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RE: When Love Interferes with Dominance and Control - 4/4/2017 7:46:09 AM   
Bhruic


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Many years ago when I first started exploring "all of this", I remember some people telling me how they felt that it was not a good thing for a Master to fall in love with his slave, because it would cause him to go soft on her. She would slowly try to get past the rules he hadd set for her, and he would let things go until eventually the relationship was essentially vanilla.

Well....I am finally seeing this for myself for the first time. I have a Dominant friend who has been in an on-again/off-again relationship with his slave for several years, and with most recent time she has come back to him, he really doesn't want to lose her this time....he wants this to time to be for good. But even he sees what is happening and he has expressed his fears to me. He sees that she is doing things she shouldn't....making decisions without asking him first, making plans to visit friends out of town, insisting that they need to stop somewhere while on a trip, and then arguing with him. He knows he needs to put his foot down but he is afraid that if he does, he will lose her again, and he doesn't want that to happen again.

Have any of you had this problem? How did you handle it? Any suggestions for any advice I can give him?


It is perfectly possible for a Dom, who has strength of character, to fall in love and still be a Dom. At the same time, a full time relationship IS still a relationship. From your description, he may be asserting his dominance out of a place of insecurity, thus making demands that are unreasonable... not good in any D/s relationship, but ultimately unworkable in a long term one.

It also sounds a little like he wants to be the Dom in a relationship where she hasn't agreed to be the sub. If she has... then they need to talk out what exactly that means.

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RE: When Love Interferes with Dominance and Control - 4/27/2017 10:46:20 PM   
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Have any of you had this problem? How did you handle it? Any suggestions for any advice I can give him?

Not really, no. Being dominant and submissive is really just how we are and so both sides of the dynamic just become one of our languages of love. The love and the dynamic reinforce each other. Sometimes the fact that I love her means I have a hard time sorting out her needs & desires vs. mine but that's not really an issue since nothing in our dynamic requires that it's all about me. Honestly, what has been really nice for Carol and I is letting go of all the definitions and labels and expectations. Doing so allowed our natural dynamic to express without being shoe-horned into some BDSM box.

If Carol was "doing things she wasn't supposed to do" I'd simply ask her how come and from there we'd get it sorted. Neither of us would be thinking that my stepping in to adjust her behavior was unusual. It certainly wouldn't introduce a divorce risk. If the slave in your story dislikes being controlled enough for it to represent a relationship risk then the obvious question is, "Why's she submitting?"


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RE: When Love Interferes with Dominance and Control - 5/29/2017 11:26:32 AM   
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8 believes that there is no harm in the submissive loving the Dominant but that a Dominant loving a submissive will prevent the Dominant from taking the submissive to its full potential and value.

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RE: When Love Interferes with Dominance and Control - 5/29/2017 12:15:19 PM   
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8 believes that there is no harm in the submissive loving the Dominant but that a Dominant loving a submissive will prevent the Dominant from taking the submissive to its full potential and value.

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I think it's more about how much the dom expresses his love that can cause a problem.

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RE: When Love Interferes with Dominance and Control - 6/21/2017 10:23:01 AM   
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I dont have the view I shouldn't love my slaves. In fact the very opposite. I am deeply in love with my three ladies. One of which is a newly begining elationship and ironically we first cross paths here on CM some ten years ago. I believe it's more insecurity and trust in that the love that causes D types to go soft. The other factor the d-type is not all that dominant as they like to portray and after awhile the lack of the dominance factor will come out. The former problem can be resolved the latter not so much.


As a note. I have never been accused of going soft in my dominance of my ladies. Largely because I am very much focus on building that secuirty and trust in the beginning of the relationship and maintain going forward. If everyone is authentic the path is rather incredible. But I have had a couple individuals come into my life who may of truly wanted the life. They were not honest with themselves. This lack of authenticity eventually ended those relationships.


For anyone out there interested in trying a poly relationship, i'd like to highlight two red flags of the kind of people to avoid getting involved with.
1st is the dominant is so unstable that he claims to be 'deeply in love' in a very new relationship. Unless of course he is a teenager.

2nd is the dominant/family takes no accountability for failed relationships. It is always only the 3rd subs fault.




You should really not comment about things that you know nothing of. This man has made even non believers in poly like me know that it can work if all parties are committed to it. The love and genuine respect shown in his relationship is the things most folks dream about.

