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WickedsDesire -> Trump's $4.1tr budget takes hatchet to safety net (5/24/2017 3:41:36 AM)
Comrade Trump's $4.1tr budget takes hatchet to safety net http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40015958 The ~~White~~ Nut House has unveiled a $4.1tr (£3.1tr) budget that would take the axe to the social safety net for the poor. The plan would sharply slash food stamps, healthcare for low-income patients and disability benefits, and eliminate student loan subsidies. The budget also features an Ivanka Trump plan for paid parental leave. The US military would receive a 10% boost while $1.6bn would be allocated for a wall on the border with Mexico. President ~~Trump~~Lying fuk, who is travelling overseas, missed the unveiling of his first full budget, titled ~~A New Foundation for American Greatness~~. A Piece of horrific shite Mick Mulvaney, the White House budget director, told reporters on Tuesday the proposal is "simply the president's priorities put on paper". Is the president's budget law? No. A US president's annual budget is a policy wish list that stands little chance of being enacted. The Senate and House of Representatives will pass their own versions, which will then go to congressional committees before the final spending plan is cemented. The Trump budget might have expected a sympathetic reading in the Republican-controlled Congress. But even fiscally hawkish conservatives are ~~baulking~~ shitting themselves at some of the $3.6tr in cuts. What about these cuts? Critics say the plan would hurt some of Mr Trump's ~~supporters~~ moronic monkey folk who voted for the orange lie hardest. Its proposed $190bn reduction in food stamps surpasses previous cuts put forward by Republicans to a programme that serves about 42 million people Representatives from agricultural states are objecting to a plan to limit farm subsidies ~~Mr Trump~~ The complete lying fuk promised on the campaign trail not to cut Medicaid, the healthcare programme for the poor, but his budget would cut the scheme by $800bn Republicans are also squeamish about proposed cuts to Meals on Wheels, which provides food to the homebound elderly, disabled and veterans But the funding cut to family-planning groups that offer abortions, such as Planned Parenthood, is likely to be welcomed by conservatives The White House budget director said: "Yes, you have to have compassion for folks who are receiving federal funds, but you also have to have compassion for the folks who are paying it."

Greta75 -> RE: Trump's $4.1tr budget takes hatchet to safety net (5/24/2017 5:00:20 AM)
His goal is to lower US debt. So that means less social safety net usually. As social safety nets cost alot of money. I don't know, in my country, that's normal and our government does that all the time. But countries too used to welfare will probably cry. And the result of that is, people will stop relying on the government to help them, and will start being very innovative on helping themselves. They will start thinking and using their own brains to fix their own situation. On top of that, you'd see more private charity organizations popping up. People taking actions into their own hands to raise money and help people, the ones who really give a real shit, and actually take actions into their own hands to help. Rather than relying on the government to take care of that.

WhoreMods -> RE: Trump's $4.1tr budget takes hatchet to safety net (5/24/2017 5:05:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 His goal is to lower US debt. So that means less social safety net usually. As social safety nets cost alot of money. So does military spending and building a wall along a border: el presidente isn't willing to economise on either of those. So does tax evasion. Any idea how the money wasted on welfare spending compares to the money that the IRS should be receiving, but isn't, from the wealth creators? (As for people innovating to help themselves rather than depending on government handouts, I thought the republicans were supposed to be touch on crime...)

Lucylastic -> RE: Trump's $4.1tr budget takes hatchet to safety net (5/24/2017 5:50:57 AM)
quote: His goal is to lower US debt. So that means less social safety net usually. As social safety nets cost alot of money. So removing the 800 billion from medicare and giving it to the rich in tax cuts is how he is going to reduce the debt? SNAP and CHIP is being cut by billions 3.6 Trillion over 10 years HHS by 14 billion Cuts to the CDC Cuts funding for clean air and water Medicaid and disability payments will be devastated, 11 billion in education cuts, is reducing the debt.., and leaving kids without school programs, cuts 4 billion from pell grants and student debt, lunch programs, making loans more expensive. National cancer institute loses 19 % of its budget that you condone american people starving, jobless, homeless, and sick ......his own voters....yes, I knew you would attempt to make it ok, heres another quick rundown of other cuts $627 billion cut to Medicaid* $194 billion cut to food stamps $87 billion cut to National Institutes of Health $45 billion cut to State Department operations $28 billion cut to refugee programs $18 billion cut to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention $2 billion cut to food safety and inspection thats from NYTimes This isnt helping the american people, like he promised healthcare for all, it was all bullshit. PS Charities cannot handle the weight of numbers, thats why social safety net was invented.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Trump's $4.1tr budget takes hatchet to safety net (5/24/2017 6:08:50 AM)
In this part of the country, Mr. Trump's base is typically white and below the national average in both education and income. A disproportionate number of these people receive assistance from the government. I wonder what is going to happen when they realize that their savior has fucked them.

