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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/4/2017 10:00:00 AM

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We've all got our preferences, regardless of our gender, or our sexuality, but she doesn't seem to be grasping this.

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I think by saying 99% has left room for exceptions! And acknowledgement that, there are rare cases where people may not do what is Norm.

But if all of you guys are trying to say that it's common for Most Lesbians to WANT TO DATE M2F, and whatever OP is going through, the prejudice she face from Lesbians is NOT COMMON at all.

Seriously, you are all being dishonest about it and just choosing the political correct statement.

I think I am giving OP the realistic picture that, as an M2F, it will be more difficult for her to date Lesbians, than biological Females who identify as Lesbians. So she should expect it to be hard. As she needs to find the rare 1%.

No, Greta, you're pulling figures out of your arse to try and prove your very bigoted POV.

You're talking a lot of bullshit about Lesbians concerning transgender females as a very bigoted straight female, for which you have no right. Not only that, but you can't even get you damn facts right.

I've often defended you in these forums, but on this subject it's about time you stopped now. You're passed offensive.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/4/2017 4:40:10 PM

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First off. BDSM is not always about sex. It may very well be for you, but not for everyone else.

As for your attempt to bully me into answering your childish demands, I'm still laughing. Assume all you want, you DO know how to spell assume don't you?

You want to live in a world of hateful absolutes feel free.

As for me, you are blocked. Have a nice day

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/4/2017 6:38:26 PM

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Actually this is that broken clock moment when Greta was right.
Yes, it's one percent. But not just transgenders. All of us are lucky to meet the one right person we are compatible with. So a lot less than one percent. Maybe ten in six billion?

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/5/2017 12:01:25 PM

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I personally have mixed feelings about how I'd approach a relationship with a transgender person, and it is purely from a sex POV. I have seen photos, and for all I know may have met some FtM men that I have found very attractive. So as males I see no issue with them ... well actually now I think of it, two things ... one being height, because I have a thing about tall men, so if he's tall, all groovy, but then after that it really does depend on how the transitioning works. I admit my ignorance here, and it's not for the lack of trying to research the subject. You see I can not stand toys when it comes to sex. It's boring. I'm sorry to be so crude, but I want to be fucked by a hard cock. That's what does it for me, and no amount of telling me that there are other ways to orgasm ... I mean for crying out loud, I can do that myself ... but what is the point of having a man if I can't have him as I want him? Now, if a transgender man is capable of giving me that, we're set to go.

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I didn't find it crude at all. In fact, I think it's a great way to describe this in a nutshell because you very specifically listed two preferences. Even if we were talking about cis men, nobody that you were choosing not to date would get to start throwing the prejudice card if they weren't what you wanted from your relationship.

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I hope this photo comes up clear enough. This is Nicole Maines who was born an identical twin boy but transitioned M->F. I am hardly familiar with Lesbian preferences but I don't see how Nicole would fail to be attractive to many gay ladies.

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Nor to a few lecherous old men.

Nicole Maines is a lovely young woman. I did not intend to minimize the topic of this thread by posting the photo. I hoped that Greta would see that Transgender people can be as attractive in their identified gender after transitioning. I am currently watching a documentary called TRANS on Amazon's On-line Service that is very informative. You can probably buy it if you are not a member of Amazon Prime. The movie is inspired by the work of Dr. Christine McGinn, who is the surgeon pictured below.

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I don't think you minimized it. I think there could have been more explored, if people had the interest.

You picked a very lovely young woman. Not to nail you to the cross for it or anything, but it's the easy go-to. Pick somebody that's especially attractive and of course, people are likely to say yes. This is something that I've heard discussed before on a few different levels because how physically attractive a person is when they are m2f, some view, as the ability to be accepted more. Kind of like the same thinking of how it goes for cis women when we're talking about how looks matter in some areas.

But there's still more to it. Thanks to your post, I got a chance to read more about this young woman. She's had other advantages that I think are interesting, too.

