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Kaliko -> RE: Lesbian Couple Chemically Altering Their 11-year-old Boy to Prep For Sex-change Surgery (8/1/2017 11:26:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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What are the permanent effects you referred to in post 21 that occur from delaying the onset of puberty?


Puberty does not happen when it is supposed to. What are you a fucking moron ? You think it is OK to fuck with the life cycle of a human being ? There is something wrong with you.

You let kids develop their own way. If they have issues you don't deal with it with hormones n shit. If you think that is OK, stay the fuck away.

Got it ?

T^T


The article says the child was diagnosed with gender identity disorder at 7 and then started transitioning at 8. If this is true, then regardless of what "started transitioning" specifically means, that's an awfully short span of time to jump from diagnosis to acceptance. I really have trouble believing they attempted to provide adequate mental health treatment to try to address the child's issues.

Yes, perhaps fully transitioning really is the right answer for this specific person. But why wouldn't a parent exhaust other possibilities before going down that road? Kids are all kinds of fucked up. My niece was cutting herself. My other niece overdosed (and then called for help, thankfully). My friend's son stopped eating. The event that caused these parents to take action was when the child threatened genital mutilation. Yeah...kids do this shit. They don't have the skills yet to cope with stress and confusion. they seek control, and sometimes it results in self harm. Parents should be providing the resources to help their kids through it. I feel like, in this case, they threw their hands up and thought "Well, if you threatened to hurt yourself. I guess you must mean business." No. Man up (pun intended) and parent. Kids do this. It's the job of the adult to help them learn how to manage themselves, even when (especially when) it's really, really hard.




stef -> RE: Lesbian Couple Chemically Altering Their 11-year-old Boy to Prep For Sex-change Surgery (8/1/2017 11:36:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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What are the permanent effects you referred to in post 21 that occur from delaying the onset of puberty?


Puberty does not happen when it is supposed to.

And what is the permanent effect from that? How does that adversely affect the life of the individual in question?

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What are you a fucking moron ? You think it is OK to fuck with the life cycle of a human being ? There is something wrong with you.

Treating diseases "fucks with the life cycle of a human being." Taking antibiotics when you have an infection "fucks with the life cycle of a human being." Transplanting a failing organ "fucks with the the life cycle of a human being." Smoking and drinking "fucks with the the life cycle of a human being."

Which of those are going to cause you to throw a tizzy?

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You let kids develop their own way. If they have issues you don't deal with it with hormones n shit.

Endocrinologists treat kids all the time with a myriad of hormonal issues and make their lives better. There are kids who don't start puberty when they should or start way too early due to endocrine issues. Are you against treating them too or is it just this particular situation and the fact that the child's parents are a lesbian couple, colorfully described by you as "these cunt[sic]", is involved that offends your delicate sensibilities?

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If you think that is OK, stay the fuck away.

As if anyone here would ever want to be near you.





tweakabelle -> RE: Lesbian Couple Chemically Altering Their 11-year-old Boy to Prep For Sex-change Surgery (8/2/2017 6:04:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

The article says the child was diagnosed with gender identity disorder at 7 and then started transitioning at 8. If this is true, then regardless of what "started transitioning" specifically means, that's an awfully short span of time to jump from diagnosis to acceptance. I really have trouble believing they attempted to provide adequate mental health treatment to try to address the child's issues.

Yes, perhaps fully transitioning really is the right answer for this specific person. But why wouldn't a parent exhaust other possibilities before going down that road? Kids are all kinds of fucked up. My niece was cutting herself. My other niece overdosed (and then called for help, thankfully). My friend's son stopped eating. The event that caused these parents to take action was when the child threatened genital mutilation. Yeah...kids do this shit. They don't have the skills yet to cope with stress and confusion. they seek control, and sometimes it results in self harm. Parents should be providing the resources to help their kids through it. I feel like, in this case, they threw their hands up and thought "Well, if you threatened to hurt yourself. I guess you must mean business." No. Man up (pun intended) and parent. Kids do this. It's the job of the adult to help them learn how to manage themselves, even when (especially when) it's really, really hard.