Greta75 -> RE: Trump's $4.1tr budget takes hatchet to safety net (5/24/2017 6:50:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods So does military spending and building a wall along a border: el presidente isn't willing to economise on either of those. So does tax evasion. Any idea how the money wasted on welfare spending compares to the money that the IRS should be receiving, but isn't, from the wealth creators? (As for people innovating to help themselves rather than depending on government handouts, I thought the republicans were supposed to be touch on crime...) The fact that there are ways for richer people to pay less taxes, EVEN during Obama reign, tells me, this problem isn't started by Trump. But on the other hand. Military spending cannot be helped, since US does need to maintain the status of one of the strongest military of the world to remain as a world influencer. Him involving Saudi to be more involved in fixing the terrorism problem is a good start to US spending less of their own resources. As for the Wall. I think Border security is a one time necessary spending. Welfare is endless spending. To me, good results is only if stats show that with time, less and less people rely on welfare. But I think the opposite is happening. So to me, it has not worked in helping people out of their poverty cycle. It's just giving them a temporary clutch. When this welfare disappears, they are in trouble again. So if the outcome is to help people be able to be independent and be on their own feet. Not sure if current welfare program is the best way to ensure this. A border wall and high military spending equals a safer and more stable country. Means a stable and safe environment is an attraction for companies to build base. Lowering corporate taxes will make US more competitive with other countries who have lower taxes too. To encouraging American companies to come back.

WickedsDesire -> RE: Trump's $4.1tr budget takes hatchet to safety net (5/24/2017 6:53:06 AM)
Yes. Odd that he wants to blatantly shit on his polarised demographics Him back tracking on everything he promised can surely come as no real surprise to anyone anymore. Not that it matters he will be impeached, or impeached and flayed for sure come 2018.

Greta75 -> RE: Trump's $4.1tr budget takes hatchet to safety net (5/24/2017 6:54:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam In this part of the country, Mr. Trump's base is typically white and below the national average in both education and income. A disproportionate number of these people receive assistance from the government. I wonder what is going to happen when they realize that their savior has fucked them. I think that just speaks volumes that those people in welfare are more interested in being useful and hoping for a President who can create more jobs for them. That they are willing to vote for someone who will take away their welfare in return for building a country where job availability can increase, so they can be independent and take care of themselves.

Lucylastic -> RE: Trump's $4.1tr budget takes hatchet to safety net (5/24/2017 7:14:43 AM)
blind leading the blind

WhoreMods -> RE: Trump's $4.1tr budget takes hatchet to safety net (5/24/2017 7:18:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods So does military spending and building a wall along a border: el presidente isn't willing to economise on either of those. So does tax evasion. Any idea how the money wasted on welfare spending compares to the money that the IRS should be receiving, but isn't, from the wealth creators? (As for people innovating to help themselves rather than depending on government handouts, I thought the republicans were supposed to be touch on crime...) The fact that there are ways for richer people to pay less taxes, EVEN during Obama reign, tells me, this problem isn't started by Trump. No, but he is the only president to date who was bragging about how he was smart enough to avoid paying any tax while he was campaigning.

WickedsDesire -> RE: Trump's $4.1tr budget takes hatchet to safety net (5/24/2017 7:41:00 AM)
The tax evasion and avoidance is a big thing in the UK and USA. if these people paid their fair share the world would be a far better place. But as whoremods said hes long on the record as crowing away paying no taxes makes me smart - no it doesn't it makes you an orange crook. Then he went onto blame mexico China EU poor Canadian lumber and cows and immigrants - which mirrors what we do here - well they actually usually say the paupers are scroungers and the ill and immigrants are taking all your money. Are they fuk Savage cuts to foundational core polices - do not work, never have and never will. Only the greedy and self entitled and tax dodgers believe it to be so Tory scum party - will effectively enacted 13 years (they will probably get in again till 2023) of brutal savage barbaric cuts to the poor, vulnerable, working class, and to an extent the middle class. Everything is falling to shit. Share holders want their dividends - but when their investment goes tits up they shirk they are mwaaaah my money...mwaah the gravy train....mwaah the business were corrupt and rotten to the core, and the financial institutions I go down to the bookies and bet £1 on Scotland humping Englandshire 10-0 ( and probably lose) I am not getting my money back

Hillwilliam -> RE: Trump's $4.1tr budget takes hatchet to safety net (5/24/2017 8:17:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam In this part of the country, Mr. Trump's base is typically white and below the national average in both education and income. A disproportionate number of these people receive assistance from the government. I wonder what is going to happen when they realize that their savior has fucked them. I think that just speaks volumes that those people in welfare are more interested in being useful and hoping for a President who can create more jobs for them. That they are willing to vote for someone who will take away their welfare in return for building a country where job availability can increase, so they can be independent and take care of themselves. Unfortunately, you can create jobs all day long and, if people are a bunch of uneducated dopeheads, they won't get those jobs. I see these people every day. I even fired a couple for either being lazy, not bothering to show up, failing drug tests, etc, etc. They would rather sit around and whine and collect a monthly check than work.

