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kyakitten -> Visible Changes to Sub's Body? (12/7/2004 10:37:34 PM)

Hi,

I was wondering if people who have been doing this a while could talk about lasting changes a girl sub can experience in her body from "routine" play...

For instance I read that her anus changes visibly after frequent anal sex - true? But that's it's not detrimental to - ummm - other functions over the long term?

And I read yesterday that breast whipping can cause tissue damage and lumps - which seems easy to believe if it were done badly - so I guess my question here is not whether it can but whether it usually does? And if so, would that extend to slapping too?



proudsub -> RE: Visible Changes to Sub's Body? (12/7/2004 11:09:19 PM)

Excellent question.

quote:

For instance I read that her anus changes visibly after frequent anal sex - true? But that's it's not detrimental to - ummm - other functions over the long term?


This is the only one i can respond to. I know with frequent butt plug use i have loosened up, or stretched out, quit a bit so i am seldom constipated, there is less straining than before i started using a plug. Keep in mind i am 58 so not as elastic as younger folks.[:D]

The other thing i might mention is my nips have become much more sensitive 24/7 than before i started nip pain. For example i love the feeling of them rubbing on a sweatshirt.[;)] Hope that helps some.



Lordandmaster -> RE: Visible Changes to Sub's Body? (12/7/2004 11:27:22 PM)

Definitely avoid whip strokes to the kidneys. They fucking hurt.



BeachMystress -> RE: Visible Changes to Sub's Body? (12/8/2004 2:33:50 AM)


From what I'd always understood, blows to the breast can cause tumors and fibroid. Your question made me google it.. http://www.qldcancer.com.au/Cancer_Info_and_Services/PED/WhatisBreastCancer.html says differently. They call it a myth or unfounded belief. So I looked further. http://www.breasthealth.com.au/whatisbreastcancer/misconceptions.html also says it is not a truism that blows cause lumps. What they supposedly do is draw attention to an existing problem.



pandoravampire -> RE: Visible Changes to Sub's Body? (12/8/2004 7:44:11 AM)

I have found changes to my anus after anal are yes, things are not tight as usual, this can cause me problems as i am never constipated and suffer with IBS, so i never allow his cum to sit inside the rectum and medicate if i need to control symptoms, as for a few hours post play, im too loose for confidence.

My muscles! Jesus they ache at times during play, and right now, ive got aches in muscles i didnt even know i had. Also muscle development. My back now has a two identical lines either side of the spine that is pure muscle from the damn positions i have to get in lol.

The beginners face lift, ha ha ha, yes i recognise that in myself too.

And im now constantly horny. The more i get, the more i desire for more. My libido for my Sir is through the roof!

These are the changes im noting so far. Bruising and 'marks' are just the jewels of rememberance to me, not body changes, that ive taken to be something else.



alwayzron -> RE: Visible Changes to Sub's Body? (12/8/2004 4:13:45 PM)

Kya ....

THese are great questions and I'm glad you're thinking about these. Most subs (male especially) have a lot of hesitancy to stop a scene when things aren't right because "subs don't disobey".

But to better answer your question, you should find a "kink friendly" doctor in the Vermont area. I've found the best resource for this is to contact a GLBT support group in your area and ask for physicians they would recommend. Happy playing ... stay safe ...



DomPhotographer -> RE: Visible Changes to Sub's Body? (12/8/2004 6:50:55 PM)



quote:

ORIGINAL: kyakitten

Hi,

I was shyly wondering if people who have been doing this a while could talk about lasting changes a girl sub can experience in her body from "routine" play...

For instance I read that her anus changes visibly after frequent anal sex - true? But that's it's not detrimental to - ummm - other functions over the long term?

And I read yesterday that breast whipping can cause tissue damage and lumps - which seems easy to believe if it were done badly - so I guess my question here is not whether it can but whether it usually does? And if so, would that extend to slapping too?

I hope I'm not naively spreading rumors. There are undeniably good changes too, I can personally attest that beginner's bliss erases facial wrinkles beautifully!

It's just that as I journey further I'd like to know what other physical surprises, good and bad, may be in store, as well as what to steer clear of, if anyone would be kind enough to share their own observations or experiences?

Thank you all,
Kkit

First off anything that can cause bruising tearing can over time done on a regular basis to the same area location on the body can cause permenent damage or even positive change.
On Anal sex or vaginal sex repeated use will cause loosening of those areas thats common sense but also certain excercises can also minimize those effects.

Also repeated use abuse with toys clamps to penis nipples and clits can cause them to enlarge on semi permenent basis. In some cases permenently.
If a female /ts/shemale has breast implants it is recommended not to inlfict heavy blows with canes ,riding crops, fists or large heavy objects this might cause breast implant rupturing altough slapping and nipple clamps a little biting are no problem.

