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RE: Please read entire question before answering. - 4/22/2017 11:09:08 AM

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A special word on "Days of Future Past" to tie into what we were discussing on the other thread. As much as I tend to dislike time warps, alternate realities, etc, I thought Days of Future Past solved a problem in film that comic book illustrators never face. The truth is, unlike characters, actors age. In film, you have to solve that issue in some way. I haven't seen the new "Logan" film, but how long is Huge Jackman going to be able to play Wolverine?
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Hugh Jackman's character aging actually does get addressed in Logan. Logan is set several years in the future, and the fact that the actor, and therefore the character, has aged isn't ignored. Further explanation would be spoilerish.

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RE: Please read entire question before answering. - 4/22/2017 4:25:52 PM

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The casting is a problem, as actors age a lot faster than immortal mutants with a healing factor. It's an even bigger problem when a film gets cast as perfectly as the first couple of X Men flicks were: you're absolutely right about McKellen nailing Magneto. That first film right from the off, he's very frightening indeed mostly because they have somebody playing the part who can make the lifetime of fury and frustration the character has lived through absolutely credible in a few lines of dialogue.

I think the first X-Men film hitting it out of the park is why were sitting on so many subsequent movies in the franchise. I just came across an article that says we'll have three more releases in 2018. http://io9.gizmodo.com/three-x-men-movies-new-mutants-deadpool-2-and-dark-ph-1794561256

However, I never look at superhero type movies as automatic guarantees of success. Not even if the comic was amazingly popular for decades. Comic popularity will get people to the theater, sometimes based on just nostalgia, but if the first movie doesn't do it for the fans, it won't bring them back for subsequent films. It's definitely a gamble worth taking, especially for the actors, because if something takes off, you're looking at a role that will keep the money coming in for some time to come.

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Hugh Jackman's character aging actually does get addressed in Logan. Logan is set several years in the future, and the fact that the actor, and therefore the character, has aged isn't ignored. Further explanation would be spoilerish.

Just me, but as far as I'm concerned, you're not letting the cat out of the bag.

We saw the trailer for Logan during sitting through the previews when we went to see Rouge One. Even then, my comment was that the film was going to have a different feel to it, which can be good sometimes.

Considering all of the X-Men talk, would you recommend people to see it in the theater?

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RE: Please read entire question before answering. - 4/23/2017 3:35:43 AM

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The casting is a problem, as actors age a lot faster than immortal mutants with a healing factor. It's an even bigger problem when a film gets cast as perfectly as the first couple of X Men flicks were: you're absolutely right about McKellen nailing Magneto. That first film right from the off, he's very frightening indeed mostly because they have somebody playing the part who can make the lifetime of fury and frustration the character has lived through absolutely credible in a few lines of dialogue.

I think the first X-Men film hitting it out of the park is why were sitting on so many subsequent movies in the franchise. I just came across an article that says we'll have three more releases in 2018. http://io9.gizmodo.com/three-x-men-movies-new-mutants-deadpool-2-and-dark-ph-1794561256

However, I never look at superhero type movies as automatic guarantees of success. Not even if the comic was amazingly popular for decades. Comic popularity will get people to the theater, sometimes based on just nostalgia, but if the first movie doesn't do it for the fans, it won't bring them back for subsequent films. It's definitely a gamble worth taking, especially for the actors, because if something takes off, you're looking at a role that will keep the money coming in for some time to come.

Just look at Dredd: excellent film, but it tanked in the 'States because they didn't think it needed promoting as it was a film of a comics character and the nerds would all go and watch it anyway without them bothering. Doesn't seem to have occurred to anybody over there that the American nerds didn't grow up reading 2000AD and all Judge Dredd was to most of the American audience when Dredd came out is a shitty Stallone flick.

(I think Sony are concentrating on the X Men at the moment as that's the only one of the Marvel franchises they still have.)

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RE: Please read entire question before answering. - 4/23/2017 5:46:58 PM

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I can't say I thought much of (the first) Dredd. The second attempt seemed better.

