to something he wanted really bad (new iPhone if he's a tech geek, new car, buying a new house, doing some extreme sport such as bungee jumping) and the thrill, exhilaration and feeling of "I'm so excited and happy I feel like I'm going to jump out of my own skin" that came with it. That's basically what you're experiencing, only you're doing it for hours on end, days in a row, instead of having a short burst of it in relation to some specific unusual event.
It's quite enjoyable really, and probably not something he's capable of experiencing other than as a snapshot. The female body really is a wonderful thing...

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Maybe those of us who are into bdsm- type things would be more sensitive to this topic because they are more self- aware?


BDSM-types are not more self-aware than vanilla people.
You have a mistaken perception that they are, because you don't engage in type type of pop-psychology discussions with vanilla people on a regular basis, and you do do so with kinksters.

You are on message boards, talking about this stuff, which creates a bias, because the other people on this thread who are here to talk to you about it all have in common that they're also kinksters who are interested in talking about pop-psychology online.
Likewise, when you talk to people about your relationship in general, you're biased towards other kinksters who have an interested in exploring the what's and how's of how M/s relationships function.

There's a whole group of kinksters who have no interest in pop-psychology (and whom you wouldn't classify as being 'more self-aware') whom you don't interact with, because they're not drawn to discuss the same topics which you like to discuss.

Likewise, there's a whole lot of vanilla people out there who equally like to discuss and explore stuff like this, whom you never interact with, because they don't frequent the same message boards and social groups you do, and don't discuss the same topics and types of relationship you do.

All this is resulting in you having a biased view, in which is seems like kinksters are super introspective, deep-thinkers, and above averagely selfaware, while vanilla's don't engage in introspection, and just randomly do whatever they feel like, without attempting to explore the what's and why's, when it truth all you've done is described the fact that you like to interact with self-aware kinksters. In your assessment, you're ignoring all the self-aware vanilla's, as well as the non-self-aware kinksters, because you're not drawn to interaction with them, and thus don't have as much exposure to them as you do to self-aware kinksters.





Thank you for taking the time to respond. You always put things into words so well i always wish i could say things as clearly as you do. You described it all so well, and it is really all new to me.. and honestly i didn't have a clue that my body could be in the state that He keeps me... and it just amazes me. I feel like all of my life i've been a snowman and now i am a wonderful melting puddle. And you're right.... it happens when i do menial tasks for Him... like washing the floor on my hands and knees as He told me to. It's just... amazing.

You're right... this forum is my only 'Online life' besides an occasional Facebook post. I don't even know how much i belong here either because the 'Kink' that everyone talks about really doesn't apply to me and my relationships although some of the activities involved are similar... so as much as i want to find likeminded people, i really don't know where that is. The old Gorean forums seem to be all gone now. I am thankful that at least that helped me find my path, i miss not having that group around anymore.

Thanks again.

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RE: How does it feel to need? - 12/20/2016 1:31:24 PM   
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When with a person I can feel a certain 'need' of them, or to give myself to them ... but really it's a very strong want. A need is something you can't live without, and as I have basically been able to live without the last two men in my life perfectly well then that dictates that they held nothing at all that was a need. I may well have said to either of them at any point 'I need', and at that moment in time it may well have felt that way, but the reality is that people become less deserving of your emotions, your desires, and your 'needs'.

As for your last comment; some people within BDSM assume that because can can slap themselves with a label they are so very self aware. My experience shows they are anything but. The last guy in my life used to love telling me how he knew me so perfectly well, he didn't have a fricking clue because he was so busy telling me what he thought I was that he never listened to what I told him. He certainly wasn't very aware of himself either, and contradicted himself constantly. From what I'm told he's currently a walking example of that right now. I've known exactly what I've wanted since I was 17. I just thought that to get the parts I wanted I had to do the whole nine yards. Then I thought I'd got something close to what I wanted, but he made it so damn complicated by being so bloody moody all the damn time. Aside from being a liar, and assuming I couldn't figure that out.

