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RE: Science anarchists - 4/27/2017 7:18:33 AM

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Gravity is an outside force - By displaying how fire behaves in zero gravity it scientifically brings into question your definition:
How can it be 'Natural' as in not requiring an outside force (Gravity) to feed it oxygen?

Can you tell us again how gravity feeds oxygen to the flame?

How can it be Aspirated if it does not produce a suction or air movement through it's own functions?

Can you tell us again how gravity produces suction?

a Naturally Aspirated Internal Combustion Engine works in zero G.
As the piston moves down it creates a partial vacuum which draws in air regardless of the gravity.

Can you tell us again how the vacuum produced by an ic engine is different than the vacuum produced by a flame?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid

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RE: Science anarchists - 4/27/2017 8:01:48 AM

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Incorrect, The thermal energy produced by the reaction is absorbed by the surrounding air, causing it to circulate via thermodynamics and gravity
(hot air rises, cold air descends) which is what causes more air is pushed into the combusting materials.

You can call it pushing but that is not what it is doing. The falling cold air is at the same temp and pressure as the surrounding air so it is not pushing.
The reduced pressure within the flame sucks more air into the combustion process.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

For Aspiration to occur naturally - AS PER YOUR DEFINITION - it would have to suck air into the flame with out any other external forces
being applied to it. And if we put it in exactly those conditions, like in zero gravity, the flame does NOT produce a vacuum effect drawing in extra
air, and instead produces a ball of burning material which eventually sputters out once all the fuel in it's area of effect is consumed.

Wrong again, the ball of burning material is fuel and oxygen. when the oxygen is consumed the flame goes out.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

Incorrect. If this where the case - then in a Zero Gravity environment the air would cycle naturally as different pressure systems would move the air around. But this - again - does not happen. The reason air Moves around is because the heated air becomes lighter and thus floats up as heavier cooler air sinks down in response as per the rules of gravity.

This is High School Physics here... how do you guys not comprehend this?

Basic physics, as the air is warmed it rises, thus displacing other air, and the colder air sinks and is ...........................oh, you know.....convection, grade school physics here how do you guys not know this?

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RE: Science anarchists - 4/27/2017 8:19:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: InfoMan

Gravity is an outside force - By displaying how fire behaves in zero gravity it scientifically brings into question your definition:
How can it be 'Natural' as in not requiring an outside force (Gravity) to feed it oxygen?

Can you tell us again how gravity feeds oxygen to the flame?

How can it be Aspirated if it does not produce a suction or air movement through it's own functions?

Can you tell us again how gravity produces suction?

This is an elementary level science experiment...
you should of seen this like in 5th grade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86ChgK38EIA

Do lack a 5th grade education?

Hot Air Rises.
Cold Air Descends.

cool air moves in to replace the heated air, which rises, which fuels the flame.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Can you tell us again how the vacuum produced by an ic engine is different than the vacuum produced by a flame?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid

An internal combustion engine's piston is pulled down via momentum of the drive shaft which it is connected to through it's control arm, as it is drawn down, it produces a cavity that produces a partial vacuum which sucks air in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdW1t8r8qYc

Fire does not produce a vacuum, which has been demonstrated via the NASA video fire being ignited in zero gravity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQQ1OHW1_F4

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RE: Science anarchists - 4/27/2017 8:19:36 AM

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If you stand in a room with a match or candle you can breath just fine and you will not burn.

assume an infinite candle and your life is infinite as long as you have oxygen, and you are in a closed room. what gives up first? oxygen is consumed, to be perfectly punctilious, transformed. It gets to be unusable.

Yanno, in zero gravity there is no oxygen, no air as we know it, in the real world, so the atmosphere that is present in zero gravity invalidates the entire test, (a little FYI) if you hold your hand directly above the flame, why does your hand burn? could it be that the hot air produced by the flame is rising, and the colder air 'runs' in underneath and oxygenates the flame? (so you dont like suck......or suction, how about: admits air? it aspires or draws it, this would indicate that coordinated air movement is necessary: http://www.chimneydoctors.com/solving-drafting-problems-for-fireplaces/ ) although I blast a MOAB 10 feet above your head you are going to feel some heinous air rush.... so, scalar is scalar....that test worked.