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RE: Please read entire question before answering. - 4/23/2017 6:20:38 PM

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I enjoyed the hell out of the second Dredd. Lena Headey was a perfect villain.

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RE: Please read entire question before answering. - 4/23/2017 6:38:04 PM

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i liked the second one much better....and agree about Lena...

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RE: Please read entire question before answering. - 4/24/2017 5:04:24 AM

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Karl Urban was pretty impressive as well. (Apart from Stallone taking his hat off, he couldn't do the very dry humour and the ultra deadpan thing to save his life, both of which Urban nailed.)
My point about Dredd though is that it stiffed in the 'States because the distribution company couldn't be bothered to promote it any, assuming that he's a comics character so the nerds would go and see it whatever they did. They would have here (where it was promoted a bit) as most guys between twenty and fifty will at least have heard of 2000AD even if they've never read a copy, but outside of the UK Judge Dredd is barely even a cult. There's probably more American comics fans who've heard of The Human Gargoyles or Deathlok the Demolisher than knew Dredd from a hole in the ground when the shitawful Stallone film came out, and for some reason association with that hampered DC's attempt to license the character for the American market.

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RE: Please read entire question before answering. - 4/24/2017 6:07:03 AM

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OP I would enslave all the world for that is what us better altruistic folks do.

Lol, I guess any dominant worth their salt should be enslaving all the women of the world. You'd have unlimited women at your mercy, at least until the world ends.

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RE: Please read entire question before answering. - 4/24/2017 6:08:31 AM

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Don't anyone go see Logan, unless you want to walk out of the theater totally depressed and disillusioned. Just saying'.

Huh? I left Logan with so much hope! Didn't feel depressed! All the kids made it to safety! And he got a kick ass daughter to carry on his legacy! And best of all, he made her feel loved before he died.

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RE: Please read entire question before answering. - 4/24/2017 6:11:55 AM

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Have you watched Suicide Squad? That's how they gonna force you to do it!

Implant an explosive in your brain. You either save the world or die!

Funny you should mention it. I just watched the movie last week and I thought it was pretty good. I was very pleasantly surprised.

Yea, and I sooo badly want a whole movie on the joker and Harley Quinn romance, like pre-sequel or something. But looks like they are ditching this version of the joker. I really prefer him to Heath Ledger.

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RE: Please read entire question before answering. - 4/24/2017 6:20:18 AM

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Don't anyone go see Logan, unless you want to walk out of the theater totally depressed and disillusioned. Just saying'.

I'm kind of disappointed to hear this. Without spoilers, can you say why the film left you feeling this way? Was it just bad writing/directing, poor continuity, or something else?

I'm probably spoiling this. But the whole point of Logan is the death of Logan! And Logan is suppose to be the mutant who can't die. So obviously if even he dies, then everybody else must be dead. To me, I expected it.

Hugh Jackman last movie! Or perhaps, the journey of Logan on how he managed to kill himself. So people who loves Logan and all the usual X-men characters will feel sad.

But it's seriously the Best Wolverine movie and I never liked any of the previous Wolverine Movies. This one was perfect! It has heart and it was extremely touching. Logan's life always tragic anyway.

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RE: Please read entire question before answering. - 4/24/2017 6:44:44 AM

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RE: Please read entire question before answering. - 4/30/2017 4:39:54 PM

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If you were either spending time in prison or let out on parole (regardless of the crime, that doesn't matter) and suddenly acquired super powers an we're the only one who could save the world. Then something comes to threaten the planet and the government asked you to save the world, would you...?

(This could possibly be the dumbest fucking post I've ever seen).

(As in...like...all of human history).

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RE: Please read entire question before answering. - 4/30/2017 5:22:42 PM

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Don't anyone go see Logan, unless you want to walk out of the theater totally depressed and disillusioned. Just saying'.

Huh? I left Logan with so much hope! Didn't feel depressed! All the kids made it to safety! And he got a kick ass daughter to carry on his legacy! And best of all, he made her feel loved before he died.

Yeah, you just keep those rose colored glasses on Greta.

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RE: Please read entire question before answering. - 4/30/2017 8:16:40 PM

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We're headed to the theater to see the late show now. Wish us luck!

