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Scottish Parliament backs referendum call - 3/28/2017 9:39:49 AM   
WickedsDesire


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Status: offline 		Nicola Sturgeon's call for a second referendum on independence for Scotland has been formally backed by the Scottish Parliament.

MSPs voted by 69 to 59 in favour of seeking permission for a referendum before the UK leaves the EU.
Ms Sturgeon says the move is needed to allow Scotland to decide what path to follow in the wake of the Brexit vote.

But the UK government has already said it will block a referendum until the Brexit process has been completed.

Prime Minister Theresa May, who met Ms Sturgeon for talks in Glasgow on Monday, has repeatedly insisted that "now is not the time" for a referendum.

Her Scottish secretary, David Mundell, has said that the timescale could include "the Brexit process, the journey of leaving and people being able to understand what the UK's new relationship with the EU is, so they can make an informed choice if there was ever to be another referendum".

Full article http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39422747

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RE: Scottish Parliament backs referendum call - 3/28/2017 9:47:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		If Britain goes into the EFTA (as all of the talk from the little englanders in the conservative party about the "Norwegian model" would suggest is going to be the case), then leaving the EU isn't going to make much of a difference. Norway, Iceland and Switzerland get the economic and free movement benefits of the EEC without being members. It's already become clear that the Conservatives can't deliver on the hysterical racist crap they were spouting during the leave campaign, after all.

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RE: Scottish Parliament backs referendum call - 3/28/2017 11:00:31 AM   
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It's already become clear that the Conservatives can't deliver on the hysterical racist crap they were spouting during the leave campaign, after all.


Abundantly clear. That makes things simpler, though, really: all we have to do now is a) specify those economic advantages of being outside the EU and b) ennumerate those exact controls over our lives the EU's had to date that we will soon be getting back. Lovely!

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RE: Scottish Parliament backs referendum call - 3/28/2017 11:11:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'll be curious to see what happens. A Scotland out of the UK but in the EU would be an interesting development.

And frankly, a smart one for Scotland.

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RE: Scottish Parliament backs referendum call - 3/28/2017 11:15:21 AM   
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I'll be curious to see what happens. A Scotland out of the UK but in the EU would be an interesting development.

And frankly, a smart one for Scotland.

We're more likely to get a Scotland that's out of both, sadly.
(Good for America, but probably less good for the Scots. The funny thing about that is everybody spent the '70s and '80s convinced that it was going to be the Russians that seized the north sea oilfields...)

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RE: Scottish Parliament backs referendum call - 3/28/2017 1:10:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

If Britain goes into the EFTA (as all of the talk from the little englanders in the conservative party about the "Norwegian model" would suggest is going to be the case), then leaving the EU isn't going to make much of a difference. Norway, Iceland and Switzerland get the economic and free movement benefits of the EEC without being members. It's already become clear that the Conservatives can't deliver on the hysterical racist crap they were spouting during the leave campaign, after all.


The Tories' ie May's position is (rumour - we 'll see within the next few days) to take a position of economic movement benefits but without free movement. Thus a status of the UK not even on the basis of EU-EFTA agreements (which include free movement between EU and Norway, Switzerland, Iceland) but a kind of trade union only - which is a non-negotiable position with the EU since it contradicts the EU fundament of the Rome treaty which is a situation explained by the EU and all member states for months since before the referendum. So what Theresa May tells the UK public about the UK returning to EFTA but without free movement is a daydream.

If the UK insists on limitation of free movement there will be no trade union. The UK will return to WTO standards with the EU.

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RE: Scottish Parliament backs referendum call - 3/28/2017 1:55:48 PM   
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RE: Scottish Parliament backs referendum call - 3/28/2017 3:10:24 PM   
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You know, I have a vague premonition of a sort of 'Suez Crisis Mark 2' - some widespread cultural shock, at some time in the near-ish future, at the realisation that Britain's weight and power just isn't what people think it is. The world and our relationship with it isn't the same as it was back in the colonial past.

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RE: Scottish Parliament backs referendum call - 3/28/2017 5:03:57 PM   
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The US will get to taste that if things continue on an isolationist path.

Hey, maybe Scottish oil will spark an attack on a Russia weakened from fighting with the US and China, leading to the Scottish conquest of Russia and the start of the Scottish Empire . . .

