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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

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ORIGINAL: areallivehuman

It's not a gun problem, it's a ghetto problem.

Fix the ghettos.

You may have meant this sarcastically, but below poverty incomes and deplorable living conditions are, in my opinion, a factor that fits into the gun related demographics. Overpopulated urban areas, below poverty incomes, the glamorization of a gangster lifestyle and terrible education systems as well as a zero tolerance school and legal system that fails our youth.

Yes, this is definitely a problem... so is the gun culture.
The narrative of 'the problem isn't guns, it's (psychiatrists/the media/pharmaceuticals/the economy/society/extremism/black people/white people/religion/irresponsible parents/etc.)' is a tired fallacy.
Surely you can accept that the easy availability of guns plays a role in gun-related crimes.

It isn't about guns but we have to keep people from being able to get them. You don't need anyone else on here, you argue with yourselve.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

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ORIGINAL: areallivehuman

It's not a gun problem, it's a ghetto problem.

Fix the ghettos.

You may have meant this sarcastically, but below poverty incomes and deplorable living conditions are, in my opinion, a factor that fits into the gun related demographics. Overpopulated urban areas, below poverty incomes, the glamorization of a gangster lifestyle and terrible education systems as well as a zero tolerance school and legal system that fails our youth.

Yes, this is definitely a problem... so is the gun culture.
The narrative of 'the problem isn't guns, it's (psychiatrists/the media/pharmaceuticals/the economy/society/extremism/black people/white people/religion/irresponsible parents/etc.)' is a tired fallacy.
Surely you can accept that the easy availability of guns plays a role in gun-related crimes.

It isn't about guns but we have to keep people from being able to get them. You don't need anyone else on here, you argue with yourselve.

You don't need to be able to read properly, you can just make shit up all the time.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

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ORIGINAL: areallivehuman

It's not a gun problem, it's a ghetto problem.

Fix the ghettos.

You may have meant this sarcastically, but below poverty incomes and deplorable living conditions are, in my opinion, a factor that fits into the gun related demographics. Overpopulated urban areas, below poverty incomes, the glamorization of a gangster lifestyle and terrible education systems as well as a zero tolerance school and legal system that fails our youth.

Yes, this is definitely a problem... so is the gun culture.
The narrative of 'the problem isn't guns, it's (psychiatrists/the media/pharmaceuticals/the economy/society/extremism/black people/white people/religion/irresponsible parents/etc.)' is a tired fallacy.
Surely you can accept that the easy availability of guns plays a role in gun-related crimes.

It isn't about guns but we have to keep people from being able to get them. You don't need anyone else on here, you argue with yourselve.

You don't need to be able to read properly, you can just make shit up all the time.

The problem isn't guns, it is the people who missuse them. Then of course there are the morons that think criminals would be good people if only good people couldn't get guns.

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The problem isn't guns, it is the people who missuse them. Then of course there are the morons that think criminals would be good people if only good people couldn't get guns.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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The problem isn't guns, it is the people who missuse them. Then of course there are the morons that think criminals would be good people if only good people couldn't get guns.

I got an idea. Just let them kill us with their pots and bottles or whatever. And then when we are dead, with their degrees in fucking basketweaving they can figure out how to build bridges, airports and highways.

How come all the people I know who are useful are not liberals ? The liberals either got a government job or are getting a check, and plenty of medication usually.

Notice how those pills used to be called medicine but are now called medication ?

Or did perhaps "medication" take your curiousity down to the point where you just swallow what the spoon out ?

As a race, humans are repulsive.

T^T

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@HeavyBlinker
"The narrative of 'the problem isn't guns, it's (psychiatrists/the media/pharmaceuticals/the economy/society/extremism/black people/white people/religion/irresponsible parents/etc.)' is a tired fallacy.
Surely you can accept that the easy availability of guns plays a role in gun-related crimes.

(in reply to WinsomeDefiance)

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
And the biggest problem is that people like you are able to get guns.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
And the biggest problem is that people like you are able to get guns.

Translation - the government should pick and choose who gets guns and who doesn't

(President Trump and the Republican congress)

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
I accept that easyavailability of guns is a factor. It is extremely easy for a criminal to get their hands on a firearm.
Now, where are those illegal firearms coming from? They aren't heading into Magnum Sports or Walmart to get them.

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
Now, regarding firearm manufacturers. Those companies profiting from the sale of firearms and the lucrative business of war. America holds the top two slots. Guess who is number three? The U.K.

The U.K. Disarms their own citizens while profiting from the deaths of civilians in other worlds from war and firearms.

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
Meanwhile, as the world goes to shit, people point at the data in America and say - look at how many people die from guns - distorting the data and happily ignoring that their own country is manufacturing a large portion of the crap that greases the cogs that run the war and arms machine.

So no, I do not accept that the root core disease is private ownership of guns. I do not believe that is a fallacy.