Being on my own for the last two years has been wonderful. No fucking drama. Have I had needs? Nope, none that I can't satisfy myself. After all I'm the best fuck I know

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RE: How does it feel to need? - 12/20/2016 1:51:10 PM   
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The feeling you're describing, that deep burning, aching feeling in your belly, like there's mini explosions going on that wash over you in waves, like ripples of tingling that ride over your entire body, and localize much heavier in your lower abdomen. That sensation of so much longing to please him that you feel like you physically want to 'melt' into him, and you end up finding yourself clawing at the furniture by merely thinking about him while you're doing your household chores, bucking your hips, feeling you might explode from how happy, overwhelmed, and longing you feel.

SQUEEEEEE!
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The rest was good too, and I can't argue with any of it, but as a big fan of cheesey romance novels let me tell you, that opening was solid gold!

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RE: How does it feel to need? - 12/20/2016 2:00:23 PM   
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As for your last comment; some people within BDSM assume that because can can slap themselves with a label they are so very self aware. My experience shows they are anything but.

I agree, my exchange with UllrsIshtar in the Pain thread showed me that, that I really wasn't anywhere near as self aware as I thought I was, because when I really did start examining my inner workings as well as the things I expected, I also found things I did not expect, things I did not like at all, and also things I was afraid to look at or accept.

I try to do that more regularly now, but being really self aware is hard and takes regular work it's not a one off thing at all. And it can be fucking scary, at least it is for me.

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RE: How does it feel to need? - 12/20/2016 2:03:08 PM   
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and honestly i didn't have a clue that my body could be in the state that He keeps me... and it just amazes me. I feel like all of my life i've been a snowman and now i am a wonderful melting puddle. And you're right.... it happens when i do menial tasks for Him... like washing the floor on my hands and knees as He told me to. It's just... amazing.



You're welcome.

It really feels like you can't even breath, and you're about to explode out of your own skin from emotion. The merest brush of his hand over the back of your neck as he walks by to another room can be enough to buckle your knees, and make you start crying.
It's 100% sheer ecstasy. Total hormonal cocktail overload in your system, except that it doesn't quiet down much at all... ever it seems.
I'm convinced that it's a feeling you can only experience as a slave girl. At least in that form, and in that state of prolonged intensity. So enjoy it. It's the main reward that comes with the collar which you cannot experience any other way. All the other stuff he's making you feel -safe, secure, guides, centered, your thought being calmer, feeling less stressed and flustered, feeling taken care of, cherished, etc- he could do as well as your free partner who takes an active guiding role in your life (think 1950s style marriage, with him being the 'man of the house'). But this specific feeling you're having because he owns you.
With the collar off, you'd end up having only momentary snapshots that are reminiscent of feeling that way, and it wouldn't be at the intensity, or as prolonged and persuasive as how you're currently experiencing it.

It's quite addictive. Enjoy it.

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i miss not having that group around anymore.



Me too, though it's quite predictable that it ended up like this.
99% of the ones who are able 'get it' will necessarily stop being interested in talking about once they do, because then they'd be too busy doing it to actually have time to talk about it.
There's only a rare few people who remain interested in talking the subject to death after they get it, and the only reason they continue having that interest is because it's inherent to their personality to just fundamentally enjoy talking thing to death. Those few who're like that aren't enough to keep those groups around, and everybody else moved on to other topics that interest them.

You can still find Leonidas, Orion, Bull, Bear, Kirata, MusicMystery, and even Marcus now and again, around posting on the web quite frequently. It's just that they rarely every do so on the subject of M/s anymore, even when they're on kink sites.
They 'get it'. And so it's just not really interested discussing it anymore, considering that doing so is nothing more than rehashing the same things over and over again.



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RE: How does it feel to need? - 12/20/2016 2:13:02 PM   
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The feeling you're describing, that deep burning, aching feeling in your belly, like there's mini explosions going on that wash over you in waves, like ripples of tingling that ride over your entire body, and localize much heavier in your lower abdomen. That sensation of so much longing to please him that you feel like you physically want to 'melt' into him, and you end up finding yourself clawing at the furniture by merely thinking about him while you're doing your household chores, bucking your hips, feeling you might explode from how happy, overwhelmed, and longing you feel.

