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Someone Should Write A Book... - 7/24/2006 1:36:13 AM   
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Just out of curiosity, tonight I got on the internet and tried to find a book akin to the one John Warren has written ("The Loving Dominant"), or any relatively commerically successful book, that would be a "How to:" on Sadistic/masochistic bdsm relationships. Books specifically about Sadists and masochists, not general D/s. And about how this S/m dynamic plays out in bdsm relationships, the headspace the people are in when they engage, sample secenarios they might engage in, how they keep "the fires burning" so to speak, etc. And - I was very surprised to find amost nothing. Nothing that would be commercially recognized as a success on the same level as John Warren's book, for instance (I've read it, it's a great book, Mr. Warren).

I had to wonder if either my research skills are going downhill, or if a publisher would shy away from producing something like this, because it might be considered too "taboo" ? Even if that's true, surely someobody has published a decently informative book about this topic area.

*Anyway, if anyone has any references for me as far as a book on Sadisitc/masochistic relationships in the bdsm world, I'd be grateful for one (or several). I've read all the dry medical journal articles I can stand, and they are not telling me what I want to know, anyway.

But - that is not my only point in this thread. I really do think, considering how long it took me to not find what I was looking for, that the commercial book market is ripe for this kind of book - and have to wonder why nobody has written one ( nobody I could find, anyway - and I looked for over two hours).

*If someone wanted to make their first million, they could do this - and I know the publishing world can be brutal, but there are probably people here that could write a book like this. I know a woman who wrote a book called "How to Satisfy a Woman Every Time". She was a housewife, and within three years, she was a milionaire, because it sold so well. Of course, finding a publisher (for any  book) is no easy task sometimes, but I am sure it could be eventually be done, with perseverence (and a well-written and researched book).

With that in mind, I've taken it upon myself to think up some possible titles to inspire someone, maybe, to give doig something like this a shot. (I am too busy to do this right now, and am not an expert in this are anyway. That's why I was looking for a book)!

Here are some possible titles. Feel free to add your own to the list. Let your mind wander and roam. And, if anyone knows of any books about this area, I'd appreciate the title and author (or location)? Thnaks.

Sadism and Masochism: Entering Your Own Pleasureable Hell
 
Sadism and You: Satisfying The Beast Within
 
"Oh God, Make It Stop...Please, Please, Make It Stop!" - A Guide to Everyday Sadism and Masochism 

Daddy Dearest: The Creative Use Of Everyday Items In Sadistic Scenarios
 
You Are Not A Bad Person. Well, Okay - Not a Really, Really Bad Person.
Satisfying Your Sadistic Drive Is Not a Weird, Sick Need. It's Okay (Really).
(joke) 
 
How Can Feeling So Much Pain Feel This Good? Sadism and Masochism: An Introductory Guide
 
- Susan

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RE: Someone Should Write A Book... - 7/24/2006 2:13:41 AM   
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There are some good books out there, but the problem is, as you said, finding a MAJOR publisher. The small independent publishers don't have the resources of distribution and advertising that the major ones do. Major publishers have hundreds of books to choose from and will keep untested subject matter on hold.

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RE: Someone Should Write A Book... - 7/24/2006 2:16:30 AM   
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i always think of S&M 101 and the Roses/ thorns books to both be more about S&M than D/s ..   but might have been because my mind-set when i read both.  i was so looking for the D/s and power exchange stuff that the physical act descriptions just clogged up the books and infuriated me.  i tossed both aside as the worst money ever wasted.  i think we all buy them because we are told we should have them, and to that extent, we share a "national baseline" of common knowledge, but really.   Every word in both is available somewhere online.

gotta say though, the roses. thorns book was a coffee table edition, very pretty!  But it immediately scared Hubby off from D/s because He couldn't get the S&M parts out of His head for like 3 years.  And for that 3 years, i could not find ONE publication that really outlined what being a dominant (or a submissive) was all about, without accompanying descriptions of how to employ bondage or impact play in some way.  GGgrrr.

i finally turned back to the old standbys, biblical teachings on Male leadership stuff.  Those translate well for FemDoms as well, if you can do the mental gear-shift on the gender bias.  To this day, my favorite BDSM books are not BDSM books at all, but rather, studies of power dynamics in human relationships. 

Wanna buy my old copy of S&M 101?   Cheap?