Seriously, the ignorance shown in this post of yours takes the cake, and for someone who has shown as much ignorance on these boards as you have, that is really saying something.

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RE: When Love Interferes with Dominance and Control - 6/21/2017 10:26:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

I dont have the view I shouldn't love my slaves. In fact the very opposite. I am deeply in love with my three ladies. One of which is a newly begining elationship and ironically we first cross paths here on CM some ten years ago. I believe it's more insecurity and trust in that the love that causes D types to go soft. The other factor the d-type is not all that dominant as they like to portray and after awhile the lack of the dominance factor will come out. The former problem can be resolved the latter not so much.


As a note. I have never been accused of going soft in my dominance of my ladies. Largely because I am very much focus on building that secuirty and trust in the beginning of the relationship and maintain going forward. If everyone is authentic the path is rather incredible. But I have had a couple individuals come into my life who may of truly wanted the life. They were not honest with themselves. This lack of authenticity eventually ended those relationships.


For anyone out there interested in trying a poly relationship, i'd like to highlight two red flags of the kind of people to avoid getting involved with.
1st is the dominant is so unstable that he claims to be 'deeply in love' in a very new relationship. Unless of course he is a teenager.

2nd is the dominant/family takes no accountability for failed relationships. It is always only the 3rd subs fault.




You should really not comment about things that you know nothing of. This man has made even non believers in poly like me know that it can work if all parties are committed to it. The love and genuine respect shown in his relationship is the things most folks dream about.

Seriously, the ignorance shown in this post of yours takes the cake, and for someone who has shown as much ignorance on these boards as you have, that is really saying something.



You don't know what i do and don't know about. So you should really not comment about things you know nothing of.

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RE: When Love Interferes with Dominance and Control - 6/21/2017 10:31:53 AM   
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yeah wtfe......I forgot for a moment I was replying to Miss Knows it all.....have a lovely day, and my apologies for thinking you could ever learn or admit you were mistaken.

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RE: When Love Interferes with Dominance and Control - 6/21/2017 10:33:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

I dont have the view I shouldn't love my slaves. In fact the very opposite. I am deeply in love with my three ladies. One of which is a newly begining elationship and ironically we first cross paths here on CM some ten years ago. I believe it's more insecurity and trust in that the love that causes D types to go soft. The other factor the d-type is not all that dominant as they like to portray and after awhile the lack of the dominance factor will come out. The former problem can be resolved the latter not so much.


As a note. I have never been accused of going soft in my dominance of my ladies. Largely because I am very much focus on building that secuirty and trust in the beginning of the relationship and maintain going forward. If everyone is authentic the path is rather incredible. But I have had a couple individuals come into my life who may of truly wanted the life. They were not honest with themselves. This lack of authenticity eventually ended those relationships.

Glad to know yall are ding well.

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RE: When Love Interferes with Dominance and Control - 6/21/2017 11:00:21 AM   
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yeah wtfe......I forgot for a moment I was replying to Miss Knows it all.....have a lovely day, and my apologies for thinking you could ever learn or admit you were mistaken.



You are so passively aggressive aren't you. Here's an idea... worry about what you have to learn and what mistakes you make. That should keep you plenty busy. Happy smoking.

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RE: When Love Interferes with Dominance and Control - 6/22/2017 5:18:05 AM   
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nvm





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RE: When Love Interferes with Dominance and Control - 6/22/2017 3:30:52 PM   
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I don't understand the dichotomy of some of the posters. With my Sir and I - BDSM/D/s was our behavior. Love was our emotion. One doesn't negate the other.

My Sweetie is a sadist. When he practices his sadism on others, he isn't loving them, he's playing. When he plays with me with rubber floggers and skinny little canes, he is doing just that - playing. The fact that he loves me and I love him doesn't change whether or not I'm going the dishes or getting beaten. You can have control without love, and equally you can love without dominance. Whether you want to is another story.

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RE: When Love Interferes with Dominance and Control - 7/29/2017 10:38:45 PM   
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If the on again and off again is how their "relationship" works then that is their business as it is their relationship.

In regards to longevity and love causing a Dom to become soft on his sub..... It is possible to be honest. With my wife and I our Vanilla life/love was flowing over into our Kink and in some ways I was getting softer on her. Then I decided to try something new, to humiliate her...... and since then it opened up a whole new path in our Kink which has gotten darker and edgier..... So my answer is yes it can cause a Dom to become softer... but it can also lead to trying new things to keep the Kink interesting..... leading down new paths.

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