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Norman v Hubbard - 12/20/2016 4:26:02 PM   
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Who inspires you?

Both write fiction which is taken pretty much literally by their devotees. Obviously Mr Hubbard's ideas have gained more traction over the years but why?

Which author has a place in the real world? Everyone likes a story but why do these two create such passion in their followers?
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RE: Norman v Hubbard - 12/21/2016 1:49:56 AM   
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Who inspires you?

Both write fiction which is taken pretty much literally by their devotees. Obviously Mr Hubbard's ideas have gained more traction over the years but why?

Which author has a place in the real world? Everyone likes a story but why do these two create such passion in their followers?


That actually depends on if what you are talking about is his fiction writing, of which he did a fair amount, or what is considered his non-fiction philosophical work. If you are Battlefield Earth (The book is actually fairly good, the movie....not so much.) or his Dekology, they are all clearly fiction and labeled as such. So is his earlier short stories and pulp fiction for which you can find easy references should you wish to do so. He is most known for Dianetics and Scientology. The books about both are technically not fiction no matter what you think of them.

John Norman mostly wrote science fiction novels. Those are by nature fiction. He also wrote one western and one of the earliest books on sexual role play for couples which while it contains example scenarios for them to use is non-fiction. So are his professional philosophical and professional writing.

You are wrong that Goreans take his books literally. We all know what they are and what is real and what is fiction. We also have a good idea which parts are philosophy and which are narrative fiction.

By the way....trolling Goreans never turns out well for the trolls. Some of us have been reading the books for as long or longer than you have been alive. The first Gor book was published 50 years ago last summer. It is older than Start Trek (by a few months) and older than the term BDSM (not some of the activities) by years. There are few things, if any, you can come up with we haven't countered many times before and so far, on that count, your score is the predictable zero. The chances of you making it to one new thing, given what you have written so far, are not worth the time to place the bet, let alone the money to do so. Yawning would be a more productive use of my time. <grins>

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RE: Norman v Hubbard - 3/17/2017 12:01:20 PM   
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They arent really comparable. The author of the Gor books never set out to found a church. He wrote fantasy fiction, and never intended it to be anything more. He did write the first D/s themed self-help sex manual, but one had little to do with the other.

Why did Hubbards work gather more of a following? probably because its way cooler to believe you are a reincarnated alien than just a plain old human.

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RE: Norman v Hubbard - 3/20/2017 9:14:44 PM   
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I just wanted to wish everyone a happy Gorean New Year tomorrow!

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RE: Norman v Hubbard - 4/4/2017 12:28:06 PM   
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Really? Is this the anniversary of the first book or is there some other counter-earth calendar stuff at work?

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RE: Norman v Hubbard - 4/5/2017 5:21:12 PM   
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Lol, no it is not some anniversary, not that I know of. It is just one of those things in the books that people here who say they are Gorean that do not follow any of the fictional things that are in the books. They are what people would call trappings. They are the little bits of cultural events in the books that bring the Gorean books to life. It's what I believe that gives understanding to the philosophy and or the other way around. If you pay attention to those little tid-bits of information you can understand why the characters in the books say or do the things that they do, what they believe and why. Perhaps that's just me.

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RE: Norman v Hubbard - 4/6/2017 5:07:48 AM   
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Last year was the 50th anniversary of the first publication of Tarnsman of Gor. That was in the summer of 1966. For those who have compared Goreans to Trekkies, the original Star Trek series didn't debut until later in the fall of 1966. We where here first.

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RE: Norman v Hubbard - 4/6/2017 7:21:48 AM   
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By the way....trolling Goreans never turns out well for the trolls.

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Has the Gorean community become so sensitive that the automatic assumption is that anyone who asks a question is a Troll?

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RE: Norman v Hubbard - 4/6/2017 4:37:28 PM   
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Trolls do love questions

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RE: Norman v Hubbard - 4/17/2017 11:02:35 PM   
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Who inspires you?

Both write fiction which is taken pretty much literally by their devotees. Obviously Mr Hubbard's ideas have gained more traction over the years but why?

Which author has a place in the real world? Everyone likes a story but why do these two create such passion in their followers?



Neither inspire me as they both preach something I don't need. For others, I can see them being an inspiration. Dr. Hubbard the most since he is copying many of those elements of religion that serve to inspire men to rise to Gods. A spiritual morality. That is an attractive offer. The good doctor and author of the Gor books inspires some to embrace a secular master morality. Also an attractive offer to those who did not naturally aspire to this level from birth through their natural gifts (genes), upbringing and resultant earned alpha status.

The other doctor inspires this same thing with his spiritual morality. Dr. Hubbard's ideas are spiritual and ring true with many as they suggest we are closer to being Gods than mere mortals and in the past life took part in the creation of everything material as well as living here on earth afterward as a reincarnated being who will ascend again upon death. Sound familiar? Such teaching presses hard on the truth button built into each of us. Besides, it sounds good.

Norman's morality is a good sell to some since it has a focus on rising above as well as reaping rewards for being greater than the sheep who are lessor in some perceived natural order of things, even if they are overweight pulp fiction readers searching for a reason to support the greatness they can obtain no other way. That is attractive to those who sought an otherwise unobtainable path to their ascendance above "the others" or in this case, "trolls".

Good questions. Better than most here. Well done.

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RE: Norman v Hubbard - 4/19/2017 11:42:02 PM   
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LTE.....
L. Ron Hubbard never held any degree, especially a PhD or medical degree. Norman or John Lange was a PhD of Philosophy and professor of philosophy until he retired about a year ago. With the exception of pulp fiction, the only thing Hubbard ever succeeded at was creating a religion. Norman created a philosophy but did not try, unlike Scientology, to force it on others. That goes against what most of us see as what we should do. I have compared it to the Mason's phrase of "To be one, ask one." If you want to become Gorean, ask and we will help. If you don't, then do what pleases you and let us do what pleases us. What we believe is not for almost everyone and it should be that way.

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