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Nnanji -> RE: Why Taiwan should NEVER be part of China (4/14/2017 10:27:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery I'm not having any more 2nd grade recess "arguments" with you. If you doubt China could take over Taiwan any time it chose, you're an idiot. But in your world, you're somehow a genius, everyone else is a moron, and it's your sworn duty to start all conversations reaffirming that belief. Well then stop your little passive aggressive rants...such as this one I'm responding to. Just ignore me or put me on hide. Please. I'll take that as your admission that the point on China/Taiwan is dead on, and that you were just trolling to attack. I thought you were not going to have a discussion with me. This is just another little passive aggressive rant from you. You just can't help it. Your impulse control is as poor as your intellect. See my comments to Thompson. His mind works exactly like a kindergartener's mind [:D] He claims h has second grade discussions, but you may be more accurate.

Nnanji -> RE: Why Taiwan should NEVER be part of China (4/14/2017 10:32:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Nnanji Actually now might be the very moment for china to occupy taiwan. Dumb don is playing tuff guy in the sand box and n.korea...what is he going to do???create another carrier battle group to defend taiwan maybe send the marines??? Roflmfao That is a point. However, if China were to occupy Taiwan they'd have to have boots on the ground that would have to cross the open water and land somewhere. As Trump just demonstrated, one MOAB could pretty much ruin that plan. So it wouldn't need a carrier group, just a plane. Maybe, thinking about it, Trump's message to North Korea wasn't just for them alone. If you want to annex an island's social infrastructure, economic arrangements, and resident workforce, dropping a huge fucking bomb that kills everybody and demolishes all the buildings isn't the way to go. You might as well build a new free trade port on a different island as do that: at least you've saved the cost of bombing the place flat first in that case. I'm not sure what your point is. Who are you assuming will bomb Taiwan flat. I'm assuming that if China wants to annex Taiwan they'll start with a preemptive strike on military targets and then send ships across the Taiwan Straight. Troop transports wouldn't fair well under a MOAB if the U.S. decided to intervene. Without troops China could not occupy Taiwan. China just had a Naval exercise in the Taiwan Straight demonstrating they can. As I recall, the Chinese Navy ran some Taiwon naval vessels out of the straight during the exercise.

WhoreMods -> RE: Why Taiwan should NEVER be part of China (4/14/2017 10:34:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Nnanji Actually now might be the very moment for china to occupy taiwan. Dumb don is playing tuff guy in the sand box and n.korea...what is he going to do???create another carrier battle group to defend taiwan maybe send the marines??? Roflmfao That is a point. However, if China were to occupy Taiwan they'd have to have boots on the ground that would have to cross the open water and land somewhere. As Trump just demonstrated, one MOAB could pretty much ruin that plan. So it wouldn't need a carrier group, just a plane. Maybe, thinking about it, Trump's message to North Korea wasn't just for them alone. If you want to annex an island's social infrastructure, economic arrangements, and resident workforce, dropping a huge fucking bomb that kills everybody and demolishes all the buildings isn't the way to go. You might as well build a new free trade port on a different island as do that: at least you've saved the cost of bombing the place flat first in that case. I'm not sure what your point is. Who are you assuming will bomb Taiwan flat. I'm assuming that if China wants to annex Taiwan they'll start with a preemptive strike and then send ships across the Taiwan Straight. Troop transports wouldn't fair well under a MOAB if the U.S. decided to intervene. Without troops China could not occupy Taiwan. You said that was the way to go. Highlighted above.

Nnanji -> RE: Why Taiwan should NEVER be part of China (4/14/2017 10:37:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Nnanji Actually now might be the very moment for china to occupy taiwan. Dumb don is playing tuff guy in the sand box and n.korea...what is he going to do???create another carrier battle group to defend taiwan maybe send the marines??? Roflmfao That is a point. However, if China were to occupy Taiwan they'd have to have boots on the ground that would have to cross the open water and land somewhere. As Trump just demonstrated, one MOAB could pretty much ruin that plan. So it wouldn't need a carrier group, just a plane. Maybe, thinking about it, Trump's message to North Korea wasn't just for them alone. If you want to annex an island's social infrastructure, economic arrangements, and resident workforce, dropping a huge fucking bomb that kills everybody and demolishes all the buildings isn't the way to go. You might as well build a new free trade port on a different island as do that: at least you've saved the cost of bombing the place flat first in that case. I'm not sure what your point is. Who are you assuming will bomb Taiwan flat. I'm assuming that if China wants to annex Taiwan they'll start with a preemptive strike and then send ships across the Taiwan Straight. Troop transports wouldn't fair well under a MOAB if the U.S. decided to intervene. Without troops China could not occupy Taiwan. You said that was the way to go. Highlighted above. I'm not sure where you got that meant dropping an MOAB on a Taiwon city. I believe I stated elsewhere a MOAB would be useful on troop transport in the Taiwon Straights. Also note the sentence prior to your bolded sentence that mentions crossing the water.