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RE: Please read entire question before answering. - 5/1/2017 12:26:32 AM

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OK, so we went and saw it. (My thanks to those who got me into the X-Men spirit. I've had fun these last couple of weeks with fellow fans.)

Even though I knew how it was going to end, (and that wasn't entirely Greta's fault) I still came away thinking it was pretty good. It was still darker than I thought it was going to be, but I think that kept me enjoying the film.

Is this the X-Men flick that you have to see in theaters? Probably not. Still, not bad. Not as good as the original or "First Class" but definitely better that "Apocalypse".

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RE: Please read entire question before answering. - 5/1/2017 4:07:27 AM

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I quite liked Days Of Future Past as well, but that was more over them sending Wolverine to one of the few years in history where his facial hair would attract no comment than anything to do with the plot (which was also quite '70s, now I think about it: the whole thing is pretty much an Elliot Gould caper movie with an additional shitload of angst...)

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RE: Please read entire question before answering. - 5/1/2017 5:27:13 PM

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OK, so we went and saw it. (My thanks to those who got me into the X-Men spirit. I've had fun these last couple of weeks with fellow fans.)

Even though I knew how it was going to end, (and that wasn't entirely Greta's fault) I still came away thinking it was pretty good. It was still darker than I thought it was going to be, but I think that kept me enjoying the film.

Is this the X-Men flick that you have to see in theaters? Probably not. Still, not bad. Not as good as the original or "First Class" but definitely better that "Apocalypse".

I'm glad I saw it at the theater. It was bleak, and in fact I just read that they are doing a limited run black and white version in some theaters this month, which die hard fans may appreciate.

But it was very depressing to me, in a way I wasn't expecting, even knowing that it could end with Logan's demise. I was not familiar with the comics, only the movies, and the movies were full of irony, humor, sarcasm, etc, things that always seem like minor but necessary details to being alive, to living. As long as you could still throw a smartass quip out there, there was still hope of living, if going on. I didn't feel that in Logan at all. It felt like a funeral procession, from the very beginning.

And I'm wondering how the other mutant films are going to reconcile their existences with the future for mutants that is laid out in Logan.

Any thoughts on whether Eden really existed, if the kids find it, or was it just an invention of the comic book? If so, what of the kids?

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RE: Please read entire question before answering. - 5/1/2017 6:00:05 PM

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Don't anyone go see Logan, unless you want to walk out of the theater totally depressed and disillusioned. Just saying'.

Huh? I left Logan with so much hope! Didn't feel depressed! All the kids made it to safety! And he got a kick ass daughter to carry on his legacy! And best of all, he made her feel loved before he died.

Yeah, you just keep those rose colored glasses on Greta.

I quite like the Marvel movies.
And like Greta, I didn't find Logan depressing either.

I think it showed how the legacy of mutants lives on even when the demise of some of the originals happens.
If anyone took any notice, the kids found what they described as Eden.
It leaves the door open for many more X-Men movies.

A bit dry in parts, but not depressing IMHO.

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RE: Please read entire question before answering. - 5/1/2017 6:36:54 PM

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Don't anyone go see Logan, unless you want to walk out of the theater totally depressed and disillusioned. Just saying'.

Huh? I left Logan with so much hope! Didn't feel depressed! All the kids made it to safety! And he got a kick ass daughter to carry on his legacy! And best of all, he made her feel loved before he died.

Yeah, you just keep those rose colored glasses on Greta.

I quite like the Marvel movies.
And like Greta, I didn't find Logan depressing either.

I think it showed how the legacy of mutants lives on even when the demise of some of the originals happens.

Some of the originals? The movie reframes the rise of mutants as a phase, one that naturally dies out. Mutants are all but extinct at this point. And the ones that still live pose a real threat to the human race simply by existing, despite every effort not to (Xavier).

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If anyone took any notice, the kids found what they described as Eden.

No, I don't think that was clear. The movies ended with them headed in the direction they thought it was in. But they hadn't yet found it, and it's existence was never confirmed.