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Can you spell? - 5/31/2017 8:32:02 PM

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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what-are-most-misspelled-words-every-state-n766361
Things that struck me
1. There are way more people interested in spelling supercalifragi..... than I ever thought there would be.
2. For once, I am not entirely shamed of Alabama when it comes to academics. Pneumonia is nothing to be ashamed of.
3. GA should have their rebel card pulled for misspelling gray.
4. WTF WIsconsin??????????????

RE: Can you spell? - 5/31/2017 11:51:32 PM

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Grey is the British spelling, gray is the American spelling.

Don't give the Georgia kids a hard time for having come across British literature too early in life and getting confuzzled.

Especially if they read the book A Picture of Dorian Gray and see the colour grey alluded to in the book.

I don't understand British spelling to begin with.

Every time I see their spelling of 'sceptic' rather than 'skeptic,' I think of that underground tank admitting toilet disposal in a far corner of the back yard.

Because every other occurrence of an 'i' or an 'e' in either version of English, including (but not excluded to) the Oxford Dictionary following a 'c' has the c pronounced as an 's'.

But for that one word. For the British, and no one else.

This is, of course, why the Brits are smarter, because they can figure out why this is, and we can't. Their ability to explain or logically justify it is another matter.

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RE: Can you spell? - 5/31/2017 11:55:49 PM

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Grey is the British spelling, gray is the American spelling.

Don't give the Georgia kids a hard time for having come across British literature too early in life and getting confuzzled.

Ok, granted. Now can we talk about Hawaii?

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RE: Can you spell? - 6/1/2017 12:28:14 AM

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I'm just giving you a hard time, you know it, you asked for it.

So, speaking of Hawai'i, how many Americans can spell the words to any in this wonderful series of songs from our 50th state?

Hawaii Music Traditional

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RE: Can you spell? - 6/1/2017 12:36:15 AM

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Grey is the British spelling, gray is the American spelling.

Wow! I never even knew this. I have always thought Grey is spelt Grey. Never saw it as "Gray" ever. So in our schools, any form of American spelling is not accepted as a correct answer at all. Would definitely be losing loads of marks for that.

Like try writing "color" instead of "colour", or "center" instead of "centre". You're gonna get penalised.

It took only much later with the existence of internet to make me realise that, a whole other country spells it as "color".

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RE: Can you spell? - 6/1/2017 12:38:02 AM

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What possible wrong spelling is there for Nanny? That's like an impossible word to spell wrong!

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RE: Can you spell? - 6/1/2017 12:43:49 AM

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English is dressed differently when spoken or spelled in Britain or America, and we have great fun each telling the other how stupid the other is for doing it 'wrong,' especially them.

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RE: Can you spell? - 6/1/2017 12:49:49 AM

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nanny also equals nannie in some parts

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RE: Can you spell? - 6/1/2017 12:57:08 AM

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English is dressed differently when spoken or spelled in Britain or America, and we have great fun each telling the other how stupid the other is for doing it 'wrong,' especially them.

Well technically, I think the Americans just decided, like for example, why does "colour" need a "u" in it at all. Why write an extra unnecessary letter when "color" still will get you the same pronunciation. And things like "centre", it is pronounced as "center", so American English I feel just follows the pronunciation of the word. American English is simplified English.

Some of the British spelling doesn't make sense. Like I remembered we always had to just memorise the spelling.

I wonder if Americans spell "Quay" differently?

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RE: Can you spell? - 6/1/2017 1:08:42 AM

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That one's the same.

Most of the words are spelled the same, the 'colour/color or 'flavour/flavor being among the few differences.

I still can never understand that spelling of 'sceptic' for skeptic, though. That is so un-Latin, un-French, un-Spanish, un-German, and so un-everything-else-in-the-Western-world our language came from.

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RE: Can you spell? - 6/1/2017 3:04:22 AM

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I don't understand British spelling to begin with.

I wouldn't think most Brits could, either. I certainly can't - nor could be bothered to. You just read a lot, remember the shapes of words, and write them accordingly.

I had a GF once who was a teacher of English as a foreign language. She told me that English was relatively easy to learn up to a basic level (because the grammar's pretty straightforward, amongst other things) but hard thereafter exactly because the vocabulary is so vast and the only way to learn it - including spelling it - is to memorise tons of words.

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RE: Can you spell? - 6/1/2017 10:07:46 AM

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I'm just giving you a hard time, you know it, you asked for it.

That was a hard time? Pssh.

Considering I was deep into a bottle of wine when I posted this, I am impressed that I didn't give you a lot of material to give me a hard time about.

