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RE: What makes a terrorist? - 6/21/2017 6:58:05 AM   
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Reading comprehension is not his thing.

What a hard life these people must have waking up with all their fears and manias. One or two are trembling in fear of "Muslim hoards" and one or two are enraged at Feminist broads. Zounds! What angst.


Vincent, it is not fear and mania that causes one to be at least somewhat concerned over Islam. It is an ability to view Islam in light of its history and its teachings accompanied with some amount of sense of self preservation for future generations. It is just as unreasonable to say 'there is absolutely no threat' as it is to say 'they are an absolute threat.'


Tamaka, almost all of the Islamic expansion occurred before the 11th Century.
It is ridiculous for Islamist propagandists to use that ancient history as a basis for instilling fear today. If you wish to view Islam in the light of its history as you say look at that history: Imperial Islam has been in disarray this past one thousand years. And look at more recent history: after WW2 the world entered a period of decolonization, 36 new nations were formed in Asia and Africa between 1945 and 1960. The unraveling of Empires that was begun reluctantly in 1919 became a reality after 1945. The historical trend has been the dismantling of empires. Notions of Islamic Imperialism are swimming against the tide of history. Furthermore, Islamic aspirations of empire would be confronted by unrelenting Western technology and fire power. It is unreasonable to be frightened by such a remote possibility. I mean really, it is a joke.


I see what you're saying but do you really think that ideologies which rule the people's beliefs need empires? I think it is more vice-versa. Empires need ideologies but ideologies do not need empires.


That is an interesting comment, Tamaka, seriously. Can you give some examples or elaborate on what you mean?

Something that has gone overlooked in all the raving about the blood thirsty Islamists is that when Islam was in power in Spain, Baghdad, and Constantinople, Christians and Jews were not forced to convert their religion. The Arabs (Moors) established major centers of trade, culture, science, and art in their conquered lands. Furthermore, after the Christian reconquest of Spain, the Jews were forced to convert or flee. Those who fled were welcomed and thrived financially in Arab Constantinople for centuries (15th Century) So, all this shit about Islamic jihadists who will enforce their religion upon others is contradicted by their own history of conquest, unlike the history of the Christian conquests in South America for example. It is unconscionable and ignorant of Islamist alarmists to spread their lying propaganda on this Forum and elsewhere. It is all lies.

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RE: What makes a terrorist? - 6/21/2017 8:07:12 AM   
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You had best ask the various arms of the US Government because they train and fund terrorists and then arrange false flag attacks upon other nations citizens.

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RE: What makes a terrorist? - 6/21/2017 8:12:26 AM   
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Muslims are stopped from their continued mass slaughter on all fronts only by superior force

Doesn't speak very well of your armed forces then, does it? When Belgium is doing a better job of controlling terrorist insurgency than you can manage, it doesn't look good...

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RE: What makes a terrorist? - 6/21/2017 9:05:44 AM   
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Muslims are stopped from their continued mass slaughter on all fronts only by superior force

Doesn't speak very well of your armed forces then, does it? When Belgium is doing a better job of controlling terrorist insurgency than you can manage, it doesn't look good...


Enough Muslims, and most any countries' ability to stop their atrocities is going to be compromised

Unless you go full Orwellian police state / surveillance state Gestapo on the people, particularly on the Muslim population

Recent events in Europe and elsewhere fully prove that

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RE: What makes a terrorist? - 6/21/2017 10:00:19 AM   
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Reading comprehension is not his thing.

What a hard life these people must have waking up with all their fears and manias. One or two are trembling in fear of "Muslim hoards" and one or two are enraged at Feminist broads. Zounds! What angst.


Vincent, it is not fear and mania that causes one to be at least somewhat concerned over Islam. It is an ability to view Islam in light of its history and its teachings accompanied with some amount of sense of self preservation for future generations. It is just as unreasonable to say 'there is absolutely no threat' as it is to say 'they are an absolute threat.'


Tamaka, almost all of the Islamic expansion occurred before the 11th Century.
It is ridiculous for Islamist propagandists to use that ancient history as a basis for instilling fear today. If you wish to view Islam in the light of its history as you say look at that history: Imperial Islam has been in disarray this past one thousand years. And look at more recent history: after WW2 the world entered a period of decolonization, 36 new nations were formed in Asia and Africa between 1945 and 1960. The unraveling of Empires that was begun reluctantly in 1919 became a reality after 1945. The historical trend has been the dismantling of empires. Notions of Islamic Imperialism are swimming against the tide of history. Furthermore, Islamic aspirations of empire would be confronted by unrelenting Western technology and fire power. It is unreasonable to be frightened by such a remote possibility. I mean really, it is a joke.


