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im at a little disadvantage because I cannot watch video, so the content of the op is lost to me, but the gospel quotations you shared have to do with the second coming of christ, which is not a topic at all in revelation chapter 12.
also, for what its worth, Christian "bible code" prophecies are frowned upon in mainstream Christianity and exist only on the fringes.
As much as people want to think that John was speaking of the end of the world, when you examine Revelations, all of the symbolism points to Imperial Rome and Nero.
Furthermore, when you take Judaism, Islam, and Christianity and look at the 'holy scriptures' you are examining a series of religions that are based on much earlier polytheistic religions of the region. The story of Noah is found in the Epic Of Gilgamesh, which predates Judaism by almost a thousand years.
Even the holy trinity is a throw back to Polytheistic religions, the three that is one, The father, The son, and the holy spirit.
Even the life of Christ is full of inconsistencies, not the least of which is his teaching in Synagogues, because for him to do so, he would have had to have been married, because as much as he claimed to bring a new law to replace the law of Moses, there is no way the Jewish communities would allow a non married man to teach in a synagogue.
As for his crucifixion, he was accused of heresy, which was not a crime against Rome, and was tried by the Pharisees of the Temple, so at most he would have been stoned, not crucified.
Yet the new Testament has him tried in a religious court then turned over to Pilate for punishment, which would not have happened, Pilate, under Roman law had no authority to punish a man convicted in a local religious court of heresy.
Finally, he was referred to as Jesus of Nazarene. The major problem with this is that the town or village of Nazarene did not exist in his time.
As for Mary and Joseph going to Bethlehem to be taxed, well there was no decree by any Roman Emperor that coincided with his birth, and the only decree for taxation in the middle east at the time was by a governor of a different district, which would not have affected Mary and Joseph in the slightest.
Nor would a tax decree by a Roman Emperor would have affected non-Romans. The decree would have only applied to Roman citizens. And even then they would have paid the taxes in the cities they resided in.
Finally, none of the Gospels were written while he was alive, the earliest was written between 30 and fifty years after he died and was cobbled together from oral traditions passed down from those who heard the disciples preach.
Not to mention that none of the Gospels actually agree on the circumstances of his birth, or anything else of great importance. In fact, they appear to have been written to spin the aspects of Jesus's life to fit the old testament requirements for his birth to meet the old testament prophecies, and even then they did not get them right, having ignored some of the most important key prophetic requirements for the Messiah.
Which is why the Hebrews consider him a great teacher, but not the son of God, and in the strictest Jewish traditions, the Messiah is not the son of God, but the one who will deliver the Jewish people out of trials and tribulations and re establish the kingdom of Judah.
And if you read Isiah, he ain't going to show up until the Temple is established in the tops of the mountains, which pretty much means that the temple in Jerusalem is not a candidate.
All of this is as bad as the Mormon Church claiming that one of the lost tribes of Israel came to the Americas. Even if they were completely wiped out, the peoples of the Americas would have some genetic trace of this lost tribe, which does not exist in the slightest.
Hell, Emperor Constantine had to threaten the church leaders of his time to actually come to agreement as to what the main points of faith was, including the divinity of Jesus himself. Up until the council of Nicea, there was no single point of agreement within the early churches except that Jesus had indeed lived.
So Constantine got all the leaders together, informed them that they would come up with a single unifying code of faith, or he was going to execute the lot of them and get others who would. And that was in 325.
When the new testament was codified, a number of books were thrown out as heresy, even though they were contemporaries of the accepted gospels, of these are the Gospel of Judas, the Gospel of Mary, and at least three others.
So to call the new Testament the word of God is a stretch at the very least and complete bullshit at the worst, since the codified new testament and the two men that put it together by order of Constantine did so by choosing books that did not contradict what was agreed to in 325.
And the book of Revelations did not get added for a century after the first new testaments were pinned into existence.
And of course there are the European views of what Jesus looked like, long flowing hair, light colored eyes, fair skin.
Jesus was born of a Jewish mother, and would have been Jewish. Dark skin, dark eyes, and with hair typical of middle eastern genetic stock. In other words, he would have looked like every Jew or Muslim that white supremacist fundie Christians point at and call inferior races.
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