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InfoMan -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 3:37:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

really? they knew that? had a blood test did they? then why didnt they know he didnt have a gun?

Shoot the cops, that shot, problem solved. Carry guns and shoot cops, they are looking to kill you. Either from stupidity or pantshitting, either way you are dead, shoot them first.


You can be trained to recognize the symptoms of PCP Intoxication.

Officers are usually given the fundamentals of a large variety of drugs and compounds in order to recognize them in order to perform field sobriety tests. And as a further note - Betty Shelby was cross-trained as an EMS and thus had further training on recognizing potential PCP Intoxication for treatment purposes.

Regardless of your training - you cannot see through clothing nor through the closed door of a vehicle.





BamaD -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 3:37:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

really? they knew that? had a blood test did they? then why didnt they know he didnt have a gun?

Shoot the cops, that shot, problem solved. Carry guns and shoot cops, they are looking to kill you. Either from stupidity or pantshitting, either way you are dead, shoot them first.


Well phrased, Ron. [:)]

You can't be agreing with the otter that gunning down cops is a good thing.

Of course not. I may be a radical but I am not an anarchist.

That is why I gave you a chance to clearify.




BamaD -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 3:39:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

really? they knew that? had a blood test did they? then why didnt they know he didnt have a gun?

Shoot the cops, that shot, problem solved. Carry guns and shoot cops, they are looking to kill you. Either from stupidity or pantshitting, either way you are dead, shoot them first.

g point.
Well phrased, Ron. [:)]

You can't be agreing with the otter that gunning down cops is a good thing.

I think it is far more valid than to say gunning down the citizenry is a good thing like you do welfare patient. They are making war on us.

Hmmm. . . interesting position.

Since I don't and they aren't this is just one more example of his insanity.




mnottertail -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 3:41:57 PM)

Since you do and you are a fucking retard go back to licking your toilets and wiggling your dick at the pizza boy from your porch, welfare patient.




tamaka -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 3:45:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Since you do and you are a fucking retard go back to licking your toilets and wiggling your dick at the pizza boy from your porch, welfare patient.



Projecting again?




BamaD -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 3:45:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: InfoMan


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

really? they knew that? had a blood test did they? then why didnt they know he didnt have a gun?

Shoot the cops, that shot, problem solved. Carry guns and shoot cops, they are looking to kill you. Either from stupidity or pantshitting, either way you are dead, shoot them first.


You can be trained to recognize the symptoms of PCP Intoxication.

Officers are usually given the fundamentals of a large variety of drugs and compounds in order to recognize them in order to perform field sobriety tests. And as a further note - Betty Shelby was cross-trained as an EMS and thus had further training on recognizing potential PCP Intoxication for treatment purposes.

Regardless of your training - you cannot see through clothing nor through the closed door of a vehicle.



Please forgive me but is an EMS the same as an EMT?




mnottertail -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 3:49:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Since you do and you are a fucking retard go back to licking your toilets and wiggling your dick at the pizza boy from your porch, welfare patient.



Projecting again?

Nope, your batmans cape sized pissflaps blowing in the wind again? Or is Artless posting on your account to make you look like a stupider leprous whore than you are?




mnottertail -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 3:55:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: InfoMan


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

really? they knew that? had a blood test did they? then why didnt they know he didnt have a gun?

Shoot the cops, that shot, problem solved. Carry guns and shoot cops, they are looking to kill you. Either from stupidity or pantshitting, either way you are dead, shoot them first.


You can be trained to recognize the symptoms of PCP Intoxication.

Officers are usually given the fundamentals of a large variety of drugs and compounds in order to recognize them in order to perform field sobriety tests. And as a further note - Betty Shelby was cross-trained as an EMS and thus had further training on recognizing potential PCP Intoxication for treatment purposes.

Regardless of your training - you cannot see through clothing nor through the closed door of a vehicle.



Please forgive me but is an EMS the same as an EMT?

Ems (services)

And no infoman they are not. They get a class. pupils, slurred speech, stupid shit.

http://www.narconon.org/drug-abuse/pcp-signs-symptoms.html

Regardless of your training you cannot tell visually that it is PCP.

Dont play at anything requiring knowledge disinformation man. You are to untutored.

Shoot the cops, she was on PCP her reaction time was slowed and disoriented such that she shot him instead of using a tazer, and thought that only she out of the 4 cops could handle him.

Shoot cops, save lives.




Edwird -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 3:55:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: InfoMan
You can be trained to recognize the symptoms of PCP Intoxication.