WhoreMods -> RE: Why Taiwan should NEVER be part of China (4/14/2017 10:39:02 AM)
You can hit a moving troop transport with a bomb that's designed to flatten cities?

Nnanji -> RE: Why Taiwan should NEVER be part of China (4/14/2017 10:40:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods You can hit a moving troop transport with a bomb that's designed to flatten cities? As mentioned in recent press releases, the MOAB has a kill radius of a mile. You don't need pinpoint accuracy.

WhoreMods -> RE: Why Taiwan should NEVER be part of China (4/14/2017 10:42:31 AM)
You don't, but it helps when you're trying to hit a moving target with something.

bondageerone -> RE: Why Taiwan should NEVER be part of China (4/14/2017 10:55:22 AM)
greta since everything we buy in the western world is made in these places, who cares. xas long as they don't eat my pussy.

Nnanji -> RE: Why Taiwan should NEVER be part of China (4/14/2017 11:03:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods You don't, but it helps when you're trying to hit a moving target with something. Since China has 400,000 troops facing Taiwan, I doubt they'd all go on one ship. In fact, China has 29 tank transport ship and 28 troop transports. A MOAB or two in the middle would be the thing to do.

mnottertail -> RE: Why Taiwan should NEVER be part of China (4/14/2017 12:25:50 PM)
we wont be able to do that. If we even hinted at an attack of china they would blow our satellites out of the air and while we would be inoperative running around like blind melon chickens, they would not ship repair parts for our equipment, once we figured out how to run our military and guidance and aircraft and troops and ships without guidance and repair parts, they would be standing on our throats in Ypsilanti, Michigan, and we would be under Cherryblossom law.

WhoreMods -> RE: Why Taiwan should NEVER be part of China (4/14/2017 12:26:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods You don't, but it helps when you're trying to hit a moving target with something. Since China has 400,000 troops facing Taiwan, I doubt they'd all go on one ship. In fact, China has 29 tank transport ship and 28 troop transports. A MOAB or two in the middle would be the thing to do. A huge bomb designed to airburst above cities would be just the thing for a target like that, obviously. [8\|]

Nnanji -> RE: Why Taiwan should NEVER be part of China (4/14/2017 1:41:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods You don't, but it helps when you're trying to hit a moving target with something. Since China has 400,000 troops facing Taiwan, I doubt they'd all go on one ship. In fact, China has 29 tank transport ship and 28 troop transports. A MOAB or two in the middle would be the thing to do. A huge bomb designed to airburst above cities would be just the thing for a target like that, obviously. [8\|] Hum, your so smart. Perhaps you'll help me understand by both giving me a cite about a bomb designed for cities and then tell me where the bombs have been used...obviously on cities, yes, but you'll tell me which won't you?

Greta75 -> RE: Why Taiwan should NEVER be part of China (4/14/2017 6:05:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Greta75 Not really, then why do they keep threatening their Current President? What threats have they made? Military action on Taiwan IF the current President even shows any tiny signs of supporting independence. They say they will take Taiwan by force. And in Hong Kong, they have been assassinating anybody who is promoting Hong Kong independence or jailing them. China is kinda like North Korea who will put down people against them, especially when it's reclaiming their Turf. Except, because they are now world power as well, nobody says anything. And over all, the country runs okay. They are just being aggressive to make sure there is no opposition to reclaiming both countries back. And honestly, I don't see the difference between Russia trying to take back Crimea and China trying to take back both Hong Kong and Taiwan. Especially Taiwan when the history is similar to North and South Korea why they split off. It was civil war. Except Taiwan became better than China and progressed better. North Korea just went backwards. Frankly, I think Hong Kongers are assholes, and they deserve China. But not Taiwanese. They are some of the nicest people you'll ever meet. And the country is so friendly. Hong Kong, everybody gives you attitude and people are all so unfriendly there, and when they come to other countries, like my own, we can't stand them! They think everyone owe them a living.

thompsonx -> RE: Why Taiwan should NEVER be part of China (4/14/2017 6:52:13 PM)
ORIGINAL: Greta75 ORIGINAL: thompsonx Not really, then why do they keep threatening their Current President? What threats have they made? Military action on Taiwan IF the current President even shows any tiny signs of supporting independence. They say they will take Taiwan by force. Why not it is theirs? And in Hong Kong, they have been assassinating anybody who is promoting Hong Kong independence or jailing them. So what it is their country China is kinda like North Korea who will put down people against them, especially when it's reclaiming their Turf. So what it is their country. Except, because they are now world power as well, When have they not been a world power? nobody says anything. And over all, the country runs okay. What is your point? They are just being aggressive to make sure there is no opposition to reclaiming both countries back. They have hong kong back and will take Taiwan when ever they choose. And honestly, I don't see the difference between Russia trying to take back Crimea Russia is not trying to take crimea back they have taken crimea back. and China trying to take back both Hong Kong and Taiwan. China has already taken hong kong and taiwan is currently sucking china's cock...so what is your point? Especially Taiwan when the history is similar to North and South Korea why they split off. It was civil war. Get a history book...you have no clue what you are talking about. Chaing was on the run from mao and took refuge on taiwan and amerika backed him up. Chaing is long dead and there is now a one china policy. Korea was divided by amerika and a puppet installed in s. korea. Except Taiwan became better than China and progressed better. In what sense has taiwan become "better than china? North Korea just went backwards. You do not know shit about what goes on in n.korea unless you have been sucking dennis rodmans cock. Frankly, I think Hong Kongers are assholes, and they deserve China. You do not get a vote. But not Taiwanese. They are some of the nicest people you'll ever meet. And the country is so friendly. Not when I was there Hong Kong, everybody gives you attitude and people are all so unfriendly there, and when they come to other countries, like my own, we can't stand them! They think everyone owe them a living. Perhaps they give what they get