Diagnosed early, medical treatment so that she never developed what people call 'male features,' family financially affluent enough to be able to move so that she could live stealth after the court case started, and because she already had all of her prerequisites for SRS fulfilled by the time she was eighteen, she was able to do that prior to college. Areas that this same young woman wouldn't have had if she had been born twenty years earlier. These areas, to me, would have to at least help in self acceptance, adjustment, and so on. Wouldn't these, too, influence a person?

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/5/2017 2:07:31 PM

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Why would anyone want to be in a relationship with a trans unless they were trans themself?

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/5/2017 2:57:53 PM

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You see it all the time. Straight people hating gY people. Gay people hearing them back. Lesbians not accepting m2f lesbian transgenders.transgenders stuck in the middle of it all. And what's wrong wth a m2f choosing to be a lesbian after their surgery?

It seems that of all the LGBTQ community are the outcasts, people thinking they're only they're only in it for the sex.

Please lend your thoughts about the way transgenders are treated even by the LGBTQ community,

Take a look at my little blurb about society right there to the left. That explains it.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/5/2017 8:52:32 PM

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First off. BDSM is not always about sex. It may very well be for you, but not for everyone else.

As for your attempt to bully me into answering your childish demands, I'm still laughing. Assume all you want, you DO know how to spell assume don't you?

You want to live in a world of hateful absolutes feel free.

As for me, you are blocked. Have a nice day

Again, to me, you kinda just distracting from me simply asking you IF you can honestly say that you will date a M2F?

And you are unable to say that you could. You mean asking you to vouch for yourself that you will date M2F is bullying you? Wow! I am just simply asking you IF you will date M2F, and you have refused to answer that question. Love how that is bullying!

So to me, you just simply prove that, I am right that few Lesbians will date M2F. After all, you are practically the only Lesbian who bothered responding in this thread.

Seriously, if somebody made a thread about Straight Females won't date Straight Men. I would defend it because it's not true.

But alot of defense seem to have came from Non-Lesbians, and not Lesbians themselves.

And the real prejudice here for the rest of you guys, is that you guys are outrage that biological Female lesbians only want to date biological Females Lesbians.

What is wrong with that IN THE FIRST PLACE?

I want to date only Biological Straight Males too! Is there anything wrong with this? So this is being Prejudice towards Male Transgenders? This is political correctness gone nuts! In a world where I am practicing HATE if I refuse to date a woman who chooses to transform into a man!

I will not date a Transgender Male ever! Although technically, that is the best way to have a baby and have the man give birth on your behalf. But I still wouldn't! How many of you Straight Biological Females would?

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/5/2017 9:16:20 PM

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There isn't a whole lot of research out there on this subject, Greta, but there is some. Just glancing through this article published in December suggests that you are WAY off in your assumptions, as 47% of LGB people surveyed said they would consider dating a trans person. https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/12/ethics-transgender-dating/.

(I believe the sample was 1000 LBGTQ respondents on Match.com)

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/5/2017 9:27:34 PM

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I think I am giving OP the realistic picture that, as an M2F, it will be more difficult for her to date Lesbians, than biological Females who identify as Lesbians. So she should expect it to be hard. As she needs to find the rare 1%.

In my experiences, both here and on vanilla sites, the majority of Lesbians are at least willing to humor the idea of dating me even though I clearly identify as a trans woman. Perhaps you are the one that is rare? That said, you or any other Lesbian doesn't have to date me if they don't want to, just like anyone else for whatever reasons. Some people will only date blondes...

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/5/2017 9:29:30 PM

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There isn't a whole lot of research out there on this subject, Greta, but there is some. Just glancing through this article published in December suggests that you are WAY off in your assumptions, as 47% of LGB people surveyed said they would consider dating a trans person. https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/12/ethics-transgender-dating/.

(I believe the sample was 1000 LBGTQ respondents on Match.com)

I would love a survey done purely with biological Female Lesbians to see actual figures.

Because in that survey includes Bisexuals. And it's a no brainer Bisexuals would.