Officers are usually given the fundamentals of a large variety of drugs and compounds in order to recognize them in order to perform field sobriety tests. And as a further note - Betty Shelby was cross-trained as an EMS and thus had further training on recognizing potential PCP Intoxication for treatment purposes.


So if she's such an expert on PCP intoxication and considered him to be in such condition, why did she keep on pushing him? How could she have ever realistically expected someone in that condition to obey her exceedingly unrealistic and aggressively antagonistic 'police orders'?

However much an 'expert' she might have been in recognizing the condition, she was a completely clueless jack ass as how to respond to it.








Nnanji -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 4:04:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: igor2003


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ORIGINAL: InfoMan


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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If he was high on pcp the tazer would.t affect him.
For someone who pretends to know so much about these things I am amazed you didn't know that.
Don't forget the coroner said he was high on PCP and you have already (in the op) said he was high.

No, she said through her lawyer that Crutcher was high on PCP. That was her judgment. He showed no weapon. The window to his car was closed. Shelby panicked and took away the life of a man who was no threat to anyone. That is simply not justifiable. It took the jury nine hours to convince themselves otherwise with a tape of the event at their disposal.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TthfvZzN40U
Man high on PCP is continually tasered and still manages to beat a female officer half to death.
While being Tazered.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2015/09/08/shock-video-man-high-on-pcp-tasered-twice-hit-with-a-baton-and-pepper-sprayed-and-police-say-it-had-no-effect/
A man high on PCP who continues to act belligerently and cohesively despite being Tasered and Pepper Sprayed multiple times.

PCP is a powerful drug.
Simply suspecting it in an individual is technically acceptable grounds for an escalation of the use of force, as it is medically proven that those on PCP are unpredictable, very powerful, highly violent, and capable of resisting traditional non-lethal devices - making them a viable threat to those around them. Yeah he may of not had a weapon... but if you locked yourself in a room with an unrestrained person high on PCP... see how long he remains as 'no threat'.


Sometimes, a person on PCP may not be effectively stopped with a taser. Can you show that this is ALWAYS the case?

Here are the numbers as I see it (so yes, it just makes it my opinion). There were four cops lined up against one "bad dude". If one of those four cops had deployed a taser, and it didn't work, then there would have still been three cops with standard firearms as backup. I know this thread is about one cop in particular. But if the group had used different tactics, maybe she would not have panicked, and the "bad dude' would still be alive.

Good chair warming Monday morning play calling.




BamaD -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 4:37:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: igor2003


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ORIGINAL: InfoMan


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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If he was high on pcp the tazer would.t affect him.
For someone who pretends to know so much about these things I am amazed you didn't know that.
Don't forget the coroner said he was high on PCP and you have already (in the op) said he was high.

No, she said through her lawyer that Crutcher was high on PCP. That was her judgment. He showed no weapon. The window to his car was closed. Shelby panicked and took away the life of a man who was no threat to anyone. That is simply not justifiable. It took the jury nine hours to convince themselves otherwise with a tape of the event at their disposal.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TthfvZzN40U
Man high on PCP is continually tasered and still manages to beat a female officer half to death.
While being Tazered.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2015/09/08/shock-video-man-high-on-pcp-tasered-twice-hit-with-a-baton-and-pepper-sprayed-and-police-say-it-had-no-effect/
A man high on PCP who continues to act belligerently and cohesively despite being Tasered and Pepper Sprayed multiple times.

PCP is a powerful drug.
Simply suspecting it in an individual is technically acceptable grounds for an escalation of the use of force, as it is medically proven that those on PCP are unpredictable, very powerful, highly violent, and capable of resisting traditional non-lethal devices - making them a viable threat to those around them. Yeah he may of not had a weapon... but if you locked yourself in a room with an unrestrained person high on PCP... see how long he remains as 'no threat'.


Sometimes, a person on PCP may not be effectively stopped with a taser. Can you show that this is ALWAYS the case?

Here are the numbers as I see it (so yes, it just makes it my opinion). There were four cops lined up against one "bad dude". If one of those four cops had deployed a taser, and it didn't work, then there would have still been three cops with standard firearms as backup. I know this thread is about one cop in particular. But if the group had used different tactics, maybe she would not have panicked, and the "bad dude' would still be alive.