Still....WTF Wisconsin.

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RE: Can you spell? - 6/1/2017 11:28:57 AM

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I think kids should be taught two foreign languages and how to play at least two musical instruments at an early age, for sake of brain development alone.

Who cares if they grow up to be Yo-Yo Ma or not? Learning the C clef as written for cello or viola inherently gets them into the treble clef and the bass clef, which makes piano and most other instruments easier to read for. Attaching action to sensible result is what youngest kids are most adapted to at that stage, and something like the abstract inherent musical sense attained in the process helps later on when getting to the nitty-gritty of the finer points in the written and spoken native language.

The young brain has to work and make new neural connections.

As you point out, we don't learn our own language directly from logical concepts and rules we're not yet aware of at that age, but by pattern recognition, that being in the way of inflection and voicing and pronunciation even before we get to particular definition. Mimic first, understand later.

I didn't know there were all these rules and reasons for everything, I just mimicked my parents and got the drift of what was being said as time went on. When I got to the 8th grade and came upon more serious study of grammar (we already knew about verbs vs. nouns, etc.), I was mildly taken aback. "What's all this? You just say it the right way, and whatever." Unfortunately, I had a bit too much of that "Yeah, whatever" attitude from 6th grade onwards.

But learning just one other language at the right time let's you know early on that there are reasons behind all this, because every language has its particular rules and reasons.

Again, the young brain has to work and make new neural connections.

"Professional educators," some of them, are so stupid as to think everything adults are doing at their job is something we should force-feed kids at the earliest stage: learning how to work a tablet; this idiotic notion of "critical thinking skills" foisted upon the earliest math tests, etc., from uni English post-docs who are clueless about even the simplest math and incapable of presenting the question in any logically coherent manner.

Inadvertent logical obfuscation is not the best thing presented to kids to give them a good start.

I guarantee you, the 4-8 yr. old kid learning two musical instruments and sight-reading the sheet for them (performing however badly) and learning two other languages (speaking however badly, but I doubt it), and not being introduced to the tablet or computer until age 8-10, vs kids forced to the computer at age 4-5 to the exclusion of the other, will score better on an entrance exam for the uni in any subject, algebra and English and critical thinking skills included. And perform better when they get there, or even if they go another route.

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RE: Can you spell? - 6/1/2017 11:43:39 AM

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I think kids should be taught two foreign languages and how to play at least two musical instruments at an early age, for sake of brain development alone.

Well, we Asians believe that the younger they are, the easier for them to learn anything, their brain is like a sponge so you pile them up with alot of extra curricular activities while they are young. So definitely, agree with more languages and music. On top of other stuffs. I had a typical Asian kid upbringing as in, from 5 to 12 yr old, I had ballet, tap dancing, piano, guitar classes and well, the language is just, solely because both my parents speak two different mother tongue and neither speak Mandarin, so Mandarin was my "foreign" language. But I kinda wish I was taught Malay. My grandpa could speak like maybe 7 to 8 languages, he could speak fluently all the languages and dialects of the major ethnic groups in my country, and my mom knew maybe 5 to 6 too, this granddad is obviously her dad. I'd have like to learn how to speak Malay back then. it would be useful for our location. On top of that, I play alot of different sports, at that age, badminton, table tennis, volleyball and soccer. But another thing I felt they should have sign me up for as a kid is gymnastic! I feel like every kid should know gymnastic as it is just gonna train your flexibility and so much core strength. And martial arts, it's just self-defense ya know, every kid should be educated on learning how to defend themselves, but I signed myself up for martial arts in my teenage years. And essential life skills.

I love the new trend of starting babies swimming. It's perfect. Over here, some parents believed that if they threw their baby into the sea, and let them kinda nearly drown a little bit, they become really good swimmers later in life. Seems to be true. At least my girlfriends who were good swimmers, their moms have done that to them. My mom didn't do that to me and I am a terrible swimmer. Despite proper swimming lessons for 5 years. It's just whenever I read stories about toddlers drowning in a pond or whatever, could be a pond at their homes, so unnecessary. All babies should be taught to swim so they can't drown incase they do fall into water for some freak reason, could save their own life.

But in today's context, every kid should learn to code from as young as possible, and encouraged to build their own app if possible or come up with an online platform to sell something, anything. In the old days, maybe some just sell lemonade infront of their homes or something, but today, e-commerce for kids all the way!

And I just find that as a kid, everything was easy to learn, and you learn so fast and pick up everything like magic. Everything was just much easier as a kid! If I had to do all that as a teenage years or as an adult now, I'd die!