Greta75 -> RE: Why Taiwan should NEVER be part of China (4/14/2017 7:14:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Not when I was there This alone speaks volumes about you if you can get the nicest people on earth to be mean to be you. That's a feat! quote: Get a history book...you have no clue what you are talking about. Chaing was on the run from mao and took refuge on taiwan and amerika backed him up. Chaing is long dead and there is now a one china policy. Korea was divided by amerika and a puppet installed in s. korea. How is this explanation not civil war?

thompsonx -> RE: Why Taiwan should NEVER be part of China (4/14/2017 7:21:32 PM)
ORIGINAL: Greta75 ORIGINAL: thompsonx Get a history book...you have no clue what you are talking about. Chaing was on the run from mao and took refuge on taiwan and amerika backed him up. Chaing is long dead and there is now a one china policy. Korea was divided by amerika and a puppet installed in s. korea. How is this explanation not civil war? China was a civil war korea being separated was not. The Korean war was a civil war. Quit using the history book for shit paper dumbass. Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

LadyDemura -> RE: Why Taiwan should NEVER be part of China (4/14/2017 11:09:34 PM)
China has a one China, multiple systems policy. They seem to prefer to keep the status quo, rather than mess with systems that are working in Macao and Hong Kong. Taiwan is more complicated, but the way I understand it, they'd rather have Taiwan officially consider themselves be the government of all of China than be independent. What they, and most other large countries are afraid of is that if they allow independence of one part, there will be contagion, and other regions will want independence too. Even if they did take them back militarily, would the Taiwanese really be happy Chinese citizens, or would they pretend to be, while starting an underground movement to overthrow the Beijing government and replace it with one more like the one currently in Taiwan?

thompsonx -> RE: Why Taiwan should NEVER be part of China (4/15/2017 1:56:51 AM)
ORIGINAL: Greta75 ORIGINAL: thompsonx Not when I was there This alone speaks volumes about you if you can get the nicest people on earth to be mean to be you. That's a feat! You do not speak english very well, perhaps you could get a grown up to help you with the big words. I did not say they were mean to me I said I did not find them to be the nicest people in the world. The nicest people I have met in my travels were in oz and newfoundland. Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

BoscoX -> RE: Why Taiwan should NEVER be part of China (4/15/2017 6:29:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyDemura China has a one China, multiple systems policy. They seem to prefer to keep the status quo, rather than mess with systems that are working in Macao and Hong Kong. Taiwan is more complicated, but the way I understand it, they'd rather have Taiwan officially consider themselves be the government of all of China than be independent. What they, and most other large countries are afraid of is that if they allow independence of one part, there will be contagion, and other regions will want independence too. Even if they did take them back militarily, would the Taiwanese really be happy Chinese citizens, or would they pretend to be, while starting an underground movement to overthrow the Beijing government and replace it with one more like the one currently in Taiwan? The Tiananmen Square incident tells you all you need to know about the mainland Chinese government The supreme rulers are typical power-mad Marxist types who have murdered hundreds of thousands throughout China's history and there is no reason to believe they will not continue to use every means to obtain and maintain an iron-fisted grip on total control, just as they have always done.

mnottertail -> RE: Why Taiwan should NEVER be part of China (4/15/2017 7:17:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: LadyDemura China has a one China, multiple systems policy. They seem to prefer to keep the status quo, rather than mess with systems that are working in Macao and Hong Kong. Taiwan is more complicated, but the way I understand it, they'd rather have Taiwan officially consider themselves be the government of all of China than be independent. What they, and most other large countries are afraid of is that if they allow independence of one part, there will be contagion, and other regions will want independence too. Even if they did take them back militarily, would the Taiwanese really be happy Chinese citizens, or would they pretend to be, while starting an underground movement to overthrow the Beijing government and replace it with one more like the one currently in Taiwan? The Tiananmen Square incident tells you all you need to know about the mainland Chinese government The supreme rulers are typical power-mad Marxist types who have murdered hundreds of thousands throughout China's history and there is no reason to believe they will not continue to use every means to obtain and maintain an iron-fisted grip on total control, just as they have always done. They are anything but Marxist. But we still await the millions of mothers in China rising up as their sons are slaughtered in Tianamen square. Their control was obtained many centuries ago, and their maintenance of it is no major feat. And what precisely is the problem of the iron fist?

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