As you have been told before while tazers sometimes work agaist people on PC it isnt the way to bet. Most of the time you just make him mad.
I have never said their tactics were perfect. Monday morning quarterbacking is just great. You don't have to prove you are right and if you aren't there is no cost.




igor2003 -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 4:47:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: igor2003


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ORIGINAL: InfoMan


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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If he was high on pcp the tazer would.t affect him.
For someone who pretends to know so much about these things I am amazed you didn't know that.
Don't forget the coroner said he was high on PCP and you have already (in the op) said he was high.

No, she said through her lawyer that Crutcher was high on PCP. That was her judgment. He showed no weapon. The window to his car was closed. Shelby panicked and took away the life of a man who was no threat to anyone. That is simply not justifiable. It took the jury nine hours to convince themselves otherwise with a tape of the event at their disposal.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TthfvZzN40U
Man high on PCP is continually tasered and still manages to beat a female officer half to death.
While being Tazered.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2015/09/08/shock-video-man-high-on-pcp-tasered-twice-hit-with-a-baton-and-pepper-sprayed-and-police-say-it-had-no-effect/
A man high on PCP who continues to act belligerently and cohesively despite being Tasered and Pepper Sprayed multiple times.

PCP is a powerful drug.
Simply suspecting it in an individual is technically acceptable grounds for an escalation of the use of force, as it is medically proven that those on PCP are unpredictable, very powerful, highly violent, and capable of resisting traditional non-lethal devices - making them a viable threat to those around them. Yeah he may of not had a weapon... but if you locked yourself in a room with an unrestrained person high on PCP... see how long he remains as 'no threat'.


Sometimes, a person on PCP may not be effectively stopped with a taser. Can you show that this is ALWAYS the case?

Here are the numbers as I see it (so yes, it just makes it my opinion). There were four cops lined up against one "bad dude". If one of those four cops had deployed a taser, and it didn't work, then there would have still been three cops with standard firearms as backup. I know this thread is about one cop in particular. But if the group had used different tactics, maybe she would not have panicked, and the "bad dude' would still be alive.

As you have been told before while tazers sometimes work agaist people on PC it isnt the way to bet. Most of the time you just make him mad.
I have never said their tactics were perfect. Monday morning quarterbacking is just great. You don't have to prove you are right and if you aren't there is no cost.

Right. MAYBE it won't work, so let's just kill the SOB instead. It works often enough so that when you are backed up by 3 (THREE) people with firearms at almost point blank range, IT'S WORTH THE FUCKING RISK instead of just automatically taking the person's life. Are you really so thick you can't see that?




InfoMan -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 5:01:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: InfoMan


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

really? they knew that? had a blood test did they? then why didnt they know he didnt have a gun?

Shoot the cops, that shot, problem solved. Carry guns and shoot cops, they are looking to kill you. Either from stupidity or pantshitting, either way you are dead, shoot them first.


You can be trained to recognize the symptoms of PCP Intoxication.

Officers are usually given the fundamentals of a large variety of drugs and compounds in order to recognize them in order to perform field sobriety tests. And as a further note - Betty Shelby was cross-trained as an EMS and thus had further training on recognizing potential PCP Intoxication for treatment purposes.

Regardless of your training - you cannot see through clothing nor through the closed door of a vehicle.



Please forgive me but is an EMS the same as an EMT?

Ems (services)

And no infoman they are not. They get a class. pupils, slurred speech, stupid shit.

http://www.narconon.org/drug-abuse/pcp-signs-symptoms.html

Regardless of your training you cannot tell visually that it is PCP.

Dont play at anything requiring knowledge disinformation man. You are to untutored.

Shoot the cops, she was on PCP her reaction time was slowed and disoriented such that she shot him instead of using a tazer, and thought that only she out of the 4 cops could handle him.

Shoot cops, save lives.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9323532

Phencyclidine blood concentrations in DRE cases.
approximately
8% of PCP-positive suspects were missed by the DRE, and
approximately 3% of the suspects identified as having used PCP
were not corroborated by toxicology findings. The efficiency of
the DRE evaluation to detect PCP use was 95%


DRE stands for Drug Recognition Expert (which Officer Shelby was certified under as part of her EMS training)

So would you look at that - a Peer Reviewed scientific Study of a Drug Recognition Experts correctly visually identifying the presence of PCP 95% of the time?

... where is your peer reviewed scientific study which says that it is impossible to visually identify PCP now?




InfoMan -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 5:03:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


Please forgive me but is an EMS the same as an EMT?


EMS is a broad term to denote any non-hospital emergency medical service.

EMT is a tech specifically trained in first aid and life support for ambulances and first responders.




