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RE: If the media isn't liberal, what is it? - 7/19/2017 4:57:46 PM   
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"If the media isn't liberal . . ."

They definitely are not and never have been for over 30+ years, and actually not before then, either.

The media have a long history of being anti-labor, to start with.

The "liberal media" is a grand fallacy, is what it is.

CNN or MSNBC or whoever else have interest in selling high-priced adverts, just like Fox or anyone else.

All media you see on TV and most that searches lead you to on the internet are owned by media conglomerates, and they have the same single interest that any other mega-corporation does.

The ongoing incestual relationships* between corporations' board of governors, -including media corporations-, militates against relating news of any underlying consequence, but 'scandal!' and 'political implications!' we have in abundance.

*(This CEO is on the board of another company, their CEO is on the board of this company, etc.)

It doesn't matter whether 'right' or 'left,' the media will insist on turning everything possible into a politic matter, thereby cutting off any argument of intrinsic merit at the knees and dividing people from the outset, before it gets any further.


Often referred to as “the father of public relations,” Bernays in 1928 published his seminal work, Propaganda, in which he argued that public relations is not a gimmick but a necessity:

The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, and our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of…. It is they who pull the wires that control the public mind.

Yet propaganda had acquired a somewhat pejorative connotation (which would be further magnified during World War II), so Bernays promoted the term “public relations.”

Drawing on the insights of his Uncle Sigmund a relationship Bernays was always quick to mention he developed an approach he dubbed “the engineering of consent.” He provided leaders the means to “control and regiment the masses according to our will without their knowing about it.” To do so, it was necessary to appeal not to the rational part of the mind, but the unconscious.

HERE

Good read.

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RE: If the media isn't liberal, what is it? - 7/19/2017 6:58:14 PM   
Hillwilliam


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Who has the highest rated news network? FOX

Are they liberal or conservative?

End of argument.

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RE: If the media isn't liberal, what is it? - 7/19/2017 7:07:20 PM   
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FR to the "The media is liberal" argument.

Who has the highest rated news network? FOX

Are they liberal or conservative?

End of argument.


Dumb argument.

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RE: If the media isn't liberal, what is it? - 7/19/2017 11:21:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

FR to the "The media is liberal" argument.

Who has the highest rated news network? FOX

Are they liberal or conservative?

End of argument.

While it may be true that FOX has the highest ratings, that doesn't mean much when you consider they are ONE network up against:
ABC
CBS
NBC
PMSNBC
CNN
PBS

It's like complaining about Rush. He's one host...with a 3 hour show...up against:
NPR
NBC Radio
CBS Radio
ABC Radio
Air America (oh wait...that's right...nobody LISTENED to Air America)

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RE: If the media isn't liberal, what is it? - 7/20/2017 12:43:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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You treat the media as a monolithic entity.

There are aspects that are liberal, there are aspects that are conservative.
Admittedly, most of the aspects are liberal.

I will also say that there are few things more amusing than some RW radio host (Radio is media right?) WHINING about "The media is liberal" when THEY are part of the fucking media.

Fortunately for them, most of their listeners are too fucking STUPID to figure that out.


When people talk about "the media" they generally mean the big mass media outlets, 99.999% of which are big alt left propaganda spewers who even get sick of their own repetitive "TRUMP!!! RUSSIA!!! " Kool-Aid

Continue your obsession with Me

DANCE bitch

How refreshing to learn that BoscoX is an equal opportunity obsessive.

We're all sadly too aware of his obsessions with liberals and lefists, so it makes a pleasant change to see that he is equally obsessed with some on the Right* too.

Now that we know he is capable of NOT discriminating, we face the daunting task of trying to get him to apply this principle in all areas of his life. They say 'Where there's life there's hope' but I am going to take some convincing it applies in this instance.


* I am assuming that, having identified yourself as a libertarian, you don't mind me calling your politics right-wing. If you do mind, please accept my apology.

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RE: If the media isn't liberal, what is it? - 7/20/2017 3:37:48 AM   
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At the end of the day, it's all about marketing.

"And Now, A Word From Our Sponsor!"

Bill Hicks has (or had) it covered.

The Marketing Dollar

JUvenal was there long before Bill Hicks. Bread and circuses, dig? A population that's obsessively distracted with trivia and dismisses any allegations about politicians as "fake news" without even looking at it is very easy to control.

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RE: If the media isn't liberal, what is it? - 7/20/2017 5:44:16 AM   
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If the media isn't liberal, what is it?


Mainly, lazy and incompetent.

No longer do many reporters or news organizations gather news or investigate stories.

No longer do they sort out their opinions from the confirmed facts.

No longer do they strive to answer the speculative questions they raise in click-bait headlines.

Mostly, they rush to get out sensationalized headlines, and their primary source is repeating stories published elsewhere. It's all one big echo chamber.

Except that little of it is worth hearing.

And that's the "good" media.

Then there's the deliberate bias and outright lies of the fringe media,
And, it's true, the "mainstream" media has at times picked favorites and slanted coverage.

It's a mess.

And the public, refusing to believe they themselves read for confirmation bias, feeds it.

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RE: If the media isn't liberal, what is it? - 7/20/2017 7:54:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

FR to the "The media is liberal" argument.

Who has the highest rated news network? FOX

Are they liberal or conservative?

End of argument.

While it may be true that FOX has the highest ratings, that doesn't mean much when you consider they are ONE network up against:
ABC
CBS
NBC
PMSNBC
CNN
PBS

It's like complaining about Rush. He's one host...with a 3 hour show...up against:
NPR
NBC Radio
CBS Radio
ABC Radio
Air America (oh wait...that's right...nobody LISTENED to Air America)


And consider how alt left trash obsess and rage and vehemently propagandize against FOX and Rush, fanatically record and scrutinize their every broadcast in hope of finding any excuse to silence them through boycotts of their sponsors or FCC action etc

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RE: If the media isn't liberal, what is it? - 7/20/2017 8:03:15 AM   
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Mainly, lazy and incompetent.