Burning, branding, piercings ,can and do cause permenent damage one time noly or repeatedly.

To the best of my expereince especially when I managed a
S&M BDSM Club for around 8 years in Portland Oregon before relocating to NE WA State
I never saw any breast lumps in any female or shemale or male under hormonal
therphy occur in any way from tit beatings whippings excetra and I saw hundreds of said occurances at the club.

As to anal sex it can be dangerous if the object inserted is to large and the person is anally a virgin and not stretched enough,.
Also to avoid anal sex messes lubricants cut down on the mess and so does doing a enema first.
I personally prefer giving and enema before anal sex also recommend it afterwords for freshly deflowered anuses and ot make it sometimes easier sue some drinking alcohol in the enema let get a buzz it makes it easier for anal virgins.

Pain inflicted in any way can cause damage if excessive just remember that.


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kyakitten -> RE: Visible Changes to Sub's Body? (12/8/2004 6:57:10 PM)

Thank you all for the thoughtful responses! I am new to collarme and so wondrously overwhelmed by the down-to-earth community on these boards and the wealth of knowledge here...

Proudsub and Ron, thank you for your supportive words regarding on my post. Pandora - it is so fun to hear from you.

LordandMaster, Beach Mystress, if you please: As subs don't always find themselves in a position to avoid nasty kidney blows or other ill-advised practices, this girl would appreciate any wisdom you could share on how a sub might ascertain a potential Dom's knowledge about safety without coming across as challenging the Dom's authority?



alwayzron -> RE: Visible Changes to Sub's Body? (12/8/2004 8:19:36 PM)

Kya,

Ultimately, you live with the effects of your play. Not the Dom/Domme. There is nothing that states you must subject yourself to lifelong injuries just to please a Dominant. With that in mind ....

"... subs don't always find themselves in a position to avoid nasty kidney blows or other ill-advised practices" .... they do if limits are established and respected !!!

ascertain a potential Dom's .. without .. challenging the Dom's authority ... Simple 1) You ask questions until you're satisfied that he/she knows their collectives *sses from a hole in the ground. 2) If they're offended that you're wanting to ensure your safety, then tell them good bye !!! 3) The Dom/Domme has no authority until you give it to them. Give it away wisely.

alwayz, ron



Lordandmaster -> RE: Visible Changes to Sub's Body? (12/8/2004 8:26:03 PM)

It's a good question, and it's hard. I consider myself "experienced" and I've had a stray shot to the kidney happen here and there too. I suppose you could obliquely ask "What would you do if..." questions before you get involved with someone, but that kind of interrogation doesn't always reveal everything you need to know. Still, a dom shouldn't get TOO irritable about this. They're legitimate questions.

Another thing: BDSM is obviously dangerous on a physical level, but the real disaster cases I know of aren't physical: they're emotional and psychological. That's the kind of damage you really have to watch out for.

Lam

quote:

ORIGINAL: kyakitten

LordandMaster, Beach Mystress, if you please: As subs don't always find themselves in a position to avoid nasty kidney blows or other ill-advised practices, this girl would appreciate any wisdom you could share on how a sub might ascertain a potential Dom's knowledge about safety without coming across as challenging the Dom's authorit. So many writers state that they are "experienced Doms" but may not have external evidence to back that up, and as a private person I can respect that possibility ....however my first Master and I were learning together and so it was easy to share safety information. Now I dread being in a position where I'm "testing" a potential Master on whether his knowledge matches up to what I've read and studied - even if subtly done, it seems so disrespectful. Any suggestions you might offer would be so welcomed...




alwayzron -> RE: Visible Changes to Sub's Body? (12/8/2004 8:36:47 PM)

L&M,

I have to disagree with you on couple of points ....

The (healthy) body is inherently self-healing and able to withstand a great deal. So done correctly .... BDSM should not be physically dangerous, although there are some quite risky behaviors at times.

The emotional and psychological dangers you speak of are present only when trust, honesty and knowledge are not.

In reply to the original post .... the sphincter is a muscle ... just like any other muscle in your body. It can be strengthened, made more flexible, or allowed to atrophy from lack of use. The biggest danger lies in tearing the muscle ....



proudsub -> RE: Visible Changes to Sub's Body? (12/8/2004 9:00:02 PM)

quote:

Any suggestions you might offer would be so welcomed...


If you always play with a safeword and be sure it is respected, then you can stop the scene whenever you feel endangered.



stef -> RE: Visible Changes to Sub's Body? (12/8/2004 9:10:26 PM)

Having a safeword is no guarantee that the other person will stop when you use it.