I see what you're saying but do you really think that ideologies which rule the people's beliefs need empires? I think it is more vice-versa. Empires need ideologies but ideologies do not need empires.


That is an interesting comment, Tamaka, seriously. Can you give some examples or elaborate on what you mean?

Something that has gone overlooked in all the raving about the blood thirsty Islamists is that when Islam was in power in Spain, Baghdad, and Constantinople, Christians and Jews were not forced to convert their religion. The Arabs (Moors) established major centers of trade, culture, science, and art in their conquered lands. Furthermore, after the Christian reconquest of Spain, the Jews were forced to convert or flee. Those who fled were welcomed and thrived financially in Arab Constantinople for centuries (15th Century) So, all this shit about Islamic jihadists who will enforce their religion upon others is contradicted by their own history of conquest, unlike the history of the Christian conquests in South America for example. It is unconscionable and ignorant of Islamist alarmists to spread their lying propaganda on this Forum and elsewhere. It is all lies.


My point was that people will seek out an ideology in which they place their faith in. Empires historically have chosen ideologies and forced them upon their people as a means of control. We really don't see that in modern day religions. There are some differences with Islam though, as i am sure you are aware. While Islam asserts that there is no compulsion in religion, they do charge a fee to those who are not Muslims to live in their society as a kind of 'protection fee'. They also do not allow their women to marry a non-muslim. These types of devices are not part of other religions, and they are the kinds of things that, over time, would cause more people to adopt islam rather than other religions.

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RE: What makes a terrorist? - 6/21/2017 10:13:53 AM   
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Muslims are stopped from their continued mass slaughter on all fronts only by superior force

Doesn't speak very well of your armed forces then, does it? When Belgium is doing a better job of controlling terrorist insurgency than you can manage, it doesn't look good...


Enough Muslims, and most any countries' ability to stop their atrocities is going to be compromised

Unless you go full Orwellian police state / surveillance state Gestapo on the people, particularly on the Muslim population

Recent events in Europe and elsewhere fully prove that

Really? There I was thinking that the miserable failure of the Patriot Act to prevent further incidents of jihadists causing trouble in your country proved that the orwellian approach didn't work.

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RE: What makes a terrorist? - 6/21/2017 10:31:22 AM   
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Really? There I was thinking that the miserable failure of the Patriot Act to prevent further incidents of jihadists causing trouble in your country proved that the orwellian approach didn't work.



You really believe that the patriot act, which Obama signed, took us full Orwellian police state...

And you are totally clueless about all of the attacks that have been stopped, too. Not just in the United States, either.

But since you are preaching your ignorance about the US alone:

List of unsuccessful terrorist plots in the United States post-9/11

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RE: What makes a terrorist? - 6/21/2017 10:41:12 AM   
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Really? There I was thinking that the miserable failure of the Patriot Act to prevent further incidents of jihadists causing trouble in your country proved that the orwellian approach didn't work.



You really believe that the patriot act, which Obama signed, took us full Orwellian police state...

And you are totally clueless about all of the attacks that have been stopped, too. Not just in the United States, either.

But since you are preaching your ignorance about the US alone:

List of unsuccessful terrorist plots in the United States post-9/11

So exactly what was listed there wouldn't have been prevented by the established federal police bodies and spooks had the patriot act not been put in place to remove people's civil liberties protect America?

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RE: What makes a terrorist? - 6/21/2017 10:43:45 AM   
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You mean the same patriot act that Obama signed, right

Who knows.

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RE: What makes a terrorist? - 6/21/2017 10:49:27 AM   
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You mean the same patriot act that Obama signed, right

Who knows.

Given about half of the list is "attempts" that failed hilariously (the shoebomber who was too stupid to use a lighter rather than matches and the man with the non-exploding underpants are both listed), I don't think it looks very impressive when compared to the list of post 11/9 terrorist atrocities in America. You lost 49 to Omar Mateen alone. He's probably on your little list, isn't he?

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RE: What makes a terrorist? - 6/21/2017 10:51:49 AM   
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You mean the same patriot act that Obama signed, right

Who knows.