No longer do many reporters or news organizations gather news or investigate stories.

No longer do they sort out their opinions from the confirmed facts.

No longer do they strive to answer the speculative questions they raise in click-bait headlines.

Mostly, they rush to get out sensationalized headlines, and their primary source is repeating stories published elsewhere. It's all one big echo chamber.

Except that little of it is worth hearing.

And that's the "good" media.

Then there's the deliberate bias and outright lies of the fringe media,
And, it's true, the "mainstream" media has at times picked favorites and slanted coverage.

It's a mess.

And the public, refusing to believe they themselves read for confirmation bias, feeds it.


Hilarious, coming from someone who posts from KOS and VOX and other radical alt left websites that are the worst of the worst for outrageous bias

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RE: If the media isn't liberal, what is it? - 7/20/2017 8:03:53 AM   
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RE: If the media isn't liberal, what is it? - 7/20/2017 8:44:27 AM   
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Dear Americanshire Jackals.

You have a two party system okay in theory you have a 1 party system
Dems who are centre --> right
Republicans - who are so far right ------------------------->they are just a bunch of extremists

You have neither leftists - or liberals. You don't even know what that means you have bastardized the original meanings to the extent you have long forgotten, and employ it as a slur, insult, alienation, a tool weaponised soley divide etc

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RE: If the media isn't liberal, what is it? - 7/20/2017 12:55:33 PM   
Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

FR to the "The media is liberal" argument.

Who has the highest rated news network? FOX

Are they liberal or conservative?

End of argument.


Dumb argument.


No, it's not. It's a fair point.

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RE: If the media isn't liberal, what is it? - 7/20/2017 1:11:13 PM   
tamaka


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


If the media isn't liberal, what is it?


Mainly, lazy and incompetent.

No longer do many reporters or news organizations gather news or investigate stories.

No longer do they sort out their opinions from the confirmed facts.

No longer do they strive to answer the speculative questions they raise in click-bait headlines.

Mostly, they rush to get out sensationalized headlines, and their primary source is repeating stories published elsewhere. It's all one big echo chamber.

Except that little of it is worth hearing.

And that's the "good" media.

Then there's the deliberate bias and outright lies of the fringe media,
And, it's true, the "mainstream" media has at times picked favorites and slanted coverage.

It's a mess.

And the public, refusing to believe they themselves read for confirmation bias, feeds it.


That's because the majority of people prefer to be entertained rather than accurately informed.


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RE: If the media isn't liberal, what is it? - 7/20/2017 1:29:57 PM   
Musicmystery


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Whether they are or not.

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RE: If the media isn't liberal, what is it? - 7/20/2017 3:29:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: Edwird

At the end of the day, it's all about marketing.

"And Now, A Word From Our Sponsor!"

Bill Hicks has (or had) it covered.

The Marketing Dollar

JUvenal was there long before Bill Hicks. Bread and circuses, dig? A population that's obsessively distracted with trivia and dismisses any allegations about politicians as "fake news" without even looking at it is very easy to control.


We have to go with what we've got. Gotta keep up with the times, etc.

Or unless you think that everything from Juvenal was 100% original, no reference to whatever had come before, no investigation from him into any history or into those who preceded him in his chosen profession. Or that the output from Juvenal negates any and all output from Lenny Bruce, Richard Prior, Woody Allen, etc, who all made cogent social and political commentary in their venture.

The good performers, the ones we pay to see, are unique in one way or another. We attend plays and music concerts and musical theater and read books and magazine articles and visit art gallery openings to see fresh presentations of whatever was created two weeks ago or 2.000 years ago. Do you have evidence that Juvenal's presentation was better than anyone else after him? Or evidence that his content was 100% original? Because when it comes to being in front of an audience, presentation is everything.

"BillyBoy JimBob came up with Bluegrass and R&R and R&B in 1908," (to-purpose fiction, here), so get his records and turn off the Chuck Berry and Bill Monroe and Eric Clapton and Otis Redding.

"Dig"?

PS

Just out of curiosity; what was Juvenal's take on LSD and Psilocybin mushrooms and Peyote?

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RE: If the media isn't liberal, what is it? - 7/20/2017 3:36:20 PM   
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Can you dig it

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RE: If the media isn't liberal, what is it? - 7/20/2017 3:44:07 PM   
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There's nothing liberal about them, they're leftists.

Oh look, yet another dimbot Yank who doesn't know the meanings of the words he uses.

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RE: If the media isn't liberal, what is it? - 7/20/2017 3:49:29 PM   
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If the media isn't liberal, what is it?

It is apolitical, neither conservative nor progressive, though like all big corporations it tends to the conservative side. They are about selling ads, that is their entire business, that's their business. The shows and shit is just to get you to watch, so they can charge more for their ads than the other guy can.
They don't give a shit about left/right or anything else other than advertising revenue, that is the be all and end all of the media's interest. If the people running Fox News figured they could make more money by being a mouthpiece for the Marxist-Leninists, then they would switch their politics overnight.

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RE: If the media isn't liberal, what is it? - 7/20/2017 3:54:00 PM   
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who posts from KOS and VOX and other radical alt left websites

Dafuq? There isn't a fucking thing even vaguely radical or alt, or even left about either of those sites, they are solidly centrist sites.

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RE: If the media isn't liberal, what is it? - 7/20/2017 3:58:39 PM   
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I think boscox can take you on here

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