SQUEEEEEE!
That was awesome! I was half expecting Lord Darcy to pop up and rip somebody's bodice!

The rest was good too, and I can't argue with any of it, but as a big fan of cheesey romance novels let me tell you, that opening was solid gold!


LOL.

I was trying to give a clinical and factual description of the actual sensations.

But glad you enjoyed it.


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RE: How does it feel to need? - 12/20/2016 2:40:24 PM   
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As for your last comment; some people within BDSM assume that because can can slap themselves with a label they are so very self aware. My experience shows they are anything but.

I agree, my exchange with UllrsIshtar in the Pain thread showed me that, that I really wasn't anywhere near as self aware as I thought I was, because when I really did start examining my inner workings as well as the things I expected, I also found things I did not expect, things I did not like at all, and also things I was afraid to look at or accept.

I try to do that more regularly now, but being really self aware is hard and takes regular work it's not a one off thing at all. And it can be fucking scary, at least it is for me.


The last guy I was with accused me of being too analytical, always over thinking everything. The problem is that with my background it kinda comes with the territory, but it also means that I'm also always looking inward, always questioning my own actions, and my own responses. What he didn't like is that I knew his tells.

I have just finished two years of counselling. 18 months with one lady, and six with another. My first told me that she hadn't come across many people that were as honest as I was, nor so self aware. Apparently I had made her job rather easy. She told me that few people had ever made her cry, but I had,and she had learned an awful lot from me. I really hadn't known what to make of this. I just hadn't seen the point of being there and then to not tell the truth. She had also found it refreshing that when I told her a situation, I didn't just tell my side, but also the other person's, that I also tried to put myself in their place and tell their part from their POV, not my own. When we had parted ways she asked if she could hug me. Not something I would usually allow.

The second told me that she had looked forward to our sessions the most because things had always seemed so genuine and unforced. Again she had felt she had learned from me because I seemed self aware, so, in her words, it freed up space in the session for other things.

I don't know, may be these things are just lip service and said to all the people they see, but what I do know is that both shared very personal family details with me too.

Needles

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RE: How does it feel to need? - 12/20/2016 2:42:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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As for your last comment; some people within BDSM assume that because can can slap themselves with a label they are so very self aware. My experience shows they are anything but.

I agree, my exchange with UllrsIshtar in the Pain thread showed me that, that I really wasn't anywhere near as self aware as I thought I was, because when I really did start examining my inner workings as well as the things I expected, I also found things I did not expect, things I did not like at all, and also things I was afraid to look at or accept.

I try to do that more regularly now, but being really self aware is hard and takes regular work it's not a one off thing at all. And it can be fucking scary, at least it is for me.


Thinking about thinking is the first step towards self-awareness.

Most people never think about how they think. Or why they think that way.

Doing so hard work indeed, because -even though you don't realize this- most of what you do when you don't think about thinking isn't really preceded by rational thought. The act of the doing is followed by thought, not preceded by it.

When you're not thinking about thinking, and are on auto-pilot instead, what ends up happening is that do things, then you observe yourself doing or having done the things, and then you form your perception of why you did the things you did, and who you are as a person, based on that observation and the self-image you have of the person you'd like to be. (And when what you did, and what you think about yourself doesn't line up, it leads to cognitive dissonance.)
It's not even the case of forming a perception of why you did what you did all the time. Most of the time we merely do something, and then observe ourselves doing that thing, giving it no further thought whatsoever. There's not really a reason behind it. No actual choices were made. No rationalization was given to it afterwards. We just did, and observed ourselves doing, and called the act of observing 'rational thought', when of course, it isn't really rational thought, any more than filming what you did would constitute rational thought. But by observing ourselves doing stuff, we used mental energy, and so it ends up feeling like we were 'thinking'.

