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WhoreMods -> RE: Employers May Have To Start Paying Fair Wages Again (2/11/2017 8:06:48 AM)

I suspect it's more a denial that the wealth creating plutocrats who cut their business overheads by not having to pay illegals minimum might bar any culpability in the steady tickle of wetbacks into the country than anything else.
I mean, God forbid that anybody should not believe that business owners are not all morally upright role models, right? Such paragons of virtue can't have anything to do with all these Mexican scumbags sneaking into the country...



thompsonx -> RE: Employers May Have To Start Paying Fair Wages Again (2/11/2017 12:14:52 PM)


ORIGINAL: kdsub

Without jobs they will have no reason or the financial ability to stay... even with children. If you make a penalty 20 years without parole, confiscation of assets, and stick to it not many employers will take the chance... would you?

Butch


The law says $250,000 fine and 5 years in the federal slam for each illegal hired...do the math.



thompsonx -> RE: Employers May Have To Start Paying Fair Wages Again (2/11/2017 12:17:09 PM)


ORIGINAL: bounty44
ORIGINAL: kdsub

But would it not be cheaper...less taxpayers money...to arrest and imprison those employers who hire illegal workers? Without jobs they would go home and we would not need to build a wall for billions.


great, do the math and compare the numbers. lets use ten years as time period.

I have done it for youi several times but you are just too phoquing stupid to read.
The law against hiring those who have crossed the boarder illegally is $250,000 fine and five years in the federal slam for each violation. This is a federal felony. Those who cross the boarder illegally commit a federal misdomeanor.
If an employer has more than a dozen illegal employees that would be "prima facia" evidence of an ongoing criminal conspiracy which would trigger a "ricco" act prosecution and the consequent assett forfieture of all assetts of the gulty party.
You claim to be a college boy why is it that you are unaware of this?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

also please address all the employee/employer arrangements that are "off the books" so to speak.

"off the books" would certainly come under the "ricco" statute.

and the illegals who come here but don't work and nevertheless use resources.


Please tell us how it is possible tolive here without money? What resources would those be and how would an illegal alien access them?

and the illegals who come and make their living from crime.

That would be the job of the police and is not germain to the discussion of employment of illegal aliens.

address how imprisoning employers stops drugs from coming over?

Once again a law enforcement issue and not related to the issue of illegal immigration.

and the anchor baby phenomenon?

You clearly do not undersstand the "anchor baby" issue. A child born in amreika is a citizen at birth. That citizenship confers no rights to the parent. The "anchor baby" may bring in it's parents once it is 21 years old and can show the financial ability to support the parent/s for a period of 10 years. Why is it that a so called college boy like yourself does not know this?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


that said, its hard to take any liberal seriously when they complain about the cost of something when that "something" is something they inherently disagree with on principle, as opposed to cost.

It would seem quite obvious to the most casual observer that arresting the ceo of wallmart would be infinitely less expensive and far more remunertative to the government, both in terms of assetts siezed and manpower not expended.
For the terminally stupid I realize that this is a difficult concept to grasp that is why I typed this slowly just for you.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



thompsonx -> RE: Employers May Have To Start Paying Fair Wages Again (2/11/2017 12:24:45 PM)


ORIGINAL: tamaka


I think

No you do not.


alot of them have papers, fake ss #'s etc so there is no way to tell.

If you could think you would be able to find out just how phoquing stupid you are.
You apply for a job with fake papers. The employer submits your data to the government. Yes this is what we do now as a matter of course. The government compares your ss number with all those who are working. If they notice that more than one person is using the same name and ss number and working in different states that would be a red flag. If they notice that that ss number is employed for a couple of hundred hours a week that would also be a red flag.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



DesideriScuri -> RE: Employers May Have To Start Paying Fair Wages Again (2/11/2017 2:39:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
But would it not be cheaper...less taxpayers money...to arrest and imprison those employers who hire illegal workers? Without jobs they would go home and we would not need to build a wall for billions.
Butch


We should do that, too, imo.



heavyblinker -> RE: Employers May Have To Start Paying Fair Wages Again (2/11/2017 11:22:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

But would it not be cheaper...less taxpayers money...to arrest and imprison those employers who hire illegal workers? Without jobs they would go home and we would not need to build a wall for billions.