Also, I believe more biological gay men are willing to accept a gay F2M. Than biological female Lesbian accepting a lesbian M2F.

And over all, it's below 50% still. I wonder out of those 47%, what is the percentage are biological Lesbian Females.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/5/2017 9:33:51 PM

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In my experiences, both here and on vanilla sites, the majority of Lesbians are at least willing to humor the idea of dating me even though I clearly identify as a trans woman. Perhaps you are the one that is rare? That said, you or any other Lesbian doesn't have to date me if they don't want to, just like anyone else for whatever reasons. Some people will only date blondes...

I am not a Lesbian BTW. I don't date Females, period. But biological Lesbians are not uncommon around here. It is uncommon though for M2F to be into biological females around here in the first place. Usually they go for biological males.

But end of the day, that's the way it is. As you said, some people don't date blondes. Nothing wrong with that.

My thread isn't about Biological Lesbians should not date M2F.

But that it is a reality that biological female lesbian will rarely choose M2F above a biological female lesbian as a life partner. And if OP had your attitude towards it, there will be no issues for her. If it doesn't offend or upset if a biological female lesbian say they aren't into you.

I mean, I am Asian, and I get both Asian and Non-Asian men tell me all the time, they aren't into Asians, and I am totally cool with that too! I am a woman who is not afraid to go after who I am attracted to. And have faced loads of rejections, but for me, it's all about, better to know than never know.

I just don't equate dating preferences to hate. Even if those that only date within their race.

What is debatable here though is how true is it that most biological Lesbians will consider a M2F as their life partners.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/5/2017 9:44:37 PM

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I am not a lesbian BTW. I don't date Females, period.

But end of the day, that's the way it is. As you said, some people don't date blondes. Nothing wrong with that.

My thread isn't about Biological Lesbians should not date M2F.

But that it is a reality that biological female lesbian will rarely choose M2F above a biological female lesbian as a life partner. And if OP had your attitude towards it, there will be no issues. It doesn't offend or upset if a biological female lesbian say they aren't into you.

I mean, I am Asian, and I get men tell me all the time, they aren't into Asians, and I am totally cool with that too!

So you are posting about something you know very little about then and making assumptions about who Lesbians might date as a heterosexual woman? Really?

OP, please listen to a trans woman who actually dates Lesbians or an actual cis-gender Lesbian...

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/5/2017 9:48:15 PM

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She wont do that Demura.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/5/2017 9:54:18 PM

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So you are posting about something you know very little about then and making assumptions about who Lesbians might date as a heterosexual woman? Really?

OP, please listen to a trans woman who actually dates Lesbians or an actual cis-gender Lesbian...

Do I need to be male to know that most straight biological males will not date M2F too? Come on! I know enough Males and Lesbians in my life.

But yes, actually, you are the one who can be most helpful to OP, so I agree with you that OP should speak with you on how you manage to date biological Lesbians, as OP is seeking acceptance by Biological Lesbians.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/5/2017 9:59:30 PM

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And when the question of dating someone trans came up, again the survey found a deep divide: more than half of those participating said they would not date someone who identifies as transgender.

That finding surprised Garcia, according to the newspaper. “I thought more people would be open to dating someone who’s transgender,” he said. “It was a good reminder that gender operates in very complicated ways; people are attracted to very specific things.”

This was from Wayward's article link, survey of LGB.

I don't know why Garcia is surprised. I think one of the interesting side-effect of being in a kink community, is that, probably people here gets exposed to what is not really the norm more often that they feel it's the norm. Because no matter what, in a Kink Community, all the impossible become possible.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/5/2017 10:30:19 PM

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And when the question of dating someone trans came up, again the survey found a deep divide: more than half of those participating said they would not date someone who identifies as transgender.

That finding surprised Garcia, according to the newspaper. “I thought more people would be open to dating someone who’s transgender,” he said. “It was a good reminder that gender operates in very complicated ways; people are attracted to very specific things.”

This was from Wayward's article link, survey of LGB.