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RE: Science anarchists - 4/27/2017 9:09:30 AM

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If you stand in a room with a match or candle you can breath just fine and you will not burn.

assume an infinite candle and your life is infinite as long as you have oxygen, and you are in a closed room. what gives up first? oxygen is consumed, to be perfectly punctilious, transformed. It gets to be unusable.

Yanno, in zero gravity there is no oxygen, no air as we know it, in the real world, so the atmosphere that is present in zero gravity invalidates the entire test, (a little FYI) if you hold your hand directly above the flame, why does your hand burn? could it be that the hot air produced by the flame is rising, and the colder air 'runs' in underneath and oxygenates the flame? (so you dont like suck......or suction, how about: admits air? it aspires or draws it, this would indicate that coordinated air movement is necessary: http://www.chimneydoctors.com/solving-drafting-problems-for-fireplaces/ ) although I blast a MOAB 10 feet above your head you are going to feel some heinous air rush.... so, scalar is scalar....that test worked.

yanno - gravity is a measure of force, not of atmosphere.

and did you know that the International Space Station actually orbits inside earth's atmosphere?
It is just that the air is so thin, so very cold, and comprised predominantly of O1 and N1 (while we normally breath O2 and N2) that we just simply consider it an vacuum. Of course, scientifically it isn't.

So these tests which occurred in the International Space Station occurred inside an atmosphere at zero gravity. Making the test entirely valid and completely debunking your claim in it's entirety.

And while you sit here and try and shimmy your way around the word 'suck' - from a scientific perspective - Suction is a atmospheric difference in pressure. The lower pressure inside a cavity, causes the higher pressure from outside the cavity to rush in, producing 'suction'.

Because the heated air is following the rules of Buoyancy and not because of pressure differences, it is not 'sucking' and further invalidates your statement.

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RE: Science anarchists - 4/27/2017 10:02:30 AM

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so, inside the space station, they just said fuck that humans need to breathe, this is good to go. We put mustard on that N1O1 and eat that shit. or do you think they have environmental controls, like heat, light and normal air in the cabins?

In any case I think we both can agree that gravity is a field of force that distorts space time and operates on mass.

and of course the microgravity in the space station does affect flame, because natural convection no longer occurs.

Aspiration is not respiration, it is one component.

I am fine with lighting a bic and calling it a naturally aspirating flame.

I am fine with setting fire to the barn and calling it a naturally aspirating fire.

I also do not cause a vacuum when I aspirate, and I have never maintained that fire does, but it does draw and draft, as I do,

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RE: Science anarchists - 4/27/2017 10:10:34 AM

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Do I really want to become embroiled in this one

Dracarys

what we arguing over anyway fire
or was it this one I meant Jimi Hendrix Fire (lyric video)

not any of those whats the ones that starts Fire! I am growing as thicko as fuk as ive been reading too much boscox

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RE: Science anarchists - 4/27/2017 10:22:02 AM

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Gravity is an outside force - By displaying how fire behaves in zero gravity it scientifically brings into question your definition:
How can it be 'Natural' as in not requiring an outside force (Gravity) to feed it oxygen?

Can you tell us again how gravity feeds oxygen to the flame?

How can it be Aspirated if it does not produce a suction or air movement through it's own functions?

Can you tell us again how gravity produces suction?

This is an elementary level science experiment...
you should of seen this like in 5th grade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86ChgK38EIA

Do lack a 5th grade education?

You obviously do lack a 5th grade education because your experiment does not prove what you think it does.

Hot Air Rises.
Cold Air Descends.

Cold air would descend in gravity because it is heavier.This is zero gravity thus the heavier cold air would
not descend. Hot air would not rise for the same reason.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

cool air moves in to replace the heated air, which rises, which fuels the flame.

