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I really hate manufacturers that put shite on the market that hasnt been properly tested, letting their customers discover the possibly dangerous or deadly flaws etc on their own rather than the manufacturer doing it.. or who deliberately sell shite that they already know is dangerous cuz they will still make more money than they will have to pay out for injuries or deaths.. I fucking hate that..

eta- I wonder if that death trap cladding is sold here in the US & if so, what kind of buildings its on..

Apparently, the shit that was used for cladding costs a fiver a panel less than something similar but non-flammable: that's what human life is worth to the shitehawks who've been looking sad for the cameras while trying to evade responsibility for the fruits of their corner cutting and greed, a fiver. Five fucking pounds.
(The cladding, incidentally was the least of it in this case: no sprinklers, one staircase, all manner of stuff that shouldn't have got past whoever skimped on the renovation. And don't even get me started on how incompetent, fuckawful and generally half baked Chelsea and Kensington's borough council's attempt to accommodate and feed the survivors who've been left homeless has been thus far. That's the stuff that they're supposed to be there to deal with, instead of expecting charities to do their job for them.)

And yes, that crap is on buildings in the 'States as well as Australia and Dubai.

This sort of tragedy is one of the reasons many people hate greedy soulless corporate bastards/AND the government agencies that are "supposed" to regulate housing and safety codes, maintain standards and safety, INSPECT and PROTECT---but fall short.


BOTH the greedy soulless corporate bastards and the worthless government POS agencies, that are "supposed" to regulate buildings, enforce housing codes, and protect the public safety, are to blame.

Many people seem blind to how worthless and ineffective and inefficient many government agencies ARE.

Do you REALLY trust the government when it comes to building safety, safety and code regulations, adequate emergency evacuations, clean air, clean and safe water, and protecting our food supply?
REALLY?
One of the reasons I despise most of our current Democratic leaders is they are in bed with corporate America in the States.
Most Democratic leaders have sold their souls and are OWNED by soulless greedy corporate bastards.

Who the hell is protecting the citizens from soulless corporations?
In reality---usually---no one.

As a child born during the 60's. I grew up hearing, Never trust the "man", and that sure as hell includes the government.

RIP to the victims of the Grenfell fire.

Both parties are shite, the Rs are just as bad and in the same bed with the big corps & 1%ers.. there is no difference and didnt Trump promise big business he would slash regulations & he is gutting the agencies that are supposed to hold soulless corps accountable???? why are you ranting about the Democrats when the Republican party is the very same? actually they are worse cuz they now are undoing many of the protections (such as they are) that are in place.. There is no party or federal politician looking out for you & there hasnt been for quite a while.. If you want a govt that looks out for you more than sleazy corps then you have to move to one of those "socialist" countries..

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I really hate manufacturers that put shite on the market that hasnt been properly tested, letting their customers discover the possibly dangerous or deadly flaws etc on their own rather than the manufacturer doing it.. or who deliberately sell shite that they already know is dangerous cuz they will still make more money than they will have to pay out for injuries or deaths.. I fucking hate that..

eta- I wonder if that death trap cladding is sold here in the US & if so, what kind of buildings its on..

Apparently, the shit that was used for cladding costs a fiver a panel less than something similar but non-flammable: that's what human life is worth to the shitehawks who've been looking sad for the cameras while trying to evade responsibility for the fruits of their corner cutting and greed, a fiver. Five fucking pounds.
(The cladding, incidentally was the least of it in this case: no sprinklers, one staircase, all manner of stuff that shouldn't have got past whoever skimped on the renovation. And don't even get me started on how incompetent, fuckawful and generally half baked Chelsea and Kensington's borough council's attempt to accommodate and feed the survivors who've been left homeless has been thus far. That's the stuff that they're supposed to be there to deal with, instead of expecting charities to do their job for them.)

And yes, that crap is on buildings in the 'States as well as Australia and Dubai.

This sort of tragedy is one of the reasons many people hate greedy soulless corporate bastards/AND the government agencies that are "supposed" to regulate housing and safety codes, maintain standards and safety, INSPECT and PROTECT---but fall short.


BOTH the greedy soulless corporate bastards and the worthless government POS agencies, that are "supposed" to regulate buildings, enforce housing codes, and protect the public safety, are to blame.

Many people seem blind to how worthless and ineffective and inefficient many government agencies ARE.

Do you REALLY trust the government when it comes to building safety, safety and code regulations, adequate emergency evacuations, clean air, clean and safe water, and protecting our food supply?
REALLY?
One of the reasons I despise most of our current Democratic leaders is they are in bed with corporate America in the States.
Most Democratic leaders have sold their souls and are OWNED by soulless greedy corporate bastards.

Who the hell is protecting the citizens from soulless corporations?
In reality---usually---no one.

As a child born during the 60's. I grew up hearing, Never trust the "man", and that sure as hell includes the government.