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
I believe that as the world goes to shit, and people get comfortable getting their food from grocery stores not equipped to supply the demand for food in the event of an economic, natural disaster or other shit hitting the fan scenario; I'm going to ensure that I can go out and hunt my grandchildren some food. By the way, that includes knowledge of which wild plants and herbs are edible, where they grow locally as well as being able to hit what I aim at.

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
In the meantime, the U.K. Citizens can lobby against the war mongrels in your own country and see if they are willing to close down those manufacturing companies providing firearms and other deadly weapons.

The problem is a helluva lot bigger than gun loving Americans.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
And the biggest problem is that people like you are able to get guns.

Translation - the government should pick and choose who gets guns and who doesn't

(President Trump and the Republican congress)

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
I accept that easyavailability of guns is a factor. It is extremely easy for a criminal to get their hands on a firearm.
Now, where are those illegal firearms coming from? They aren't heading into Magnum Sports or Walmart to get them.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

Most of them get guns via straw purchases-- so yes, probably from Magnum Sports or Walmart.
When criminals need guns, they're not going to waste time looking for guns to steal... why would they when they're available in stores?

After that, the most popular way is through licensed gun dealers who sell them illegally.

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
Now, regarding firearm manufacturers. Those companies profiting from the sale of firearms and the lucrative business of war. America holds the top two slots. Guess who is number three? The U.K.

The U.K. Disarms their own citizens while profiting from the deaths of civilians in other worlds from war and firearms.

I don't know what your point is.
So what if the UK is profiting from the deaths of civilians in other parts of the world?
Aren't we talking about what happens in the US?

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
Meanwhile, as the world goes to shit, people point at the data in America and say - look at how many people die from guns - distorting the data and happily ignoring that their own country is manufacturing a large portion of the crap that greases the cogs that run the war and arms machine.

So no, I do not accept that the root core disease is private ownership of guns. I do not believe that is a fallacy.

The fallacy is that because other things play a role in mass shootings, gun control would have no effect.
Your belief isn't fallacious, it's just wrong.

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
I believe that as the world goes to shit, and people get comfortable getting their food from grocery stores not equipped to supply the demand for food in the event of an economic, natural disaster or other shit hitting the fan scenario; I'm going to ensure that I can go out and hunt my grandchildren some food. By the way, that includes knowledge of which wild plants and herbs are edible, where they grow locally as well as being able to hit what I aim at.

So what kind of gun do you need to do that?
There's a difference between someone like you who lives in a rural area and likes to go hunting and the psychos like Termyn8or.
He buys guns because he thinks Muslims and Liberals are coming to rape his family, and he wants to kill them.

I have no doubt in my mind that you would be able to pass more stringent screening in order to be granted a gun license, which you could use to buy a basic rifle for sportsmanlike hunting.
You don't strike me as particularly unbalanced.

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
In the meantime, the U.K. Citizens can lobby against the war mongrels in your own country and see if they are willing to close down those manufacturing companies providing firearms and other deadly weapons.

The problem is a helluva lot bigger than gun loving Americans.

Okay now that is a fallacy.
Just because there are 'bigger' problems in the world doesn't mean this one isn't worth addressing.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

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ORIGINAL: areallivehuman

It's not a gun problem, it's a ghetto problem.

Fix the ghettos.

You may have meant this sarcastically, but below poverty incomes and deplorable living conditions are, in my opinion, a factor that fits into the gun related demographics. Overpopulated urban areas, below poverty incomes, the glamorization of a gangster lifestyle and terrible education systems as well as a zero tolerance school and legal system that fails our youth.

Yes, this is definitely a problem... so is the gun culture.
The narrative of 'the problem isn't guns, it's (psychiatrists/the media/pharmaceuticals/the economy/society/extremism/black people/white people/religion/irresponsible parents/etc.)' is a tired fallacy.
Surely you can accept that the easy availability of guns plays a role in gun-related crimes.

It isn't about guns but we have to keep people from being able to get them. You don't need anyone else on here, you argue with yourselve.

You don't need to be able to read properly, you can just make shit up all the time.

The problem isn't guns, it is the people who missuse them. Then of course there are the morons that think criminals would be good people if only good people couldn't get guns.

No, actually the problems are the guns AND the people who misuse them.
Then there are the morons who think that you can't have more than one problem at the same time.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
I accept that easyavailability of guns is a factor. It is extremely easy for a criminal to get their hands on a firearm.
Now, where are those illegal firearms coming from? They aren't heading into Magnum Sports or Walmart to get them.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

Most of them get guns via straw purchases-- so yes, probably from Magnum Sports or Walmart.
When criminals need guns, they're not going to waste time looking for guns to steal... why would they when they're available in stores?

After that, the most popular way is through licensed gun dealers who sell them illegally.

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
Now, regarding firearm manufacturers. Those companies profiting from the sale of firearms and the lucrative business of war. America holds the top two slots. Guess who is number three? The U.K.

