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Trump's immigration order and the courts - 2/5/2017 10:06:10 AM   
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Whatever your views on the subject may be, Robert Barnes, a California-based trial attorney, argues that Trump's order will stand in the end.

On Friday, a Boston federal judge issued a 21 page decision debunking the arguments against Trump’s Executive Order suspending migration from certain countries pending further review. Later that same day, a Seattle federal judge who has been making the news lately (and not usually for the most flattering of reasons), declared his oral intention to sign an order limiting some aspects of the executive order. In the courtroom, whose position is likely to ultimately win?

Just a quick review of the two written orders can tell you which one is likely to win. The Boston judge cited a wide range of precedents for his decision in his detailed written order. The Seattle judge issued a short order devoid of almost any reference to any precedent, which is the “evidence” for lawyers on the law. Add in comments made by the Seattle judge verbally, and if any aspect of that is correct, the Seattle judge’s opinion will lose, and Trump’s position will win.

Both judges appeared to reject the position of many critics: both appeared to reject the position the First Amendment prohibits the order; both appeared to reject the position the Fifth Amendment prohibits the order; both appeared to reject the position that Congressional statutes prohibit the order. Both appeared to reject claims the order discriminated on the basis of speech or religion in any way that immigration law precludes or forbids. Instead, both agreed all that mattered is whether the laws had a “rational basis.”

Here is where the Boston judge and the Seattle judge appeared to disagree. According to reports of what was said at oral argument in Seattle, the Seattle judge believes rational basis review requires the law-making branches of government “prove” with “facts” presented in court that their position is the correct one. As the Boston judge noted, this interpretation of the law — inviting the judicial branch to replace the elected branches of government — is directly contrary to precedent. This is why the Seattle judge’s opinion is likely to lose out ultimately, and Trump’s will prevail.

As the Boston judge explained, the Supreme Court provided that rational basis review merely means the law “bears some fair relationship to a legitimate public purpose.” The Supreme Court made clear rational basis review “is not a license for courts to judge the wisdom, fairness or logic of legislative choices.” Immigration law includes a “delicate policy judgment” courts must not invade, as the Supreme Court itself said, and the Boston judge reiterated. As the Ninth Circuit reiterated, “we defer to the political branches in the immigration field.”


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RE: Trump's immigration order and the courts - 2/5/2017 10:10:51 AM   
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Read it yesterday, gave it the same shift as I do other lawyers opining.
He isnt exactly "balanced"

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RE: Trump's immigration order and the courts - 2/5/2017 10:14:57 AM   
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Nay - fuk off. Is my counter argument. Wicked and his counsel of 3 cats, and that ginger thieving bastard from two rows up, have ruled on it by a majority 5 - 0 if you count like trump then it was a good 40 billion to nowt

Actually didn't one of their scumbag attorney's try to argue overruling an executive order was treason - not something peresident maggot "cockwomble" would do would do eh! and then have a bit of a change of mind to suit his own agenda of being a bit of a mad bastard lying kunto

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RE: Trump's immigration order and the courts - 2/5/2017 11:36:01 AM   
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I am not going to read the article, it is obvious asswipe from the abstract you provided. The judge in boston's position is certainly nutsucker cockgargling Any first amendment (any bill of rights issues), and pretty much all cases are argued as one of the bill of rights amendments with a fair smattering of 14th amendment in there.

bill of rights questions are going to be judged by the doctrine of strict scrutiny.

The Seattle judge was absolutely correct, the onus is the governements to prove a compelling reason to violate the constitution.

Appearances in this article are clearly of the deceiving kind.

I read his tortured arguments, but beginning with his incorrect premise that it is not a strict scrutiny requirement all the way thru where he says there is no religious discrimination in the EO, I would say that regardless of the cites for the foolish reasoning, his lex non res, will not bear up to Supreme Court precedent, principle, and stare decisis will not even under a 9 nutsucker hack supreme court be set aside.


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