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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 9/15/2017 7:02:43 AM   
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Folks, I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but this poster is no longer around, She committed suicide a few months ago.


thanks WS for the notice....

damn,...... That's So sad to hear. I was a bit concerned about that feeling in her when I read the OP....

Another GLBTQ person in so much personal pain that they feel its better to die than stay in that perpetual mental prison fighting who they are, ....against what they feel society is demanding they be instead.

Sadly, a growing statistic...

R.I.P. - grrrrlfriend...

Ya know there is many straight people who commit suicides too. So like, I don't think this is an Trans problem. It's simply depression. It hits anybody. She happen to be Trans and happen to be suffering from mental diseases.
Someone else could be depressed for being too short. Or having no boobs. If they aren't suffering from depression, they could be trans and navigate their way through the challenges.


note I said hers is a GROWING statistic. not the ONLY one. there's no "simple" about depression. before I settled the issue(s) of who I am, depression made a mess of My life that I will spend the rest of My life recovering from.

And most people who realize or are told they have it will tell u not much different. Once it gets that bad, death by ur own hand is a constant companion who makes Me remind Myself why I want to live, create, overcome, and help others.

My depression is one of a myriad of reasons I donate My time to help others keep their jobs by repairing their cars, so they don't have to feel like I once did.




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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 9/15/2017 8:27:45 AM   
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there's no "simple" about depression

QFT.
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Once it gets that bad, death by ur own hand is a constant companion

QFT

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 9/15/2017 10:11:36 AM   
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I had a thought occur to me. Just a thought. (I'm sure crucifixion is coming...)

I know. It's really off of the wall.

How about we <expletive> MF'in just deal with humans on their own (or lack thereof) merit???


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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 9/15/2017 11:50:20 AM   
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Several people identified her via information she put in her profile and journal. If you were unable to, you're just dense. Not a shocker.

That's probably because I don't stalk people online and try to identify them in real life, because I respect their privacy. IF they wanted their full identity to be known, they will put it in their profile, I wouldn't have to go dig and connect the dots through online search. That's stalking.


No, you stupid cunt, we weren't stalking her. Way back when she was posting she wrote of her intention to commit suicide. A few of us on the forums went into her profile and journal to reach out to her and located her via the information she posted there. We were too late, as her obituary in her small town confirmed.

I absolutely promise that under no circumstances would I ever similarly "stalk" you.


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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 9/15/2017 12:31:56 PM   
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Yeah. but given how fucking stupid you are.....

Be careful, you're going to OD on those irony supplements.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 9/15/2017 12:56:49 PM   
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LOL
And that is some ironic coming from you. :)
Now piss off.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 9/15/2017 6:13:10 PM   
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Goodness that's terrible.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 9/15/2017 6:18:08 PM   
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Goodness that's terrible.


Yeah... this place is the last place anyone who is suicidal should look for help.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 9/28/2017 5:52:39 AM   
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Having finally caught up with this thread that I only made a couple of fleeting comments on, two things stood out for me.
The Obit is sad and many trans individuals must be going through similar thoughts at times.
The two things for me, and probably hold true for many trans and those seeing them, were early comments made by LP and another.....
"There's a difference between 'that's just another woman' and 'that person looks like a guy in a dress'." and the remark about ugly personalities.
Yes, there are those so shallow that looks are everything and yes, there are those who think personality rises above looks every time; but most of us sit somewhere between those two extremes.

As for the trans community (and I only really know one post-opt M2F), a lot of them seem to fit LP's comment. That seems to be the trigger for the majority of the hate comments and angst behaviour.
Many that do manage the transition successfully also seem to carry a huge chip on their shoulder and have an ugly personality that shines much darker than normal that people can see and detect for miles - OP being one of them.
So maybe trans people need to look closer at what they are presenting to the biased world - not just physically, but also mentaly.

I see through Greta's sweeping statements and I understand her PoV.
I also take the opposite PoV from Bounty too. Are some Trans people born with the wrong brain and therefore seek to rectify it by physical surgery to match it? Or should they undergo psychological adjustment to accept what they were physically born as? I personally think the latter rather than the former - but I'm heavilly biased.

Regardless of the constant arguments about women needing bits removed for one reason or another to counter the arguments about trans people being who they think they are, I tend to think along the lines of how they would be identified a few centuries after they were buried and dug up by archeologists.
Most times, gender is declared by DNA and chromosomes.
Yes, there are those few who are unfortunate in having a screwed-up DNA chain and chromosome aberrations, but the majority of us are diploid and are either XX or XY. Which is why, rightly or wrongly, I hold the opinion I do.


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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 9/28/2017 1:18:42 PM   
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Why would anyone want to be in a relationship with a trans unless they were trans themself?