BamaD -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 5:33:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: igor2003


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: igor2003


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ORIGINAL: InfoMan


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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If he was high on pcp the tazer would.t affect him.
For someone who pretends to know so much about these things I am amazed you didn't know that.
Don't forget the coroner said he was high on PCP and you have already (in the op) said he was high.

No, she said through her lawyer that Crutcher was high on PCP. That was her judgment. He showed no weapon. The window to his car was closed. Shelby panicked and took away the life of a man who was no threat to anyone. That is simply not justifiable. It took the jury nine hours to convince themselves otherwise with a tape of the event at their disposal.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TthfvZzN40U
Man high on PCP is continually tasered and still manages to beat a female officer half to death.
While being Tazered.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2015/09/08/shock-video-man-high-on-pcp-tasered-twice-hit-with-a-baton-and-pepper-sprayed-and-police-say-it-had-no-effect/
A man high on PCP who continues to act belligerently and cohesively despite being Tasered and Pepper Sprayed multiple times.

PCP is a powerful drug.
Simply suspecting it in an individual is technically acceptable grounds for an escalation of the use of force, as it is medically proven that those on PCP are unpredictable, very powerful, highly violent, and capable of resisting traditional non-lethal devices - making them a viable threat to those around them. Yeah he may of not had a weapon... but if you locked yourself in a room with an unrestrained person high on PCP... see how long he remains as 'no threat'.


Sometimes, a person on PCP may not be effectively stopped with a taser. Can you show that this is ALWAYS the case?

Here are the numbers as I see it (so yes, it just makes it my opinion). There were four cops lined up against one "bad dude". If one of those four cops had deployed a taser, and it didn't work, then there would have still been three cops with standard firearms as backup. I know this thread is about one cop in particular. But if the group had used different tactics, maybe she would not have panicked, and the "bad dude' would still be alive.

As you have been told before while tazers sometimes work agaist people on PC it isnt the way to bet. Most of the time you just make him mad.
I have never said their tactics were perfect. Monday morning quarterbacking is just great. You don't have to prove you are right and if you aren't there is no cost.

Right. MAYBE it won't work, so let's just kill the SOB instead. It works often enough so that when you are backed up by 3 (THREE) people with firearms at almost point blank range, IT'S WORTH THE FUCKING RISK instead of just automatically taking the person's life. Are you really so thick you can't see that?

Right no risk is too great to ask of a cop.




mnottertail -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 5:41:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: InfoMan


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: InfoMan


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

really? they knew that? had a blood test did they? then why didnt they know he didnt have a gun?

Shoot the cops, that shot, problem solved. Carry guns and shoot cops, they are looking to kill you. Either from stupidity or pantshitting, either way you are dead, shoot them first.


You can be trained to recognize the symptoms of PCP Intoxication.

Officers are usually given the fundamentals of a large variety of drugs and compounds in order to recognize them in order to perform field sobriety tests. And as a further note - Betty Shelby was cross-trained as an EMS and thus had further training on recognizing potential PCP Intoxication for treatment purposes.

Regardless of your training - you cannot see through clothing nor through the closed door of a vehicle.



Please forgive me but is an EMS the same as an EMT?

Ems (services)

And no infoman they are not. They get a class. pupils, slurred speech, stupid shit.

http://www.narconon.org/drug-abuse/pcp-signs-symptoms.html

Regardless of your training you cannot tell visually that it is PCP.

Dont play at anything requiring knowledge disinformation man. You are to untutored.

Shoot the cops, she was on PCP her reaction time was slowed and disoriented such that she shot him instead of using a tazer, and thought that only she out of the 4 cops could handle him.

Shoot cops, save lives.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9323532

Phencyclidine blood concentrations in DRE cases.
approximately
8% of PCP-positive suspects were missed by the DRE, and
approximately 3% of the suspects identified as having used PCP
were not corroborated by toxicology findings. The efficiency of
the DRE evaluation to detect PCP use was 95%


DRE stands for Drug Recognition Expert (which Officer Shelby was certified under as part of her EMS training)

So would you look at that - a Peer Reviewed scientific Study of a Drug Recognition Experts correctly visually identifying the presence of PCP 95% of the time?

... where is your peer reviewed scientific study which says that it is impossible to visually identify PCP now?