In zero gravity when the fuel is consumed the flame goes out.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Can you tell us again how the vacuum produced by an ic engine is different than the vacuum produced by a flame?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid

An internal combustion engine's piston is pulled down via momentum of the drive shaft which it is connected to through it's control arm, as it is drawn down, it produces a cavity that produces a partial vacuum which sucks air in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdW1t8r8qYc

Fire does not produce a vacuum, which has been demonstrated via the NASA video fire being ignited in zero gravity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQQ1OHW1_F4

Actually it does. As the fuel and air mixture burn the combustion process draws oxygen
from the atmosphere to support combustion. When the fuel is exhausted the flame goes out.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: Science anarchists - 4/27/2017 11:01:21 AM

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All thingies gravity (gravy(graviton-allegdly)) reach across the observable universe (apparently) not necessary infinite, but that is one hell of a reach…as does light/radiation - call it what you will. What about energy? Some say the existence of the universe is to consume energy, other say it is too consume scones – same thingy really

There is no such thing as a total vacuum either.

I have a match and a bit of wood now why, and how, does that burn? - heh that would make a good thread on its own

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RE: Science anarchists - 4/27/2017 11:24:48 AM

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I have a match and a bit of wood now why, and how, does that burn? - heh that would make a good thread on its own

If you apply that lit match to your wood it will leave a mark and make you howl loud enough to frighten your cats.

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RE: Science anarchists - 4/27/2017 11:37:39 AM

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this is funny, snotty is actually getting warmer, hasnt hit the target yet, but at least hit the backboard, maybe even figgered out his error and why he got his ass handed to him and just aint gonna admit it now, tommy aint even close.

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RE: Science anarchists - 4/27/2017 11:48:10 AM

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LOL. RealZeroRetard is still not closing in on the fact that he is a fucking retard, and demonstrably knows nothing about this whatsoever, like all the other asswipe he posts.

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RE: Science anarchists - 4/27/2017 12:13:13 PM

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RE: Science anarchists - 4/27/2017 1:00:30 PM

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I thought he moved to Argentina ...Look even I know he didnt die and that is the true travesty :( - he was too stupid to have 100 escape plans.

heh realOne gonna tell me how many fuking jews - answer the fuking question

Iron Sky Official Theatrical Trailer [HD] worth a watch I fair liked it 7/10

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RE: Science anarchists - 4/27/2017 1:01:57 PM

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I am the only man on here with hot water bottle burns :)

what do flames burn at?, or burns?

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RE: Science anarchists - 4/27/2017 1:56:01 PM

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what do flames burn at?, or burns?

That is a little like asking how high is up.
A candle flame can contain temperatures from about 2000 f down to around 600 f. The blue part by the wick being hotter
than the orange part at the tip.
The sun, on the other hand, is somewhat hotter.

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RE: Science anarchists - 4/27/2017 2:04:49 PM

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awe that dick about 1.5 million times too big for your ass eh

hurry sign up now before its too late, so you can be a holocaust victim too!

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RE: Science anarchists - 4/27/2017 2:10:56 PM

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I thought he moved to Argentina ...Look even I know he didnt die and that is the true travesty :( - he was too stupid to have 100 escape plans.

heh realOne gonna tell me how many fuking jews - answer the fuking question

Iron Sky Official Theatrical Trailer [HD] worth a watch I fair liked it 7/10

save it for the holocaust thread dont shit yourself I will get back to it eventually

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RE: Science anarchists - 4/27/2017 2:16:01 PM

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awe that dick about 1.5 million times too big for your ass eh

hurry sign up now before its too late, so you can be a holocaust victim too!

Here is your chance to not only make a few bux but also prove your point to everyone on the board.
Sign up and if what you think it means is true you will get a cheque and you can do the happy dance on
the heads of all of your detractors.
If they laugh you out of town then you will know why so many people disagree with your particular brand
of stupid.

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RE: Science anarchists - 4/27/2017 6:04:28 PM

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and be indoctrinated by having a hole drilled in my head and half my brains sucked out like you snotty and the whore, I htink not. Worse my name associated with criminal zionism for all of eternity, are you out of your fucking mind, yes I think you are. No tommy just look at this board zionism is todays religion, its so wonderful people convert it to gobblemint, which is why we have such a wonderful honest gubmint, you know land of the free and all that shit.

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