Point being Greta, that you really need to rethink you 99% assumption, because that number is actually more like 53%

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/5/2017 11:33:32 PM

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By claiming that lesbians refuse to date transwomen, you're strongly hinting that transwomen aren't really women. I dispute that, and caution you that you'll piss off transwomen.

Transwomen ARE NOT biological Women!

FACT!

You made a statement which I don't really understand. Then you add the word 'fact' after it, written in all caps. That's not convincing me.

Transwomen are born dysphoric, with male bodies and female brains. The obvious solution, treating this as a mental condition and leaving the body untouched, resulted in suicides and lawsuits. So today the treatment to relieve the dysphoria involves changing the body.

There is an odd idea running around that a trans person decides on an idle whim to transition. That is false. Transitioning is a messy process, involving losing friends and family, having health risks due to mucking with hormones, and significant expense (just the sexual reassignment surgery alone for MtFs runs about $25k in the US).

The term "biological female" isn't very well defined. "Assigned male/female at birth is, I believe, clearer.

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They wanna get pissed off and angry about Facts. That's their problem.

They should take their issue up with Nature and not us who are just stating Facts of Life!

Again, you stating that something is a fact does not make it so. They sometimes do get ticked off that they need extensive steps to transition, and that they sonetimes encounter bigots after they've done as much as they can.

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They are angry or not happy about not being born biological male or female? That's their personal issues. Nothing to do with me.

Agreed, except for your use of the term "biological female". Are you feeling anger directed at you for them being born in the wrong body?

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I don't understand why should I see them as Females when they aren't biological Females. Why are they entitled to want other people to see them as Females?

If a child is born crippled, and has surgery to repair that and subsequently walks with no limp, would you still call that child a cripple?

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IF tomorrow, I want to be seen as a Polar Bear. And nobody recognizes me as a Polar Bear or addresses me as one. I am not gonna get pissed off at anybody. Because biologically, I am NOT a Polar Bear. They were right! What do I have to be pissed off about? Being Polar Bear was just MY idea! It's not other people's Idea that I want to be a Polar Bear!

Again, you seem to think that transitioning is an idle whim. It's not. Go study polar bears for a few years, have surgery to remake your skull to be identical to a polar bear's, get treatments to grow fur, have your teeth remade to be sharper and more suited to a carnivore, bulk up, and do everything in your power to become a polar bear. THEN talk to me.

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Transgender being pissed off by hearing the Truth is seriously, their personal issues and problems!

And imagine being pissed off being called a Biological Male, when, that is scientifically accurate and literally a Fact.

You claim it is a fact. I see no proof that it is, and not simply your own opinion.. Or a definition of "biological male".

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That's actually absolutely crazy and not sane of them to do that!

If you guys think it's not insane to get mad at accurate scientific labelling like biological male and not biological female.

You're in twilight zone!

Thank you for your opinion. It's not fact, though. And I disagree with it.

My own viewpoint has been shaped by several trans friends.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/5/2017 11:44:27 PM

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Why would anyone want to be in a relationship with a trans unless they were trans themself?

Can I answer this? I am a cis man. I am in a relationship with a trans woman.

I never had a desire for a trans woman. I still don't. Tasha is not a trans woman as much as she is a woman who happens to be trans. She has breasts (nice ones btw), and does not look at all like a man.

Unfortunately, I was not able to specify all the criteria I wanted in a woman and get it delivered. So I simply started a relationship with the most compatible woman I found. If I could have found a cis woman with all Tasha's positives, I would have been interested. But Tasha's positives far outweigh her negatives. Her intelligence, sense of humor, kinks, affectionate nature, etc. mesh with mine.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/5/2017 11:46:37 PM

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OK, you got me now Steve, what is cis? Is it another clandestine government agency?

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/5/2017 11:56:30 PM

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It's the opposite of trans. In my case, I was born with a male brain and male body, with no dysphoria and no drive to transition. Also works with women who are born with female brains and female bodies.

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