Too bad she didnt take fucking gun training, you know, what they look like, what they do, how they work, how you point them, threaten people with them, how they kill, how to recognize them, you know?

http://www.decp.org/training/

the test with Maryland state police 259 people over 2 years:

Of the 259 cases evaluated, 124 were identified as positive for PCP based on DRE evaluation, 130 were positive for PCP based on toxicological analysis, and 56 of the 124 were identified as positive for PCP only by DRE and subsequently confirmed to contain only PCP. The mean PCP concentration for those cases in which only PCP was identified by both DRE and toxicology was 51 ng/ml (standard deviation, 26 ng/mL) with a range of values of 12-118 ng/mL. Although no correlation was determined between PCP concentration and behavior, it is clear that, even at concentrations as low as 12 ng/mL, PCP-induced behavioral effects are measurable by DRE evaluation.

So, in the peer reviewed study, how long did she participate in the Maryland test, that is which score was hers over the almost non existand data? What was her score compared to the average? Oh, she wasnt there? How many cased has she successfully identified, given her 2 and some change weeks of fucking intense training? LOL. Yet she had time to evaluate the symptoms, pull a gun and shoot him over what amount of time? Shoot the rancid bitch, she is a danger to society, too fucking stupid to live?

I spent 2 weeks at the NCO Academy at Bad Toelz and another 2 weeks at the war college. I am an expert in all military affairs, why I can tell the difference in a squid and a suck, just by their uniforms.

Dont be precociously retarded.




BamaD -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 5:41:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: igor2003


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: igor2003


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ORIGINAL: InfoMan


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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If he was high on pcp the tazer would.t affect him.
For someone who pretends to know so much about these things I am amazed you didn't know that.
Don't forget the coroner said he was high on PCP and you have already (in the op) said he was high.

No, she said through her lawyer that Crutcher was high on PCP. That was her judgment. He showed no weapon. The window to his car was closed. Shelby panicked and took away the life of a man who was no threat to anyone. That is simply not justifiable. It took the jury nine hours to convince themselves otherwise with a tape of the event at their disposal.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TthfvZzN40U
Man high on PCP is continually tasered and still manages to beat a female officer half to death.
While being Tazered.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2015/09/08/shock-video-man-high-on-pcp-tasered-twice-hit-with-a-baton-and-pepper-sprayed-and-police-say-it-had-no-effect/
A man high on PCP who continues to act belligerently and cohesively despite being Tasered and Pepper Sprayed multiple times.

PCP is a powerful drug.
Simply suspecting it in an individual is technically acceptable grounds for an escalation of the use of force, as it is medically proven that those on PCP are unpredictable, very powerful, highly violent, and capable of resisting traditional non-lethal devices - making them a viable threat to those around them. Yeah he may of not had a weapon... but if you locked yourself in a room with an unrestrained person high on PCP... see how long he remains as 'no threat'.


Sometimes, a person on PCP may not be effectively stopped with a taser. Can you show that this is ALWAYS the case?

Here are the numbers as I see it (so yes, it just makes it my opinion). There were four cops lined up against one "bad dude". If one of those four cops had deployed a taser, and it didn't work, then there would have still been three cops with standard firearms as backup. I know this thread is about one cop in particular. But if the group had used different tactics, maybe she would not have panicked, and the "bad dude' would still be alive.

As you have been told before while tazers sometimes work agaist people on PC it isnt the way to bet. Most of the time you just make him mad.
I have never said their tactics were perfect. Monday morning quarterbacking is just great. You don't have to prove you are right and if you aren't there is no cost.

Right. MAYBE it won't work, so let's just kill the SOB instead. It works often enough so that when you are backed up by 3 (THREE) people with firearms at almost point blank range, IT'S WORTH THE FUCKING RISK instead of just automatically taking the person's life. Are you really so thick you can't see that?


''i have seen utubes of people shot repeatedly with firearms (not just tazers) before being stopped. But it only a cop at risk, not like they are really human, everyone knows that being a cop dehuminizes you.




mnottertail -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 5:43:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: igor2003


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: igor2003


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ORIGINAL: InfoMan


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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If he was high on pcp the tazer would.t affect him.
For someone who pretends to know so much about these things I am amazed you didn't know that.
Don't forget the coroner said he was high on PCP and you have already (in the op) said he was high.

No, she said through her lawyer that Crutcher was high on PCP. That was her judgment. He showed no weapon. The window to his car was closed. Shelby panicked and took away the life of a man who was no threat to anyone. That is simply not justifiable. It took the jury nine hours to convince themselves otherwise with a tape of the event at their disposal.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TthfvZzN40U
Man high on PCP is continually tasered and still manages to beat a female officer half to death.
While being Tazered.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2015/09/08/shock-video-man-high-on-pcp-tasered-twice-hit-with-a-baton-and-pepper-sprayed-and-police-say-it-had-no-effect/
A man high on PCP who continues to act belligerently and cohesively despite being Tasered and Pepper Sprayed multiple times.