The U.K. Disarms their own citizens while profiting from the deaths of civilians in other worlds from war and firearms.

I don't know what your point is.
So what if the UK is profiting from the deaths of civilians in other parts of the world?
Aren't we talking about what happens in the US?

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
Meanwhile, as the world goes to shit, people point at the data in America and say - look at how many people die from guns - distorting the data and happily ignoring that their own country is manufacturing a large portion of the crap that greases the cogs that run the war and arms machine.

So no, I do not accept that the root core disease is private ownership of guns. I do not believe that is a fallacy.

The fallacy is that because other things play a role in mass shootings, gun control would have no effect.
Your belief isn't fallacious, it's just wrong.

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
I believe that as the world goes to shit, and people get comfortable getting their food from grocery stores not equipped to supply the demand for food in the event of an economic, natural disaster or other shit hitting the fan scenario; I'm going to ensure that I can go out and hunt my grandchildren some food. By the way, that includes knowledge of which wild plants and herbs are edible, where they grow locally as well as being able to hit what I aim at.

So what kind of gun do you need to do that?
There's a difference between someone like you who lives in a rural area and likes to go hunting and the psychos like Termyn8or.
He buys guns because he thinks Muslims and Liberals are coming to rape his family, and he wants to kill them.

I have no doubt in my mind that you would be able to pass more stringent screening in order to be granted a gun license, which you could use to buy a basic rifle for sportsmanlike hunting.
You don't strike me as particularly unbalanced.

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
In the meantime, the U.K. Citizens can lobby against the war mongrels in your own country and see if they are willing to close down those manufacturing companies providing firearms and other deadly weapons.

The problem is a helluva lot bigger than gun loving Americans.

Okay now that is a fallacy.
Just because there are 'bigger' problems in the world doesn't mean this one isn't worth addressing.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And the people who don't missuse them are the only targets of evry law proposed.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
You do know that straw purchases are illegal so those guns are still illegally obtained.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
I accept that easyavailability of guns is a factor. It is extremely easy for a criminal to get their hands on a firearm.
Now, where are those illegal firearms coming from? They aren't heading into Magnum Sports or Walmart to get them.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

Most of them get guns via straw purchases-- so yes, probably from Magnum Sports or Walmart.
When criminals need guns, they're not going to waste time looking for guns to steal... why would they when they're available in stores?

After that, the most popular way is through licensed gun dealers who sell them illegally.

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
Now, regarding firearm manufacturers. Those companies profiting from the sale of firearms and the lucrative business of war. America holds the top two slots. Guess who is number three? The U.K.

The U.K. Disarms their own citizens while profiting from the deaths of civilians in other worlds from war and firearms.

I don't know what your point is.
So what if the UK is profiting from the deaths of civilians in other parts of the world?
Aren't we talking about what happens in the US?

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
Meanwhile, as the world goes to shit, people point at the data in America and say - look at how many people die from guns - distorting the data and happily ignoring that their own country is manufacturing a large portion of the crap that greases the cogs that run the war and arms machine.

So no, I do not accept that the root core disease is private ownership of guns. I do not believe that is a fallacy.

The fallacy is that because other things play a role in mass shootings, gun control would have no effect.
Your belief isn't fallacious, it's just wrong.

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
I believe that as the world goes to shit, and people get comfortable getting their food from grocery stores not equipped to supply the demand for food in the event of an economic, natural disaster or other shit hitting the fan scenario; I'm going to ensure that I can go out and hunt my grandchildren some food. By the way, that includes knowledge of which wild plants and herbs are edible, where they grow locally as well as being able to hit what I aim at.

So what kind of gun do you need to do that?
There's a difference between someone like you who lives in a rural area and likes to go hunting and the psychos like Termyn8or.
He buys guns because he thinks Muslims and Liberals are coming to rape his family, and he wants to kill them.

I have no doubt in my mind that you would be able to pass more stringent screening in order to be granted a gun license, which you could use to buy a basic rifle for sportsmanlike hunting.
You don't strike me as particularly unbalanced.

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
In the meantime, the U.K. Citizens can lobby against the war mongrels in your own country and see if they are willing to close down those manufacturing companies providing firearms and other deadly weapons.

The problem is a helluva lot bigger than gun loving Americans.

Okay now that is a fallacy.
Just because there are 'bigger' problems in the world doesn't mean this one isn't worth addressing.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
You are clearly unaware of the fact that a gun dealer has to account for every one of their firearms to ATF, those who sell them illegally do keep their liscense long and go to jail. And again any firearms obtained this way are obtained illegally, so we have that one covered by law as well.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
And the biggest problem is that people like you are able to get guns.

Translation - the government should pick and choose who gets guns and who doesn't

(President Trump and the Republican congress)

No, fuckface... ideally people who actually understand things like mental illness and right versus wrong would be the ones making the decisions.