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Suicide - 5/11/2017 10:20:04 PM

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Should suicide be legalized? Personally, I think it should. Consider it population country not to mention an economic relief plan. It cost less to put someone out of their (and others') misery, than to continue to support them for the rest of their lives. It shouldn't matter if they're relatively , physically healthy or not. If they want to die, let them.

RE: Suicide - 5/11/2017 10:42:02 PM

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I think it is legal in some places now. I agree that it should be.

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RE: Suicide - 5/11/2017 10:54:31 PM

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I think it is legal in some places now. I agree that it should be.

Have either of you two ever heard of a corpse being arrested and thrown in jail?

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RE: Suicide - 5/11/2017 10:56:03 PM

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Well, years after his death, Oliver Cromwell was dug up and hung.

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RE: Suicide - 5/11/2017 11:03:53 PM

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I think it is legal in some places now. I agree that it should be.

Have either of you two ever heard of a corpse being arrested and thrown in jail?

K.

Ummmmmmmmm... no.

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RE: Suicide - 5/11/2017 11:05:01 PM

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I think suicide has been taken off the statute books in a number of places and that's fine but try getting an insurance company that will pay out on the death by suicide. It would be like looking for hen's teeth. Euthanasia has been legalised in a few countries but I have no idea what the insurance companies stance on that is.

Surely the easiest method would be to buy a gun and threaten a cop with it. you should have life expectancy of about 30 seconds.

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RE: Suicide - 5/11/2017 11:07:02 PM

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Guns are so messy though.

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RE: Suicide - 5/11/2017 11:12:45 PM

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all death is messy; there is no dignity in death, and at least with that method, the person who wants to die doesn't have to pull the trigger

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RE: Suicide - 5/12/2017 2:02:55 AM

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but try getting an insurance company that will pay out on the death by suicide.

Insurance companies in Singapore all pays for suicide!
But if suicide was legal, perhaps they will simply lengthen the waiting period.

Currently, they believe that, if someone buys insurance just to commit suicide to benefit their family, if they had to wait at least 1 year before committing the act, they would find a reason to live 1 year later.

So the conditions of paying for suicide is that, the person needs to wait 1 year from inception of policy not to commit suicide, and the insurers are so confident on this statistic that nobody will commit suicide if they survive for one year.

IF voluntary assisted suicide was legalized, maybe they will just extend the waiting period to 5 years.

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RE: Suicide - 5/12/2017 2:06:13 AM

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Should suicide be legalized? Personally, I think it should. Consider it population country not to mention an economic relief plan. It cost less to put someone out of their (and others') misery, than to continue to support them for the rest of their lives. It shouldn't matter if they're relatively , physically healthy or not. If they want to die, let them.

I support voluntary assisted suicide. But the cost of doing that, should also include the person choosing to die taking care of their own final expenses and arrangements.

I like the whole idea of clean and responsible suicide.

No messy deaths to clean up. It is all done in a controlled environment and all arrangements made for proper disposal of the body.

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RE: Suicide - 5/12/2017 2:08:18 AM

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all death is messy; there is no dignity in death, and at least with that method, the person who wants to die doesn't have to pull the trigger

The most popular way for terminally ill patients to commit suicide these days is called the Helium Bag Method. Very clean, very painless. Just gotta make sure they arrange for someone to come clear their body.

It is precisely invented to help terminally ill people who are in alot of pain end their life as their country refuse to allow voluntary assisted suicide.

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RE: Suicide - 5/12/2017 6:57:17 AM

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I'm talking about people that aren't terminally ill that simply are done with life. People that are tired of struggling with finances, mental health issues and people that ridicule them for (wanting attention, You people on here know who you are). People afraid of worrying about how they'll survive when no family or former friends will have anything to do with them. Living on low income, disability due to anxiety and depression because of these issues. Tax payers are getting tired of supporting these people, like me, because they can't work due to stress and anxiety of being around other people.

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RE: Suicide - 5/12/2017 7:12:17 AM

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Suicide in and of itself is not illegal, seriously, how can you punish a dead person.

However, assisting in a suicide is illegal in many states.

Finally, attempting to harm oneself, again is not illegal, however it is considered a sign of being mentally unstable and therefore law enforcement personnel are obligated to prevent one from harming themselves or others.

Thus attempting suicide is also not illegal, but indicative of a mental or emotional problem warranting professional help. One is not jailed for attempting suicide, but placed in a mental institution for at least a 72 hour observation period.

Of course, there are a number of judges and psychiatric professionals who have gone on record to say that not all suicides or attempted suicides are indicative of an emotional crisis. Case in point, a person diagnosed with a terminal condition is not considering suicide because of emotional strain, they are looking to avoid suffering or being a burden on family.

