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For you I said that I will retract Boogs claim, which I used to counter your claim that the town was not a military target, stop dodging, prove it, (using the same level of evidence you require from me), or retract your claim.
The closest military unit deployed in proximity to Wielun was the Polish 28th Infantry Division However they where stationed North West of Wielun a defensive positions and emplacements which had simple dirt fortifications. It was this unit (specifically the 36 Academic Legion Infantry Regiment which was attached to it) which managed to shoot down 4 Stuka Dive Bombers as they moved into attack patterns for Wielun.
Early on, the 28th infantry Division managed to halt German's 1st Mechanized Division in a town northwest of Wielun, called Łagiewniki.
Wielun itself was a small urban sprawl which had more historic significance then any practical one. It was not apart of any real trade corridor, didn't have significant production facilities, nor did it have large storage facilities. Even though it was located on an intersection of roads - it really wasn't much of a transit hub either, as the 8th Army went north while 10th Army went more south east across the Warta towards Radomski.
It is theorized that the Wielun was more a political target as it was a popular location that several Polish Royals regularly visited... but aside from that - there is absolutely nothing note worthy of this location from a strategic or tactical stand point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wielu%C5%84
It is argued that Boog's claims where actually a misinterpretation of the Deployment of the 28th Infantry Division. Given that he is a Historian of German Aircraft, and not a historian of Polish Ground Military- he may of confused the fact that the 28th infantry Division was deployed to 'Wielun County' to mean specifically to Wielun.
There was no Threat from Wielun, no military presence, no tactical or strategic objective which needed to be destroyed... nor is there any evidence that there ever was. Resulting in the conclusion that Wielun was a Civilian Population Center which was intentionally targeted.
Counter to 'Heavy Fog - they missed'
The closest military units where ~10km northwest of the city. While fog can interfere with navigation and general aim - the only way to miss by +10 km is via a Heavy Bomber that is at some 30,000 feet up... The Stuka is not a Heavy Bomber.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_87
Early Stuka's only carried a single 250 kg bomb which it deployed at relatively low altitudes (~400meters) and when compared to the standard bombers of the day, it was a precision bomber. To bomb it went into a steep dive and released the bomb so that there was a very acute trajectory exponentially increasing the accuracy of the aircraft. What results is an aircraft that was shown to land 4 bombs consecutively on a single building... not something which misses by several km.
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Lets see how well you fare under your same standards 
oh and there is no rule says a claim is not a fact
I hereby claim 2+2 = 4
geebus your shit is weak, you continue to make groundless assumptions
Not to mention we now have a brit historian to add to R1's side that corraborates Boogs, but we can leave that lay while you prove up your claim without flying to poland to pull records. LOL
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You would have to know the nuances of the English Language to understand why 'claim' is used to mean an unsubstantiated statement. It is used this way because the most common colloquialism that uses claim is 'You claimed...' which often precedes something negative which is a complete contradiction of the claim.
You claimed they where Alone.
You claimed that the defendant was holding the murder weapon
you claimed that they don't disobey orders.
As such the word 'Claim' while factually meaning 'to assert something as true' carries with it the connotation that such a claim should be scrutinized. That is why in schollarly articles when discussing studies that the researcher agrees with or supports you see them instead use the word 'State' rather then 'Claim'.
Don't worry - I fully expect you to respond with Denial, personal attacks, and baseless claims which you use to completely evade the facts because they are too difficult to swallow.
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