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RE: Someone Should Write A Book... - 7/24/2006 2:17:36 AM   
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I know you are correct, Ex Steel. Somebody is gonna fill this need eventually. I can only hope they invite me to ride in their Lear jet, and vacation at their seasonal home(s) in Hawaii or Cancun. 

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RE: Someone Should Write A Book... - 7/24/2006 2:23:05 AM   
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Mavis: So, there's a book out there called S & M 101? Yes, I would be interested in that. Nice to know it's out there. I'd buy if from you if you want to sell it - I am willling to buy a new copy also, if you want to keep it. Where diod you get it? Do you remember?

I swear I was on the internet for 2-1/2 hours tonight. I looked at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, even Greenery Press. On the internet, all I found were library and medical journal articles, and stuff written by Ph. D. candidates arguing whether we are actually way sick, or not. Not what I was looking for, exactly. Thanks for the information (e-mail me on the other side if you want to sell it to me. Seriously).

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RE: Someone Should Write A Book... - 7/24/2006 2:46:25 AM   
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The book is SM 101 by Jay Wiseman, now in its second edition.  Published by Greenery Press, ISBN 0963976389 and retails for $24.95 generally.

If you're looking for a thorough book on S & M relationships however, I think you'll be disappointed.  Its a good primer for basic bondage and the like, but so far as examining the dynamics of a S & M relationship it doesn't go very far.  Its a good book to have in your library and my copy sits alongside The Loving Dominant, The New Topping Book, The New Bottoming Book, and many others.

I think a book that really looks at the emotional side and the functional dynamics of either S & M relationships or Master / slave relationships has yet to be published (nothing comes to mind and there's nothing in my library that I think really fits that description).

I may have to do something about that.

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RE: Someone Should Write A Book... - 7/24/2006 2:54:35 AM   
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Wel, Padriag, it appears to be a wide open market! And thanks for the information, Padriag. I thought I looked at Greenery press; I did not find this - but maybe I missed it. In any case, I am either ordering SM 101 by Jay Wiseman (or maybe buying it from Mavis or someone). If it's just skimming the surface, that is better than nothing I guess, but not altogether what I am after, no. Like I said - someone (maybe even someone at Collarme) could make a mint writing one, probably. If I had the knowledge and the time, I'd give it a shot myself.

- Susan  

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RE: Someone Should Write A Book... - 7/24/2006 3:07:06 AM   
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Susan, oh goodness.  i got it on Amazon.

Hint for that,  once you order any of that sort, Amazons auto-shopper will also give you a ton of other titles either purchased by other shoppers, so the assumption is common theme..  or they just list other books with common keywords. 

Head back to Amazon, and do a search for Jay Wiseman.  (author of S&M 101, title doesn't come up in search, but the book is listed among his others)  Good bondage guru and general purpose events presenter.   Check into "The Topping Book", "The Bottoming Book",  "Screw the Roses, Bring Me The Thorns"  all of those will incorporate some level of D/s in the play side stuff, because of the power exchange needed for playing in the first place, but those are focused mainly on scene, sensation, and impact play.   None fo them are new, Amazon might present you with a list of newer titles by same authors, or in a commom theme.  i think you have to create an account, or put one of them in your shopping cart to get the lister to offer you additional selections.

Sure, i was serious, it's sold new for $15.71,  a seller of used lists it for $12.95,  but i can ship it priority and still keep it under 10 bucks.  Just mail my profile.  i'd rather see it go to someone who can appreciate it than have it sit here scaring Hubby!

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RE: Someone Should Write A Book... - 7/24/2006 3:11:02 AM   
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Okay, Mavis, thnaks. I will do that tommrrow late morning or early afternoon. I really, really appreciate it. Also, thanks for the Amazon tips.