BoscoX -> RE: Trump's $4.1tr budget takes hatchet to safety net (5/24/2017 8:27:05 AM)
Good Taxes were never meant to provide the lazy with free everything. Essentials for the truly needy - fine and well, something I fully support But our welfare programs have become vote buying programs for communist agitators Who are determined to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs

mnottertail -> RE: Trump's $4.1tr budget takes hatchet to safety net (5/24/2017 8:30:54 AM)
You could get rid of a lot of waste by forcing the corporations to pay a living minimum wage. They are the engine of our current welfare system. Its part of the commie nutsuckers executing the largest transfer of wealth ever seen.

Lucylastic -> RE: Trump's $4.1tr budget takes hatchet to safety net (5/24/2017 8:45:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Good Taxes were never meant to provide the lazy with free everything. Essentials for the truly needy - fine and well, something I fully support But our welfare programs have become vote buying programs for communist agitators Who are determined to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs what are essentials?

WickedsDesire -> RE: Trump's $4.1tr budget takes hatchet to safety net (5/24/2017 8:50:28 AM)
What is good my hysterical daft petal? I thought your communist elite simply liked taking everyone's money and boasting how little taxes they paid? Lets take someone like TRex Tillerson In 2012, Tillerson's compensation package was $40.5 million.[37] It was $28.1 million in 2013, $33.1 million in 2014, and $27.2 million in 2015.[38] In late 2016, Tillerson held $54 million of Exxon stock, and had a right to deferred stock worth approximately $180 million over the next 10 years.[39] On January 3, 2017, ExxonMobil announced they had reached an agreement with Tillerson "to sever all ties with the company to comply with conflict-of-interest requirements associated with his nomination as secretary of state."[40] Who do you think he represents? Order of Friendship (Russia) previously been the director of the joint US-Russian oil company Exxon Neftegas net worth 2016 $240 million

Hillwilliam -> RE: Trump's $4.1tr budget takes hatchet to safety net (5/24/2017 9:45:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Good Taxes were never meant to provide the lazy with free everything. Essentials for the truly needy - fine and well, something I fully support But our welfare programs have become vote buying programs for communist agitators Who are determined to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs The ones I'm talking about all have "Hillary for Prison" and "Make America Great Again" bumper stickers.

WickedsDesire -> RE: Trump's $4.1tr budget takes hatchet to safety net (5/24/2017 9:59:56 AM)
wrecking America great America is about as Great as Britain is these days

WhoreMods -> RE: Trump's $4.1tr budget takes hatchet to safety net (5/24/2017 10:10:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Good Taxes were never meant to provide the lazy with free everything. Essentials for the truly needy - fine and well, something I fully support But our welfare programs have become vote buying programs for communist agitators Who are determined to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs The ones I'm talking about all have "Hillary for Prison" and "Make America Great Again" bumper stickers. Neither of which are manufactured domestically, creating employment for Americans, of course. Great, innit?

MrRodgers -> RE: Trump's $4.1tr budget takes hatchet to safety net (5/24/2017 11:06:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX Good Taxes were never meant to provide the lazy with free everything. Essentials for the truly needy - fine and well, something I fully support But our welfare programs have become vote buying programs for communist agitators Who are determined to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs The ones I'm talking about all have "Hillary for Prison" and "Make America Great Again" bumper stickers. Neither of which are manufactured domestically, creating employment for Americans, of course. Great, innit? Well I haven't noticed any so-called golden eggs. The elite, the corporatists and industrialist, bankers, paper-traders are the biggest takers and freeloaders in society, making money by piggy backing on govt. research and oppressed labor. Add on to all of that...a large and immorally reduced tax rate. There are 22 entire industries (or more) now the basic technology of which, was first created by govt. The rich get richer by making money, (off of that) not...by earning it. The rich do not innovate and do not improve society's standard of living, they leach. Oh and this Trump budget is in fact nothing less than a republican establishment redo. And Trump was 'anti-establishment ?' Bullshit !!

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