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RE: Suicide - 5/12/2017 7:48:29 AM

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I'm talking about people that aren't terminally ill that simply are done with life. People that are tired of struggling with finances, mental health issues and people that ridicule them for (wanting attention, You people on here know who you are). People afraid of worrying about how they'll survive when no family or former friends will have anything to do with them. Living on low income, disability due to anxiety and depression because of these issues. Tax payers are getting tired of supporting these people, like me, because they can't work due to stress and anxiety of being around other people.

If terminally ill people can use the helium bag method. So can people who aren't terminally ill. Go read more about it. It works and it's painless. Enjoy!

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RE: Suicide - 5/12/2017 8:15:29 AM

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I'm talking about people that aren't terminally ill that simply are done with life. People that are tired of struggling with finances, mental health issues and people that ridicule them for (wanting attention, You people on here know who you are). People afraid of worrying about how they'll survive when no family or former friends will have anything to do with them. Living on low income, disability due to anxiety and depression because of these issues. Tax payers are getting tired of supporting these people, like me, because they can't work due to stress and anxiety of being around other people.

You are aware that there are some really famous people that fit this criteria, and have gone on to make significant contributions to science, medicine and the arts after being helped through public programs?

Following your criteria, Stephen Hawking should have killed himself after he was diagnosed with Lou Gehrig's disease, the same would have been true for John Forges Nash jr.

Or 80% of combat vets suffering from PTSD, not to mention the number of physically abused women and children also suffering from this particular problem that often causes other problems such as bipolar disorder, depression etc.

Of course there are the vets who are going to the VA (which your tax dollars pay for) for ongoing treatment of health issues directly related to their service to this country.

Aside from the fact that many of the issues that you put forth are often temporary, i.e financial etc, your solution is flawed to say the least.

By your own criteria, children born with either a severe mental of physical impairment should be killed at birth, thus saving the tax payers money that would be paid to provide care and medical treatment for them until they are of an age to contribute in some significant or small manner to the tax revenues of the country.

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RE: Suicide - 5/12/2017 11:29:53 AM

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I think it is legal in some places now. I agree that it should be.

Never mind legal, let's make it compulsory for the alt rightists.

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RE: Suicide - 5/12/2017 11:59:14 AM

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I think it is legal in some places now. I agree that it should be.

Never mind legal, let's make it compulsory for the alt rightists.

That's no way to talk.

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RE: Suicide - 5/12/2017 12:05:51 PM

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Interesting read about the criminalization of suicide in the UK: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-14374296

Nowadays it would seem almost unthinkable to punish someone for attempting suicide, but until just half a century ago, it was a crime in England and Wales.

A Times leader on the subject noted that in 1956, 5,387 failed suicide attempts were known to police, and of those 613 were prosecuted. Most were discharged, fined or put on probation, but 33 were sent to prison.

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If proven, [suicides] were denied a Christian burial--and instead carried to a crossroads in the dead of night and dumped in a pit, a wooden stake hammered through the body pinning it in place. There were no clergy or mourners, and no prayers were offered.

But punishment did not end with death. The deceased's family were stripped of their belongings and they were handed to the Crown. "The suicide of an adult male could reduce his survivors to pauperism," Michael MacDonald and Terence Murphy wrote in Sleepless souls: Suicide in early modern England.

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RE: Suicide - 5/12/2017 12:18:16 PM

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I'm talking about people that aren't terminally ill that simply are done with life. People that are tired of struggling with finances, mental health issues and people that ridicule them for (wanting attention, You people on here know who you are). People afraid of worrying about how they'll survive when no family or former friends will have anything to do with them. Living on low income, disability due to anxiety and depression because of these issues. Tax payers are getting tired of supporting these people, like me, because they can't work due to stress and anxiety of being around other people.

You do realize that writing this is exactly the sort of attention seeking stuff that those people talk about though don't you? You see here's the thing; you, and you alone are responsible for your life, and no-one else. No-one else is responsible for how you feel, for your body, your money, your choices ... your anything, only you. Those that are serious about suicide do one of three things; keep it to themselves, seek help, or kill themselves.

What they don't do is write about it all over the internet, they don't try guilt tripping people, and they don't do passive aggressive stuff like this. Suicide is far too serious to be demeaned by such nonsense.

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RE: Suicide - 5/12/2017 12:55:16 PM

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Well, since I live in the middle of nowhere and father-in-law will be gone for a week, there's nobody to stop me and, when I stop typing here, then everyone will know I was successful. I'm so far out in the boonies, even if somehow someone did call 911 on my behalf, I'll be long dead before the ambulance can even get to me, if they can even find the place

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