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RE: Someone Should Write A Book... - 7/24/2006 3:50:36 AM   
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You're quite welcome.  Barnes & Noble also keep it in stock along with the following which I have on my book shelf and would recommend:

(As I recall, these first four books all dealt with S & M relationship dynamics to one degree or another, its been awhile since I read some of these however.)
ISBN: 0963976389 SM 101: A Realistic Introduction – Jay Wiseman
ISBN: 0964596008 Screw the Roses, Send Me the Thorns: The Romance and Sexual Sorcery of Sadomasochism – Philip Miller, Molly Devon, Foreword by William A. Granzig
ISBN: 1881943143 Slavecraft: Roadmaps for Erotic Servitude – Guy Baldwin
ISBN: 1890159506 Partners in Power: Living in Kinky Relationships – Jack Rinella

(other books you might find worth reading / having)
ISBN: 0679769560 Different Loving: The World of Sexual Dominance and Submission – Gloria G. Brame, Will Brame, Jon Jacobs, William D. Brame
ISBN: 1890159360 The New Topping Book – Dossie Easton, Janet W. Hardy
ISBN: 1890159352 The New Bottoming Book – Dossie Easton, Janet W. Hardy
ISBN: 1890159204 The Loving Dominant – John Warren
ISBN: 1890159077 Training with Miss Abernathy: A Workbook for Erotic Slaves and Their Owners – Christina Abernathy
ISBN: 0963976397 Miss Abernathy's Concise Slave Training Manual - Christna Abernathy
ISBN: 1890159131 Jay Wiseman's Erotic Bondage Handbook – Jay Wiseman
ISBN: 189015900X The Lady Green's The Complete Spanker – Lady Green
ISBN: 1890159271 Flogging – Joseph W. Bean
ISBN: 1573441589 The Good Vibrations Guide to Sex

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RE: Someone Should Write A Book... - 7/24/2006 5:38:48 AM   
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i'm not at all sure if anyone would be interested in a 4 book series that i have read....
MARKETPLACE                        www.mysticrose.com                               
by LAURA ANTONIOU           very entertaining and erotic 
www.mysticrose.com
Mystic Rose Books
PO BOX 1036\sms
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RE: Someone Should Write A Book... - 7/24/2006 5:41:03 AM   
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Wow!! Wow!! This is great. This is a real cornucopia of reading material on S/m.
I am so excited I am going to order some of these, right now! Thank you, thnak you, thank you, Padriag. (BIG HUG)! 
Thank you!

- Susan

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RE: Someone Should Write A Book... - 7/24/2006 5:42:10 AM   
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Oh Wow, thanks. I just love to read. I've heard about The Marketplace, but have not read it yet. I will now, though. Thanks!! (BIG HUG)

- Susan 

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RE: Someone Should Write A Book... - 7/24/2006 5:43:41 AM   
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And Mavis, I just sent you an e-mail. Thnak you, too! Very much (BIG HUG).

- Susan 

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RE: Someone Should Write A Book... - 7/24/2006 5:57:58 AM   
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Considering that SM 101 came out before there was much in the way of the web, it was considered a must read for many years. It was a recommended book back in the mid 90's when I started out.

At the time SM 101, Screw the Roses, Different Loving, and The Loving Dominant seemed to be about the only options when it came to printed books that were popular enough with the Heterosexual crowd. There were some few others that were available for the gay leather crowd but even now the divission between the communities seems to keep some from reading the books that are targeted at gay leathermen.

A few more titles that people have not mentioned as yet.

Ties That Bind                                                           Guy Baldwin
Q & A Leathersex                                                      Joseph W Bean
A Hand in the Bush                                                    Deborah Addington
Leatherfolk                                                                 Mark Thompson
To Love To Obey To Serve ( Diary of an Old Guard Slave) Viola Johnson
Becomming a Slave                                                             Jack Rinella


The other publishing company to watch for is Daedalus Publishing

Although the series that Firstsub mentions ( The Marketplace) is fiction it does a good job of reflecting some real life values, considerations, challanges, etc

In Leather

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RE: Someone Should Write A Book... - 7/24/2006 6:00:06 AM   
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Oh and you can find excepts of most of these authors as well as some articles by them online.
Make note of the names google them later you'll find lots of their stuff reproduced, often illegally.


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RE: Someone Should Write A Book... - 7/24/2006 6:04:09 AM   
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Oh Archer, you are a dear! Thank you, thank you, thnak you. I just cannot get enough of this kind of reading material. I love reading about this. I do. I really do. Thnaks. (BIG HUG).

- Susan

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RE: Someone Should Write A Book... - 7/24/2006 7:00:42 AM   
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If you're in the market for many book's I highly recommend half.com for purchasing them.  It is an ebay company...people sell what they no longer need for a small fraction of the cost.  So, you can get brand new down to throughly used.
Considering I have 30 or so lifestyle oriented books, I've probably paid about a hundred dollars for them all.
Only time I've ever paid full price is when the author is a good friend and they are autographing it for me then and there.