Given about half of the list is "attempts" that failed hilariously (the shoebomber who was too stupid to use a lighter rather than matches and the man with the non-exploding underpants are both listed), I don't think it looks very impressive when compared to the list of post 11/9 terrorist atrocities in America. You lost 49 to Omar Mateen alone. He's probably on your little list, isn't he?


Your list

Leave me out of your cartoonish delusions

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RE: What makes a terrorist? - 6/21/2017 10:55:00 AM   
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You mean the same patriot act that Obama signed, right

Who knows.

Given about half of the list is "attempts" that failed hilariously (the shoebomber who was too stupid to use a lighter rather than matches and the man with the non-exploding underpants are both listed), I don't think it looks very impressive when compared to the list of post 11/9 terrorist atrocities in America. You lost 49 to Omar Mateen alone. He's probably on your little list, isn't he?


Your list

Leave me out of your delusions

You're the one who keeps posting these lists of moslem atrocities by the month. Are you telling me the frustrated closet casejihadist who shot up a gay club in Florida last year, didn't appear on the list for June 2016?

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RE: What makes a terrorist? - 6/21/2017 11:27:25 AM   
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You mean the same patriot act that Obama signed, right

Who knows.

oh the nsa bill that renewed the patriot act, that was a real nutsucker bill that was, and was at the origination.

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RE: What makes a terrorist? - 6/21/2017 4:42:50 PM   
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Muslims are stopped from their continued mass slaughter on all fronts only by superior force

Which, that's why soldiers are being stationed in European train stations and other high foot traffic areas. A soldier stopped a Muslim suicide bomber just today in Brussels Central Station

The only one who died, was the mad Muslim bomber


Grammar; "which is why........".

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RE: What makes a terrorist? - 6/21/2017 4:46:42 PM   
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Muslims are stopped from their continued mass slaughter on all fronts only by superior force

Doesn't speak very well of your armed forces then, does it? When Belgium is doing a better job of controlling terrorist insurgency than you can manage, it doesn't look good...


Enough Muslims, and most any countries' ability to stop their atrocities is going to be compromised

Unless you go full Orwellian police state / surveillance state Gestapo on the people, particularly on the Muslim population

Recent events in Europe and elsewhere fully prove that


(Wow...that actually should be BANNED grammar..."enough Muslims"....)

Enough Muslims.

Enough, Muslims!

ENOUGH!!! Muslims!!


(What exactly are you trying to say?).

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RE: What makes a terrorist? - 6/21/2017 4:48:22 PM   
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Really? There I was thinking that the miserable failure of the Patriot Act to prevent further incidents of jihadists causing trouble in your country proved that the orwellian approach didn't work.



You really believe that the patriot act, which Obama signed, took us full Orwellian police state...

And you are totally clueless about all of the attacks that have been stopped, too. Not just in the United States, either.

But since you are preaching your ignorance about the US alone:

List of unsuccessful terrorist plots in the United States post-9/11


(Patriot Act....both are capitalized....grammatically...that is).

(It's not a discussion point...it's an actual term).

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RE: What makes a terrorist? - 6/21/2017 5:15:47 PM   
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You mean the same patriot act that Obama signed, right

Who knows.

Given about half of the list is "attempts" that failed hilariously (the shoebomber who was too stupid to use a lighter rather than matches and the man with the non-exploding underpants are both listed), I don't think it looks very impressive when compared to the list of post 11/9 terrorist atrocities in America. You lost 49 to Omar Mateen alone. He's probably on your little list, isn't he?

He was found out in time to stop him but the authorities (as per Obama's directions) let him go because they didn't want to look Islamaphobic.

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RE: What makes a terrorist? - 6/21/2017 5:28:37 PM   
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He was found out in time to stop him but the authorities (as per Obama's directions) let him go because they didn't want to look Islamaphobic.


Can't look at known terrorists too hard, that isn't politically correct

Leftists have seriously lost their minds

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RE: What makes a terrorist? - 6/21/2017 7:26:09 PM   
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That damn Constitution. If we could just get rid of law, order, and principles, we could seriously fuck up shit in this country!

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RE: What makes a terrorist? - 6/21/2017 7:39:55 PM   
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That damn Constitution. If we could just get rid of law, order, and principles, we could seriously fuck up shit in this country!


The Constitution (which "liberals" normally use for toilet paper) was never meant to be a suicide pact. Foreigners have no rights under our constitution for good reason

Keep them out and there will be fewer problems

Poll: Americans more likely to avoid crowds due to terrorism fears than after 9/11

Europe is already fucked up shit

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