PCP is a powerful drug.
Simply suspecting it in an individual is technically acceptable grounds for an escalation of the use of force, as it is medically proven that those on PCP are unpredictable, very powerful, highly violent, and capable of resisting traditional non-lethal devices - making them a viable threat to those around them. Yeah he may of not had a weapon... but if you locked yourself in a room with an unrestrained person high on PCP... see how long he remains as 'no threat'.


Sometimes, a person on PCP may not be effectively stopped with a taser. Can you show that this is ALWAYS the case?

Here are the numbers as I see it (so yes, it just makes it my opinion). There were four cops lined up against one "bad dude". If one of those four cops had deployed a taser, and it didn't work, then there would have still been three cops with standard firearms as backup. I know this thread is about one cop in particular. But if the group had used different tactics, maybe she would not have panicked, and the "bad dude' would still be alive.

As you have been told before while tazers sometimes work agaist people on PC it isnt the way to bet. Most of the time you just make him mad.
I have never said their tactics were perfect. Monday morning quarterbacking is just great. You don't have to prove you are right and if you aren't there is no cost.

Right. MAYBE it won't work, so let's just kill the SOB instead. It works often enough so that when you are backed up by 3 (THREE) people with firearms at almost point blank range, IT'S WORTH THE FUCKING RISK instead of just automatically taking the person's life. Are you really so thick you can't see that?

Right no risk is too great to ask of a cop.

And at the slightest bit of pantshitting they kill. The way to avoid the risk is to kill the cop.




tamaka -> RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH (5/23/2017 5:46:31 PM)


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If he was high on pcp the tazer would.t affect him.
For someone who pretends to know so much about these things I am amazed you didn't know that.
Don't forget the coroner said he was high on PCP and you have already (in the op) said he was high.

No, she said through her lawyer that Crutcher was high on PCP. That was her judgment. He showed no weapon. The window to his car was closed. Shelby panicked and took away the life of a man who was no threat to anyone. That is simply not justifiable. It took the jury nine hours to convince themselves otherwise with a tape of the event at their disposal.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TthfvZzN40U
Man high on PCP is continually tasered and still manages to beat a female officer half to death.
While being Tazered.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2015/09/08/shock-video-man-high-on-pcp-tasered-twice-hit-with-a-baton-and-pepper-sprayed-and-police-say-it-had-no-effect/
A man high on PCP who continues to act belligerently and cohesively despite being Tasered and Pepper Sprayed multiple times.

PCP is a powerful drug.
Simply suspecting it in an individual is technically acceptable grounds for an escalation of the use of force, as it is medically proven that those on PCP are unpredictable, very powerful, highly violent, and capable of resisting traditional non-lethal devices - making them a viable threat to those around them. Yeah he may of not had a weapon... but if you locked yourself in a room with an unrestrained person high on PCP... see how long he remains as 'no threat'.


Sometimes, a person on PCP may not be effectively stopped with a taser. Can you show that this is ALWAYS the case?

Here are the numbers as I see it (so yes, it just makes it my opinion). There were four cops lined up against one "bad dude". If one of those four cops had deployed a taser, and it didn't work, then there would have still been three cops with standard firearms as backup. I know this thread is about one cop in particular. But if the group had used different tactics, maybe she would not have panicked, and the "bad dude' would still be alive.

As you have been told before while tazers sometimes work agaist people on PC it isnt the way to bet. Most of the time you just make him mad.
I have never said their tactics were perfect. Monday morning quarterbacking is just great. You don't have to prove you are right and if you aren't there is no cost.

Right. MAYBE it won't work, so let's just kill the SOB instead. It works often enough so that when you are backed up by 3 (THREE) people with firearms at almost point blank range, IT'S WORTH THE FUCKING RISK instead of just automatically taking the person's life. Are you really so thick you can't see that?

Right no risk is too great to ask of a cop.

And at the slightest bit of pantshitting they kill. The way to avoid the risk is to kill the cop.


Why don't you go down to your local police station and tell them that Ron. I'm quite sure they know who you are already.




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Please forgive me but is an EMS the same as an EMT?


EMS is a broad term to denote any non-hospital emergency medical service.

EMT is a tech specifically trained in first aid and life support for ambulances and first responders.

Thank you.




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