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RE: Someone Should Write A Book... - 7/24/2006 7:31:13 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO

Just out of curiosity, tonight I got on the internet and tried to find a book akin to the one John Warren has written ("The Loving Dominant"), or any relatively commerically successful book, that would be a "How to:" on Sadistic/masochistic bdsm relationships. Books specifically about Sadists and masochists, not general D/s. And about how this S/m dynamic plays out in bdsm relationships, the headspace the people are in when they engage, sample secenarios they might engage in, how they keep "the fires burning" so to speak, etc. And - I was very surprised to find amost nothing. Nothing that would be commercially recognized as a success on the same level as John Warren's book, for instance (I've read it, it's a great book, Mr. Warren).

I had to wonder if either my research skills are going downhill, or if a publisher would shy away from producing something like this, because it might be considered too "taboo" ? Even if that's true, surely someobody has published a decently informative book about this topic area.

*Anyway, if anyone has any references for me as far as a book on Sadisitc/masochistic relationships in the bdsm world, I'd be grateful for one (or several). I've read all the dry medical journal articles I can stand, and they are not telling me what I want to know, anyway.

But - that is not my only point in this thread. I really do think, considering how long it took me to not find what I was looking for, that the commercial book market is ripe for this kind of book - and have to wonder why nobody has written one ( nobody I could find, anyway - and I looked for over two hours).

*If someone wanted to make their first million, they could do this - and I know the publishing world can be brutal, but there are probably people here that could write a book like this. I know a woman who wrote a book called "How to Satisfy a Woman Every Time". She was a housewife, and within three years, she was a milionaire, because it sold so well. Of course, finding a publisher (for any  book) is no easy task sometimes, but I am sure it could be eventually be done, with perseverence (and a well-written and researched book).

With that in mind, I've taken it upon myself to think up some possible titles to inspire someone, maybe, to give doig something like this a shot. (I am too busy to do this right now, and am not an expert in this are anyway. That's why I was looking for a book)!

Here are some possible titles. Feel free to add your own to the list. Let your mind wander and roam. And, if anyone knows of any books about this area, I'd appreciate the title and author (or location)? Thnaks.

Sadism and Masochism: Entering Your Own Pleasureable Hell
 
Sadism and You: Satisfying The Beast Within
 
"Oh God, Make It Stop...Please, Please, Make It Stop!" - A Guide to Everyday Sadism and Masochism 

Daddy Dearest: The Creative Use Of Everyday Items In Sadistic Scenarios
 
You Are Not A Bad Person. Well, Okay - Not a Really, Really Bad Person.
Satisfying Your Sadistic Drive Is Not a Weird, Sick Need. It's Okay (Really).
(joke) 
 
How Can Feeling So Much Pain Feel This Good? Sadism and Masochism: An Introductory Guide
 
- Susan


I've read most of the books mentioned here...Screw the Roses, SM 101, Different Loving, etc.  For erotic scenarios, there is a book in which the stories are kind of tied together...but aren't...that's a good relaxation read.  It's called Quiver.  There are a couple I've got on topping and on bottoming that have some good suggestions for scenes and that delve a little into the D/s dynamic but only in how it is tied to the specific instances being cited.  I'll get the two titles and send them to you on the other side...if they don't get mentioned here, I'll add them here also.

It sounds to me like you are going for something a bit deeper than that but not quite all the way to just the D/s.  I agree...there is a need for that.  I would love to see how the S/M side is brought out every day and not just in the scenes BUT, I want to see how the scenes and the D/s are incorporated together.  It's not that I want a script but I would love to see other's ideas on how they do it. 

Hmmmmm...anyone up for interviews?   

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RE: Someone Should Write A Book... - 7/24/2006 7:39:26 AM   
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One book ALWAYS truly forgotten is Claudia Varrin's book EROTIC SURRENDER. A Domme found her submissive self with one Dom and served him with pleasure in a wondrful D/s flavor.  The book also gives guidance on how other women can prepare themselves inside, bring out their inner self, for when they believe they have found the Dom that matches them like a hand in glove.  No MS in it.

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