We're on auto-pilot most of the time because of something called ego depletion. Basically, making choices -no matter how small- takes energy. And you only have a finite amount of energy available with which to make those choices. When that energy is gone, your capacity to make choices will be gone as well, and you will default to passivity, and just go along with the flow of whatever you happen to be doing already, or whatever is happening around you.
In order to guard yourself against ego depletion when it comes to important decisions, you're basically on auto-pilot most of the time. You don't really make well-thought out choices, for specific reason. You just sorta habitually do whatever 'feels right', and then observe yourself doing these things.
This leaves you the energy to deal with the important decisions more rationally and thought through, whenever they come along.

The bad news about this is that most people don't really have a clue why they do what they do most of the time, because they didn't really even have a reason why they were going to do it before they did it. They did whatever they defaulted to in the moment, because thinking is hard, and if you do it too often you run out of thinking-energy. It's even worse when you're already in a situation of ego-depletion because you've already had to make a bunch of choices that day, and are now faced with another big one, because chances are that you simple won't have the energy to think through it anymore. Instead, you'll default to a choice early on, and then any attempt to think through it further will lead you in a circles, where you keep losing your train of thought, lose your focus, and lose track of all the consequences you're trying to consider, which will result into you defaulting back towards whatever your first knee jerk reaction was (the bright side here is that our instincts are very good, and your first knee jerk reaction statistically speaking ends up having an above average chance for being the correct one).

The good news about this is that thinking-energy is something you can train yourself to have more of. It's like a muscle: the more you use it, the stronger it gets, and the longer it takes to make it get tired.
Training yourself to think about thinking will make it easier and easier to think about thinking even more, and once you're used to doing a lot of thinking about thinking, making decisions in stressful situations will become easier and easier, because you've got more and more thinking-energy available to tackle big things.

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RE: How does it feel to need? - 12/20/2016 3:10:26 PM   
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Ego depletion theory debunked:

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/03/psychologys-favorite-theory-about-willpower-may-be-totally-wrong.html

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RE: How does it feel to need? - 12/20/2016 3:29:52 PM   
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Ego depletion theory debunked:

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/03/psychologys-favorite-theory-about-willpower-may-be-totally-wrong.html


Euhm, according to the very link you provided, there's a study which got conflicting results, which has lead to a session in which there was debate over whether to dismantle the idea, or not, which didn't lead to a conclusive decision or consensus either way.

That does not equate to 'debunked'.

Furthermore, the article is wrong in it's implication that the theory of ego depletion arrives from a single study, there's been dozens of ego depletion studies, which have all gotten the same results.

Lastly, the 2014 RRR study that got nul results, which the article refers to, has itself been seriously called into question as a valid result, considering that procedural issues that were related to it. And it's not generally accepted as conclusive evidence against ego depletion theory.

There are questions and debates going on about the subject, which is pretty much the case with any psychological theory, but that article is a complete misrepresentation of how conclusive and definitive the position on the theory is, both in the case of being accepted, as well as proven wrong.


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RE: How does it feel to need? - 12/20/2016 4:27:59 PM   
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It ain`t easy to become, vulnerable...IT can *feel*...it can be... terrifying, at times.

Your a slave...you have the *heart* of one. You`ve always admitted that. If my memory is correct those in Gor call it a *slaves belly*...

It can be a loneley place to... be.

Hang out with people who get it...

UllrsIshtar gets it...

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RE: How does it feel to need? - 12/20/2016 4:36:21 PM   
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It ain`t easy to become, vulnerable...IT can *feel*...it can be... terrifying, at times.

Your a slave...you have the *heart* of one. You`ve always admitted that. If my memory is correct those in Gor call it a *slaves belly*...

It can be a loneley place to... be.

Hang out with people who get it...

UllrsIshtar gets it...


Thank you for your advice. Also thanks for mentioning the vulnerable/terrifying part... because you are so right about that too.

I know Ullrsishtar gets it... i am so thankful she is here.

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