RIP to the victims of the Grenfell fire.

Both parties are shite, the Rs are just as bad and in the same bed with the big corps & 1%ers.. there is no difference and didnt Trump promise big business he would slash regulations & he is gutting the agencies that are supposed to hold soulless corps accountable???? why are you ranting about the Democrats when the Republican party is the very same? actually they are worse cuz they now are undoing many of the protections (such as they are) that are in place.. There is no party or federal politician looking out for you & there hasnt been for quite a while.. If you want a govt that looks out for you more than sleazy corps then you have to move to one of those "socialist" countries..

I am actually going to respond to this, I am not sure why.
I am a former lifelong Democrat, who has been unhappy with the Democrats since Bill Clinton.
In my world, most people have always understood what the Republican party "stood" for.
Since, I will never be a Republican, I am speaking about disappointment on the Democratic side.
In the States, on many issues they are interchangeable these days.
We basically have close to a one party situation.

That's why most of this mindless bickering on these message boards doesn't mean that much.
Everyday we are moving closer to a One Party State, pretending to be 2 parties.
BOTH Democrats and Republicans are in bed with the greedy, soulless corporate bastards, and owned by Wall Street.

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, since I think both parties are shite.. its not worth posting on threads that go that way, which seems to be almost all of them..

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What a horrifying disaster. The vision of the entire block in flames was harrowing. My thoughts are with those who have lost loved ones or whose loved ones are still unaccounted for.

I have seen some reports that the residents have been complaining to the council for at least 7 months that their building was a fire trap. It appears that the council failed to act on these complaints.

However it's early days yet and it might be prudent to withhold judgement until all the facts emerge.

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Huh,
So yer telling me that
Wrapping the outside of my building in a petroleum product conveniently packaged in it's own aluminium heat shoot,
Waffling on whether or not to upgrade my buildings outdated and dysfunctional indoor fire sprinklers and not providing my tenets with any procedural escape plan in
case of an emergency is a bad idea.....


Holy fuck....are heads gonna roll or what.....

How much you wanna bet some one is going to jail for this.

I'm totally baffled, you know in about every country in the world you would have angry people demanding that heads are going to roll, here some people go "Oh let's wait, it's a tragedy, we must not be disrespectful" pretty much what the NRA does after every mass shooting, here they put an MP in charge of finding out what happened who voted against making rented properties fit for human habitation, the former housing minister is now the chief of staff of the joke who is our PM.

The problem is that it's not just THAT council block, there are about 700 of those blocks in London, a woman said they are like pigeon holes, people are stuffed in, the conditions are horrible, a lot of them are death traps in case of fire.

The company who actually did the cladding has a very shoddy record, went bankrupt and the owner bought back his company for next to nothing and continued under another name, yesterday they destroyed all their files regarding the tower block...

A couple of years ago it was a civilised country, a bit behind the times but you could see it as quaint, now it has turned into a banana republic but without bananas, corruption, poverty, xenophobia... You should see some of the comments, because a lot of the people living in the tower block were black or Asian, people automatically assume they are Muslims, hate groups like Britain First make horrendous comments, some conservative cheered actually about the fact that a mother lost 2 children and said she has more and she will just get some more from different fathers (he simply assumed) so why does she cry... It's disgusting.

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It is revealing to compare the tenor of this thread to others on tragedies in other parts of the world. Noteworthy are the empathy radiating from almost every post, the thoughtful and constructive tone of most posts, the absences of rancour, of abuse, of name calling, and the near invisibility of trolls and trolling. The positives shine through despite the depressing nature of the topic under discussion.

Well done everybody. This thread could act as a template on how to conduct a civilised discussion against the backdrop of a hideous and it seems entirely avoidable tragedy.

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It is revealing to compare the tenor of this thread to others on tragedies in other parts of the world. Noteworthy are the empathy radiating from almost every post, the thoughtful and constructive tone of most posts, the absences of rancour, of abuse, of name calling, and the near invisibility of trolls and trolling. The positives shine through despite the depressing nature of the topic under discussion.

Well done everybody. This thread could act as a template on how to conduct a civilised discussion against the backdrop of a hideous and it seems entirely avoidable tragedy.

We should all want to create policies and enforce safety standards, that make the world a better place for all humans and all living creatures, regardless of politics.

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Metallica - Nothing Else Matters [Official Music Video]

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What a horrifying disaster. The vision of the entire block in flames was harrowing. My thoughts are with those who have lost loved ones or whose loved ones are still unaccounted for.

I have seen some reports that the residents have been complaining to the council for at least 7 months that their building was a fire trap. It appears that the council failed to act on these complaints.

However it's early days yet and it might be prudent to withhold judgement until all the facts emerge.

I read many residents had complained for years, about safety issues in Grenfell.
Have you ever tried getting something from a government agency?
Shame on Labour and the Tories.
Shame shame shame