~stef



alwayzron -> RE: Visible Changes to Sub's Body? (12/8/2004 9:59:36 PM)

Stef and PS .... good points. I prefer to use a Red, Yellow and Green system. Green means whip me harder. Yellow means I'm approaching the end of my endurance, limit, etc. Red ... or course ... means stop. This is by far better than a safe word, because once you've gotten to the point where you need the safeword, the damage is done. Just my opinion.



stef -> RE: Visible Changes to Sub's Body? (12/8/2004 11:09:40 PM)

"Green" does not mean "whip me harder", it means "I'm happy with how things are currently going." It's not a request to increase intensity.

~stef



BeachMystress -> RE: Visible Changes to Sub's Body? (12/9/2004 1:34:52 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kyakitten


LordandMaster, Beach Mystress, if you please: As subs don't always find themselves in a position to avoid nasty kidney blows or other ill-advised practices, this girl would appreciate any wisdom you could share on how a sub might ascertain a potential Dom's knowledge about safety without coming across as challenging the Dom's authorit. So many writers state that they are "experienced Doms" but may not have external evidence to back that up, and as a private person I can respect that possibility ....however my first Master and I were learning together and so it was easy to share safety information. Now I dread being in a position where I'm "testing" a potential Master on whether his knowledge matches up to what I've read and studied - even if subtly done, it seems so disrespectful. Any suggestions you might offer would be so welcomed...





alwaysron is right. Any Dominant who is upset by being asked questions about their qualifications is one with whom you shouldn't play. You have the right to quiz the Dom/me. Just as they are interviewing you, you are interviewing them. Being submissive doesn't mean being a doormat. YOU have rights. Challenge any potential Dom/me's authority all you want. Until you accept each other, you owe them nothing in the way of submission. As long as you are polite about asking, there is nothing disrespectful. It lets the Dominant know you value yourself and are serious about your submission, since you took the time to learn. I've been given the total third degree by new subs upon meeting. It has never offended me and never will. One way of extracting the information you need to make your decision is asking open ended questions.. How do you feel about... What is your view on... When did you first become interested in doing X. .. Also ask more pointed questions. If a Dominant claims to have a special skill, find out how they learned it. Ask how many subs they have had. Why are those subs no longer with them. Can you talk to any of their former subs? Ask what first aid training they have, if any, and how recent it was. Ask what they'd do in an emergency situation. Ask any question that comes to mind. A good thing to do is make up questions first and have a brief outline. This is your body you're going to entrust to this person. Make sure you're satisfied that you trust them. Also, never let someone pressure you into making a commitment. If you meet someone and before you part ways that first meeting they are insisting that you make a decision about being "theirs," you are best to pass. Take a good 24 to 48 hours thinking before you decide upon further contact. If they aren't willing to allow you that time to think.. pass. You're making a huge decision.



Lordandmaster -> RE: Visible Changes to Sub's Body? (12/9/2004 11:42:16 PM)

I totally disagree with this. I've seen it happen, been there, seen it again, and been there again (yes, as the inflictor). Nothing wrong with trust, honesty, and knowledge, but don't pretend that they're going to shield you from severe emotional pain. In fact, sometimes severe emotional pain can be good.

Lam

quote:

ORIGINAL: alwayzron

The emotional and psychological dangers you speak of are present only when trust, honesty and knowledge are not.



srahfox -> RE: Visible Changes to Sub's Body? (12/11/2004 10:59:34 AM)

I trust my Master with my life. There is no one in this world whom I trust more. However we both know there are potential emotional and psychological dangers in all we do. I was molsested by my father. While this is something that is in my past and I have delt with, it still happened. There are things I know I don't remember. It's doubly tricky because I do love and trust him. I loved and trusted my dad. We are both aware that as unlikely as it is, I could have a flash back. It had happened before we got into BDSM, and sense being molested as a child was a force and control thing, and what My Master and I do is as well, it could happen again. So you really can't honestly say that there is no danger if you Trust and are honest with each other. Again I love, trust, and was open with him about everything that happened, but that didn't stop me from panicing the first time he held my head down when I was giving him a blow job.



angel14 -> RE: Visible Changes to Sub's Body? (12/11/2004 8:00:36 PM)

quote:

Having a safeword is no guarantee that the other person will stop when you use it


This is my first post because...i've learned so much by just reading and searching my questions. But this response is bothering me. Is this really true? That even with a "safeword", it can be ignored? How does a sub get into a position where....thinking she/he knows and trusts someone...a safeword will be ignored?

angel



stef -> RE: Visible Changes to Sub's Body? (12/11/2004 8:26:33 PM)

There are unscrupulous people in this subculture, just as there are in every other segment of the population.

Can it happen? Certainly.
Does it happen often? Not in my experience.

It's just something to consider.

~stef



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