Butch


Obama actually did this as soon as he took office.
I'm not sure why, exactly, but he changed his tune in the years that followed.

It could be related to the fact that illegals contribute so much to the economy and the fact that you've still got to finance the raids and deal with the illegals you find afterwards.



DaddySatyr -> RE: Employers May Have To Start Paying Fair Wages Again (2/11/2017 11:52:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

and I cannot help but think of the argument that "illegals do some jobs that americans wont"---so long as americans can get welfare and unemployment and other government goodies, then certain employees will be hard pressed to fill their ranks. so that whole system would need to be addressed also, which im all in favor of.



This is where corporate greed ties in:

For MANY years, I have heard people say: "Americans won't do what migrant farm workers do". Then, of course there's the argument that without the migrant workers, we'd all starve and the poor farmers can't afford to pay American workers.

I might have the wrong name, but do you know what the biggest farm in this country is? It's all the farms owned by the Birdseye corporation.

The PPLs have spent years, screaming about corporate welfare. As long as the government refuses to crack down on illegal immigration, these multi-billion dollar farm companies will never pay workers a decent wage (or, minimum wage, for that matter).

You wanna "stick it to the man"? Start forcing Big Farms to start "paying their fair share". I know PLENTY of people that would pick vegetables for $7.25 an hour, if it meant avoiding the welfare roles.



Michael



bounty44 -> RE: Employers May Have To Start Paying Fair Wages Again (2/12/2017 1:42:18 AM)

it would be interesting to know what an illegal migrant worker gets paid compared to what a local American would doing the same job.

I suspect the hourly rate wouldn't be too different, but itd be all the other trappings that made the difference from the perspective of the employer---fica taxes and benefits.



mnottertail -> RE: Employers May Have To Start Paying Fair Wages Again (2/12/2017 3:58:18 AM)

Yeah, no patriots, in any way, these guys, simply gangsters.



Termyn8or -> RE: Employers May Have To Start Paying Fair Wages Again (2/12/2017 5:00:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

How many of the criminal employers were imprisoned? How many companies were siezed?


Fancy me responding to you of all people. But you posed a valid question.

First of all, none of the criminal employers obviously were incarcerated. Companies, though now with the rights of an individual, do not pay for crime with time. I am against fining companies usually, preferring to instead make them come up with the culpable party from the board of directors or whatever and let him do the time in the pen. No more fines, it comes form the customers, the employees or that shareholders, the=ose responsible never pay a fucking dime.

Seizing the company is not something you want the government to get into the habit of doing, though your shortsightedness might preclude you from understanding that. You give THEM a license to steal at will ? Very stupid. that kind of shit got a bunch of people in Florida years ago divested of all cash in their pockets if they had over $200, ostensibly because it could be drug money. Shit, I used to take more money than that to go grocery shopping. No shit, ten bucks a pound for beef tenderloin and buy two of them, that and a few spuds adds up to $200. And we used to have cookouts and dinner parties all the time. But there eeds to be no charges even filed for them to make it more of a pain in the ass to get your money back than it is worth. So it goes into more surveilence equipment and guns and ammo to take even more from you. Look up the coast guard. those are the folks who take a 50 foot yacht away because they found a joint on it. Fuck you, I will smoke whatever I damn well please.

I would fire on them and actually die if they started that shit with me, which is something you and your ilk will never understand.

T^T



Termyn8or -> RE: Employers May Have To Start Paying Fair Wages Again (2/12/2017 5:01:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

But would it not be cheaper...less taxpayers money...to arrest and imprison those employers who hire illegal workers? Without jobs they would go home and we would not need to build a wall for billions.

Butch


Read the fucking post, these are NOT illegals.

T^T



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