Reading your post, I got the impression (rightly or wrongly) that, with a little research, the answers to your questions would be answered. Here's one TV program that explores the issue in depth without sensationalising it:
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2014/11/17/4127631.htm
Having researched this area as part of my degree, I can assure you that parents only agree to their child transitioning after all other options have been tried and failed. TG life is not something any loving parent would force on a child - it is a hard lifestyle choice for adults, let alone children. Again and again, I encountered parents reporting that they accepted their child's TG nature only when the child threatened self harm or actually self harmed. It is not a choice for the child, their gender is set in concrete in their own consciousnness - the choice is the parent's and the choice is whether they accept the child's nature or not.

As you can imagine, these are excruciatingly difficult decisions for parents. They are decisions that most parents don't want to make, they are decisions that are made only after all the options have been tried, failed and exhausted. If you put yourself in a parent's position I am sure you would agree that it is not a decision you want to take, nor is it a route that you would find attractive for your child. Most parents try everything they can possibly think of, and then more, before agreeing to transition and no doubt you would be no exception.

So how should a parent express their love for a child when all the other options have proved to be failures? If the child's sense of their own gender is immovable, then how should a parent react? Do they support the child, or do they defer to social expectations, imposing them on their child? There is a growing understanding of gender as a social phenomenon, that gender is not a binary phenomenon or a phenomenon of opposites, that it occurs along a spectrum or continuum.

You might not find a child's location on that spectrum to be ideal, but this is about the child, not the often poorly-informed expectations of those around the child.




Termyn8or -> RE: Lesbian Couple Chemically Altering Their 11-year-old Boy to Prep For Sex-change Surgery (8/2/2017 4:32:01 PM)

What RM sees is that these are Lesbians, who by definition do not like Men. He is seeing that their influence is affected by their attitude. There is no denying this.

His view is slanted for sure, but not unreasonable.

Alright, let's take this in another direction. What if it was a Gay couple (males) who adopted a girl and she wanted F to M gender reassignment surgery ? Would you be as supportive of that ?

Answer.

T^T




stef -> RE: Lesbian Couple Chemically Altering Their 11-year-old Boy to Prep For Sex-change Surgery (8/2/2017 4:44:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

What RM sees is that these are Lesbians, who by definition do not like Men. He is seeing that their influence is affected by their attitude. There is no denying this.

By whose definition? There is plenty denying this. Lesbians do not dislike "Men", they're just not sexually attracted to them.

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His view is slanted for sure, but not unreasonable.

His view is nowhere near reasonable.

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Alright, let's take this in another direction. What if it was a Gay couple (males) who adopted a girl and she wanted F to M gender reassignment surgery ? Would you be as supportive of that ?

Why would that make any difference to someone who isn't a homophobic ass?





Wayward5oul -> RE: Lesbian Couple Chemically Altering Their 11-year-old Boy to Prep For Sex-change Surgery (8/2/2017 5:15:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

What RM sees is that these are Lesbians, who by definition do not like Men. He is seeing that their influence is affected by their attitude. There is no denying this.

His view is slanted for sure, but not unreasonable.

Alright, let's take this in another direction. What if it was a Gay couple (males) who adopted a girl and she wanted F to M gender reassignment surgery ? Would you be as supportive of that ?

Answer.

T^T

Much as rm would like to make this a "lesbian couple" issue, it's not. He cherry picked one story; there are many cases of heterosexual parents facing the same issues and choosing the same outcome.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/18/living/feat-transgender-child-raising-ryland/index.html

https://www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/lanesainty/this-12-year-old-transgender-girl-has-a-request-for-help

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90273278

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5823698





LadyPact -> RE: Lesbian Couple Chemically Altering Their 11-year-old Boy to Prep For Sex-change Surgery (8/2/2017 8:31:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
What RM sees is that these are Lesbians, who by definition do not like Men. He is seeing that their influence is affected by their attitude. There is no denying this.