Can I answer this? I am a cis man. I am in a relationship with a trans woman.

I never had a desire for a trans woman. I still don't. Tasha is not a trans woman as much as she is a woman who happens to be trans. She has breasts (nice ones btw), and does not look at all like a man.

Unfortunately, I was not able to specify all the criteria I wanted in a woman and get it delivered. So I simply started a relationship with the most compatible woman I found. If I could have found a cis woman with all Tasha's positives, I would have been interested. But Tasha's positives far outweigh her negatives. Her intelligence, sense of humor, kinks, affectionate nature, etc. mesh with mine.


I saw her picture. She looks very much like a man. I think a situation like you're in works if you are gay in denial. Or bi.



Holyyyyy fuck.

DS- you're lovely- so is Tasha. This poster is just bitter.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 9/28/2017 7:40:23 PM   
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FD believes trans people should not be allowed to transition. But be forced to have therapy to accept being in the wrong body.

The fact that for almost a hundred years this has been done and never works means nothing to him.

I wonder if he feels that this should be the treatment for other birth defects? Don't correct cleft palate with surgery, just learn to accept it?

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 9/28/2017 8:27:59 PM   
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FD believes trans people should not be allowed to transition. But be forced to have therapy to accept being in the wrong body.

The fact that for almost a hundred years this has been done and never works means nothing to him.

I wonder if he feels that this should be the treatment for other birth defects? Don't correct cleft palate with surgery, just learn to accept it?

He probably believes in "gay conversion therapy" too. Fucking idiot.


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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 9/28/2017 10:16:01 PM   
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FD believes trans people should not be allowed to transition. But be forced to have therapy to accept being in the wrong body.

The fact that for almost a hundred years this has been done and never works means nothing to him.

I wonder if he feels that this should be the treatment for other birth defects? Don't correct cleft palate with surgery, just learn to accept it?

I said nothing of the sort Des.
I just happen to think that when there's a choice, surgery isn't always the answer.
As for those old therapies, they were barbaric and almost guaranteed not to work. Just like toture only produces what they want to hear, not necessarily the truth.

Only in very recent years have they managed to identify the actual differences between male and female brains so it won't be too long before there is an effective treatment.
Just like the very recent ultrasound treatment to cure major tremours that is non-invasive and an instant life-time cure for the condition. This wasn't available a year ago so I still hold that major SRS is a barbaric "cure" for those afflicted.

The cleeft palate comparison is a non-starter as it's purely a physical defect like many other birth defects and should be helped with surgery.
Do you think we should continue drilling holes in the heads of migraine sufferers? Or perhaps we should invent a pill to relieve the symptoms?
I'm all for the latter, not the former.


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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 9/28/2017 10:18:31 PM   
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He probably believes in "gay conversion therapy" too. Fucking idiot.


Typical literal projections of non-related subjects.
Sexual preference has nothing to do with gender.


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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 9/29/2017 7:23:29 AM   
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You see it all the time. Straight people hating gY people. Gay people hearing them back. Lesbians not accepting m2f lesbian transgenders.transgenders stuck in the middle of it all. And what's wrong wth a m2f choosing to be a lesbian after their surgery?

It seems that of all the LGBTQ community are the outcasts, people thinking they're only they're only in it for the sex.

Please lend your thoughts about the way transgenders are treated even by the LGBTQ community,



I don't think you should 'expect' that lesbians will accept trans m2f.

Like I get where you are coming from with the frustration of being rejected by lesbians.

By going for women that prefer strictly women, aka lesbians, it may mean they want the female side of things 100%.
Not exactly in-between male and female, which is pretty much what trans is. They have aspects of both.

I'm not trying to be offensive here but it is just how I see it and probably the reality of things.

It may be a better idea to search for Bi individuals as they are open to both male and female so more chance they are open to different levels
on the male to female spectrum.

Now I'm probably more straight but I'd probably be open to dating m2f as long as they are not intending on getting surgery.
I suppose it is because I do prefer men.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 9/29/2017 8:57:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou
note I said hers is a GROWING statistic. not the ONLY one. there's no "simple" about depression.

You know what? Kids as young as 10 yr old in Japan are committing suicide because of failing exams too.

People commit suicide for a whole range of issues. And just like the kids in the Japan. There would be those who can cope with the high pressure and not kill themselves. And there are gonna be kids who will kill themselves because they can't take the pressure.

Everyone struggles with something that challenges them most in life.

I don't see this as a transgender exclusive issue. Many transgenders are not suicidal either.