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RE: Can you spell? - 6/1/2017 11:54:40 AM

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I'm just giving you a hard time, you know it, you asked for it.

That was a hard time? Pssh.

Considering I was deep into a bottle of wine when I posted this, I am impressed that I didn't give you a lot of material to give me a hard time about.

Still....WTF Wisconsin.

Aw now, Wisconsin is so butifaeul, don't give them such a hard time about misspelling their own description of the state.

I thought I was giving you a hard time? I guess I actually wasn't.

But what's this?

Everything is Beautiful- Ray Stevens.

You are Beautiful, I am Beautiful (somebody hand me a hankie here, one of you kids, please).

My mean and ornery nature goes only so far, though.

So I'll leave it with this, for you and the Wisconsinians both:

You Are So Beautiful- Joe Cocker

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RE: Can you spell? - 6/1/2017 12:26:57 PM

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RE: Can you spell? - 6/1/2017 1:41:20 PM

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I'm just giving you a hard time, you know it, you asked for it.

That was a hard time? Pssh.

Considering I was deep into a bottle of wine when I posted this, I am impressed that I didn't give you a lot of material to give me a hard time about.

Still....WTF Wisconsin.

Aw now, Wisconsin is so butifaeul, don't give them such a hard time about misspelling their own description of the state.

But they didn't misspell the description of their state...they misspelled the name of their state.

"Wisconsin" is the most googled word to spell, in Wisconsin.

That doesn't sound any less fucked up when I'm sober.

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RE: Can you spell? - 6/1/2017 2:38:16 PM

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I think kids should be taught two foreign languages and how to play at least two musical instruments at an early age, for sake of brain development alone.
. . . On top of that, I play alot of different sports, at that age, badminton, table tennis, volleyball and soccer.

The only reason I didn't mention sports, though I think that's good for kids interested in it, is because in the US sports are the very last thing to get eliminated from school funding cuts, when we deregulate banking and the economy goes to crap and anything state or locally funded goes to crap thereby, like schools. Competitive sports come first and go last, in the US. So it's not like there were funding cuts for 90% of the elementary/primary schools who don't give a shit about anything but computers or competitive sports or imposition of very badly implemented 'critical thinking skills' for 4-8 yr. olds to begin with.

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But another thing I felt they should have sign me up for as a kid is gymnastic! I feel like every kid should know gymnastic as it is just gonna train your flexibility and so much core strength. And martial arts, it's just self-defense ya know, every kid should be educated on learning how to defend themselves, but I signed myself up for martial arts in my teenage years. And essential life skills.

I hear you, but, next thing we know we are saying "my child needs to learn 8 different positions in the orchestra and speak and write five different languages fluently and be on five different sports teams and learn individual gymnastics and ice skating."

Not gonna happen. Nor should it, unless she is a complete freak.

"And martial arts, it's just self-defense ya know, every kid should be educated on learning how to defend themselves, but I signed myself up for martial arts in my teenage years. And essential life skills."

I agree with most of that, especially the self defense part because bullying is out of control in so many schools, and the teachers and administration have obviously lost control in many US schools. On the one hand, they call police to arrest a 6 yr. old and have her taken away in cuffs because she was ornery (but never actually violent) to a teacher and to the office personnel; on the other hand they allow kids to get beaten half (or sometimes completely) to death and seemingly can't stop it.

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But in today's context, every kid should learn to code from as young as possible,

You've missed the point completely, here.

My middle nephew didn't get to the computer until 12 yrs. old, and he could take it completely apart and put it back together five different ways two years later. He is now hired as a hacking defender for some company. You can't do that if you don't know coding. I learned five different computer languages in my teens and 20s (bored me almost literally to death), and if anything the wall is shorter for any 20 yr. old learning it today.

Kids need to learn how to put various abstract concepts together before the English and especially the computer idiots get to them first, if there is to be any hope for human evolution.

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RE: Can you spell? - 6/1/2017 6:28:34 PM

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"My middle nephew didn't get to the computer until 12 yrs. old,"

But his mother read to him most nights, his daddy took him out to the woods and I did the same when I visited. I sang to him when he was an infant (when my sister lived with me at the time. The original father took off, the step dad came soon after.)

He enjoyed a lot of different experiences before he ever knew what a computer was, but he makes a good living off of computers now, and his employers value his expertise.

The whole point is that focusing more on brain development of the child in early days is what best enables them to learn English or computers or algebra or critical thinking skills when at a later time they are more suited and well disposed to learning that.

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RE: Can you spell? - 6/1/2017 7:00:05 PM

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Trying to teach app coding to five yr. olds will be the downfall of this episode of human evolution.

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