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[isnt working in britain, gun deaths and gun related crime is steadily on the rise, only law abiding citizens turn in their weapons.

Thats the way america was designed, the people have weapons because jolly old britain taught us what happens when the people do not have the power to defend themselves against daMOBcracy.

Waco is a perfect example, the davidians needed a tank to defend themselves.

Whats this crap about illegal weapons?

See what I mean, you can wipe your ass with the constitution, since it says arms, not guns, not weapons, and it is constitutionally legal to own arms which 'arms' like it or not include nukes. The idea behind arms was a balance in power between the people and damob .

Think about this.
You have a big group of people hole up in a house filled with heavy weapons.

Authorities come in with their heavy weapons to apprehend those people.

Even IF there were women and children inside. But all the weapons are inside with those women and children, WTF? They were just using the women and children as human shield. Damn stupid cult!

If they don't all come out and surrender without their weapons together with their women and children. Chances are, authorities are stomping full weapon swinging.

I remember an incident in Singapore where our airplane got hijacked by Islamic Terrorists but was on the ground in the airport filled with civilians. The survivals who lived to tell the tale said the commandos just stomped in and yell at everyone to duck and started shooting indiscriminately.

I am sure some civilians would have gotten hurt. They were like just gonna get those terrorist with weapons! By hook or crook!

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Thats one definition - but gun deaths to me are terrorism, well most of them - and the infamous collateral damage and so on...waco yep

Oh sorry Op

what makes a terrorist? hate bigotry fake news conditioning - usually.

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surrender over a falsified gun licensing requirement? koresh didnt require a license to what amounts to bump firng a semi auto.

You know this was over a 200 dollar license the feds falsely claimed koresh needed to have.

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surrender over a falsified gun licensing requirement? koresh didnt require a license to what amounts to bump firng a semi auto.

You know this was over a 200 dollar license the feds falsely claimed koresh needed to have.

The article you posted claims: Their objective was to serve a search warrant for illegal firearms and explosives, and arrest the cult’s leader, David Koresh, on weapons charges. Unfortunately, Koresh and his group had been tipped off and were waiting as authorities approached. Without warning, gunfire erupted and law enforcement officials found themselves facing cult members armed with explosive devices, military assault rifles, and other semi-automatic weapons.

That sounds pretty well-armed the civilians they are up against. Like a whole military on their own that cult! Nothing will go well in such a confrontation. There were deaths on both side, but probably less on law enforcers side because maybe they had bullet proof jackets.

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“The role of shame and failure is now being given far greater prominence in understanding men who commit harm. Terrorism specialists such as France's Olivier Roy believe that this sense of worthlessness, rather than any after-the-fact "radicalisation", is the driving factor for violent acts, and if we ignore this we will not solve the problem.”
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-role-of-male-shame-in-violent-incidents-like-the-lindt-cafe-siege-20170611-gwp0iy.html

More general causal factors must include the social, political, religious and liberty situations in a terrorist's background. All these factors undoubtedly play a part in creating terrorists. Individual terrorists are made not born. Biddulph concludes:
“If we do not acknowledge what male disintegration looks like and include this in a more accurate, albeit broader definition of mental illness and potential for violence, then we may see far more blood on our streets.
If we so easily lend the cachet of terrorism to what would otherwise be simply horrible acts by pathetic men, then that makes them much more likely to recur. These are the acts of damaged and heartless men, and they are entirely predictable and preventable once we know what we are looking for.”

Is this an area that we should be exploring to help us identify potential mass shooters and terrorists and hopefully to prevent them doing harm to others in the future? Is this an area that we need to devise strategies to prevent the radicalisation of at-risk males into terrorists? If violence by at risk individual's is "predictable and preventable" what should we be doing to intervene successfully?

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ARMS IN AMERICA ARE LEGAL, The arms the davidians has were LEGAL, and the civilians did not shoot first the feds did, so wth is your point?[/color]

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ARMS IN AMERICA ARE LEGAL, The arms the davidians has were LEGAL, and the civilians did not shoot first the feds did, so wth is your point?

You know what can make a fed shoot first right? Just an action of looking like a civilian is gonna shoot. That's how those black guys got shot by police. Gun country, this is gonna be the norm.

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If you wanted to be a right smart ass the biggest terrorist in the world is God - he wiped humanity, as they got a bit wicked, from the face of the planet save two, apparently. Ands thats before we get to the 8, or was it 10 plagues of Egypt. First born that one seems to have stuck in my mind.

I cant stand religion, I can tolerate it, or some, whatever that means.

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greta christianity is the new testament

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I cant stand religion, I can tolerate it, or some, whatever that means.

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So they are not born this way, they are "made".. so how are they any different from serial killers that kill several/dozens/hundreds of women (some also kill men, children)? they are "made" too, arent they? What about the millions of those that endured the same kind of events/things in their lives but are law abiding good people? so what does he say will prevent terrorist to become terrorists? lock little Johnny up? along with those millions that werent going to go down that path even under the same situation as Johnny?

The fact is that terrorists (& serial killers) are a very small percent of the population so you are very unlikely to run into one.. and most are very good at hiding their intentions and true nature...

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So they are not born this way, they are "made".. so how are they any different from serial killers that kill several/dozens/hundreds of women (some also kill men, children)? they are "made" too, arent they? What about the millions of those that endured the same kind of events/things in their lives but are law abiding good people? so what does he say will prevent terrorist to become terrorists? lock little Johnny up? along with those millions that werent going to go down that path even under the same situation as Johnny?

The fact is that terrorists (& serial killers) are a very small percent of the population so you are very unlikely to run into one.. and most are very good at hiding their intentions and true nature...

Serial killers aren't usually terrorists, normally they want their crimes to remain secret for one thing

That aside, what if there were a medieval cult that taught serial killers to be terroristic serial killers and demanded they practice the teachings

How would you feel about members of that cult

(Quran 8:12)

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So they are not born this way, they are "made".. so how are they any different from serial killers that kill several/dozens/hundreds of women (some also kill men, children)? they are "made" too, arent they?

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greta christianity is the new testament

Noah Ark story is still part of Christianity. And in Christianity, they recognise the old testament as valid and true.