And for this specific OP case. Seriously..., she is lonely and wants to be in a love relationship, but her orientation makes the pool of available people for the relationship she wants very very limited. If she cannot deal with that reality. Her choice of her very special orientation will make her finding love also extremely difficult. Harder than if she just stuck to being a male. Because if I remember correctly, she is a male who wants to be woman but want to continue to date females. Pretty challenging stuffs. I bet Bruce Jenner is facing precisely the same problem right now. Straight male who likes only women, but likes to also dress as a woman. Essentially, wants to be a woman, but do not like men and want to continue being with women. Gosh...., and Bruce himself also find it challenging to date.

It's like a reality. And when one wants to choose to be very unique and go against the normal grains of society. They also need the courage and guts and just the mettle to survive life punches thrown at you.

All of us are into kink. And most of us, I think would be quite a nightmare if we "outed" ourselves for those who have not yet put themselves with dealing with such a reality.

OP is openly whatever she is. It's like living a life being "outed". It is not an easy life.

And her problem can't be solved. I personally think, she is in a better place now. Just more peaceful as she couldn't handle life.


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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 9/29/2017 2:29:16 PM   
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FD, being in the wrong body is a birth defect for transgendered people. And that's what you refuse to accept.

Newsflash: you don't get to decide this for them.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 9/29/2017 2:45:58 PM   
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He probably believes in "gay conversion therapy" too. Fucking idiot.


there are loving, intelligent, educated and well reasoned people who believe that homosexuality (and "transgenderism") is an aberration, and a learned one at that.

as such, it both can and should be treated with therapy.

sometimes there is success, sometimes there is not---the point being that people who hold to these things are not "fucking idiots,", they simply understand things differently than you and have values you don't share.

that you don't or cannot recognize that...guess what, that makes you the....

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 10/1/2017 2:19:05 PM   
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 10/2/2017 6:17:47 AM   
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"British Professor Shows "Sex Change Regret" is Rising, University Takes Away His Funding"

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The Telegraph U.K. reports that Bath Spa University initially approved a professor’s research grant to study “de-transitioning” transgendered individuals, but revoked the money after surprising early results in the study were deemed “politically incorrect” by the ethics committee.

“De-transitioning” is the term used to describe the process in which individuals operationally change their sex choice back to their biological sex after regretting a transgender reassignment surgery.

Professor James Caspian is a psychotherapist whose specialty is transgendered individuals.

In 2014, Caspian had a conversation with Professor Diroslav Djordjevic that sparked curiosity. Djordjevic is the “world-leading genital reconstructive surgeon.”

Djordjevic mentioned to Caspian interesting empirical evidence; his own surgeries that he preformed. Djoredjevic is convinced that the number of individuals who undergo sex change operations, regret their decision, and opt to change back to their biological sex is on the rise.

His patients come from all over the world, experience depression, and sometimes have suicidal thoughts, says the surgeon.

"It can be a real disaster to hear these stories,” says the 52-year-old.

Djordjevic practices strict guidelines to hopefully prevent individuals from regretting their sex change operation. He requires that his potential patients go through a rigorous psychological evaluation that lasts nearly two years. They also must provide two professional recommendations that show why the patient is making a safe and proper decision.

Other clinics, the doctor notes, do not practice this. Other places simply require a check.

“I have heard stories of people visiting surgeries who only checked if they had the money to pay,” he says. “We have to stop this. As a community, we have to make very strong rules: nobody who wants to make this type of surgery or just make money can be allowed to do so.”

His main fear is that the the medical community will soon deem it ethical to provide transition surgeries to minors.

“I’m afraid what will happen five to 10 years later with this person,” he says. “It is more than about surgery; it’s an issue of human rights. I could not accept [minors] as a patient because I’d be afraid what would happen to their brain and mind.”

With so little understood about the long term effects of sex change surgery, Professor Caspian wanted to understand the extent and reasons why patients decide to change back. Bath Spa University at first approved his funding request for this endeavor.

But, Professor Caspian’s study into this subject was defunded after the administration was afraid his findings would harm the university’s reputation in the transgendered community. Caspian said that,

"The fundamental reason given was that it might cause criticism of the research on social media, and criticism of the research would be criticism of the university. They also added it’s better not to offend people. University exists to encourage discussion, research, dissent even, challenging ideas that are out of date or not particularly useful.”

He added that the university told him,

"Engaging in a potentially politically incorrect piece of research carries a risk to the university. Attacks on social media may not be confined to the researcher, but may involve the university. The posting of unpleasant material on blogs or social media may be detrimental to the reputation of the university.”

As the Telegraph piece notes, Bath Spa is potentially committing a dangerous mistake by shutting down his research.

As Professor Djordjevic explains, many transgendered individuals regret their decisions and contemplate suicide. Professor Caspian’s research could help prevent confused individuals from making a life altering decision that they are going to regret.


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2017/10/01/british-professor-shows-sex-change-regret-is-rising-university-takes-away-his-funding-n2389308

maybe all the people expressing regret are "fucking idiots" too??

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