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RE: Scottish Parliament backs referendum call - 3/29/2017 4:17:14 AM   
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RE: Scottish Parliament backs referendum call - 3/29/2017 4:31:17 AM   
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Imagine how Holland feels, also once a world power.

The US will get to taste that if things continue on an isolationist path.

Hey, maybe Scottish oil will spark an attack on a Russia weakened from fighting with the US and China, leading to the Scottish conquest of Russia and the start of the Scottish Empire . . .

More likely the Americans will move in and take over: Aberdeen's pretty much a company town already.

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RE: Scottish Parliament backs referendum call - 3/29/2017 4:46:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		A man with vision Musicmystery that would be an interesting scenario too. A Scotland out of the UK but in the EU would be an interesting development.


PFH its not, and continues to fade, and I dont think many of the Englandshire jackals realise that.or eg Scotland football team is utter shit and we have been aware of this for a very long time, but we also know the English Football team are complete shit and this we have known for a very long time. One way of explaining a disparity in mentalities

European Economic Area Whoremods shrugs i said a lot in the past regarding all this, and I perceive the UK will be better off but that may take a generation or more - all nations are too intertwined (nope you wont get me on that one its easier for Scotland and England to divorce as almost nothing changes).

Besides there is absolutely no way trade will simply cease between:
Scotland and England (both ways)
EU and the UK(both ways)

Who knows why those arguments are even used...scaremongering...project fear: it is what it is

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RE: Scottish Parliament backs referendum call - 3/30/2017 9:39:26 AM   
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Besides there is absolutely no way trade will simply cease between:
Scotland and England (both ways)
EU and the UK(both ways)

Who knows why those arguments are even used...scaremongering...project fear: it is what it is



And despite some popular wishes, setting sails all over England to head across the Atlantic will not change that either

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RE: Scottish Parliament backs referendum call - 3/30/2017 9:46:01 AM   
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RE: Scottish Parliament backs referendum call - 3/30/2017 10:11:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		While many English seem to fancy a future like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSO9OFJNMBA

it might turn into like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oXpc-59Cdo

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RE: Scottish Parliament backs referendum call - 3/30/2017 10:16:21 AM   
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While many English seem to fancy a future like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSO9OFJNMBA

it might turn into like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oXpc-59Cdo


Or even this:
Garth Marengi's Dark Place

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RE: Scottish Parliament backs referendum call - 3/30/2017 10:45:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		smiles at the clips thanks for those blnymph ive only seen the meaning of life once and i only remember the death scene and another wafer mint, and I only rate the life of brian and the holy grail...and withnail and I

i cant find the goodies scotsman clip :(

Collectively the English are lost - not to the extent as the collective Americans, but they are not that far behind.

To me an apt analogy of a collective Englandshire - americashire jackal is , and from the film Monty Python The Meaning of Life https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXH_12QWWg8 greed and gluttony

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RE: Scottish Parliament backs referendum call - 3/31/2017 4:28:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

A Scotland out of the UK but in the EU would be an interesting development.
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Much depends on PM May and the Tories now I think.

Do they want to be remembered as Britain's leaders into a future out of the EU or as the party terminating the Treaty of Union?


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RE: Scottish Parliament backs referendum call - 3/31/2017 4:34:19 AM   
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RE: Scottish Parliament backs referendum call - 3/31/2017 8:58:47 AM   
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Nicola Sturgeon: 'No rational reason' for Theresa May to block indyref2

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has said there is "no rational reason" for the UK government to block a second Scottish independence referendum.
Ms Sturgeon has written to Prime Minister Theresa May asking for a Section 30 order to allow Holyrood to legislate for a referendum.
The UK government has already said it will not enter talks about a new vote.

Ms Sturgeon said she would come back to Holyrood in the coming weeks to update MSPs on how she would "move forward".
MSPs voted by 69 to 59 to mandate the Edinburgh government to open talks with its London counterpart over an independence vote.

Citing that 62% of those who voted in Scotland in the EU referendum had backed Remain, Ms Sturgeon argues that the country being taken out of the EU and the single market is "clearly against the will of the majority of people who live here".

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And we will be taking Gibraltar too wherever the fuk that is

Brexit: MPs angered by EU 'veto' over Gibraltar
Spain could potentially veto a UK trade deal with the EU if it does not get a say over the future of Gibraltar.

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