His view is slanted for sure, but not unreasonable.

Alright, let's take this in another direction. What if it was a Gay couple (males) who adopted a girl and she wanted F to M gender reassignment surgery ? Would you be as supportive of that ?

Answer.

T^T

I'm going to take partial credit. Please refer back to post #32, where I asked people what they thought of Jazz Jennings. Nobody on the thread said a word. Was that because she has straight, het parents?

For those who don't know, Jazz Jennings was one of the youngest people to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria. (The surname of Jennings is a pseudonym.) Since age five, she has lived in her female identity. She is an author, educator, and spokesperson. She's been named one of the most influential teens by both People magazine and Time. Her list of credits is amazing for somebody who is not yet an adult.

Would I see a transgender teen the same way if that person was f2m, rather than m2f? Yes, I would. Mostly due to the fact that I wouldn't say that one person should have barriers based on their birth gender, whether their parents were biological or adoptive, race, religion, or anything else. If it is the best course of medical care, after extensive testing, I would probably think they know more than I do.





Danemora -> RE: Lesbian Couple Chemically Altering Their 11-year-old Boy to Prep For Sex-change Surgery (8/2/2017 9:06:16 PM)

~FRing it~

Another article regarding this young trans girl and her journey. Knew there had to be more to the story than RM's bullshit link was giving

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2011/09/27/health/transgender-kids/index.html




angelikaJ -> RE: Lesbian Couple Chemically Altering Their 11-year-old Boy to Prep For Sex-change Surgery (8/3/2017 9:17:26 AM)

Much better explained, thank you!




Awareness -> RE: Lesbian Couple Chemically Altering Their 11-year-old Boy to Prep For Sex-change Surgery (8/21/2017 5:06:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: respectmen

https://ihavethetruth.com/2017/07/24/lesbian-couple-in-california-chemically-alter-their-11-year-old-boy-to-prep-for-sex-change-surgery/

Men haters ruining a kid's life.


Technically, it's child abuse. Interfering with the normal hormonal development of a child to advance your own political agenda.

In a way, it's a form of consent violation (as a child is not mature enough to give consent) and thus, rape.

Lesbians are raping children now? Really? Why are these foul pigs not incarcerated?




Awareness -> RE: Lesbian Couple Chemically Altering Their 11-year-old Boy to Prep For Sex-change Surgery (8/21/2017 5:08:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


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ORIGINAL: stef

Yes, because lesbians hate men. You poor sad little babyman.



So you approve of this shit ? Or are you just so fucking nasty that you'll say anything against those you hate for their views no matter how nasty it is ?
Bingo! we have a winner.

I'll also point out that trans people tend to suffer other mental illnesses in addition to gender identity disorder (or gender dysphoria, take your pick), so this is hardly surprising.




Awareness -> RE: Lesbian Couple Chemically Altering Their 11-year-old Boy to Prep For Sex-change Surgery (8/21/2017 5:12:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

So..

What do y'all feel about Jazz Jennings?


Child abuse AND trans propaganda rolled into one.




fellini -> RE: Lesbian Couple Chemically Altering Their 11-year-old Boy to Prep For Sex-change Surgery (8/21/2017 9:49:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness


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ORIGINAL: respectmen

https://ihavethetruth.com/2017/07/24/lesbian-couple-in-california-chemically-alter-their-11-year-old-boy-to-prep-for-sex-change-surgery/

Men haters ruining a kid's life.


Technically, it's child abuse. Interfering with the normal hormonal development of a child to advance your own political agenda.

In a way, it's a form of consent violation (as a child is not mature enough to give consent) and thus, rape.

Lesbians are raping children now? Really? Why are these foul pigs not incarcerated?


Child abuse it exactly is. It's confusing a child's thought on gender identity due to the political agenda of the lesbian parents. The poor bugger isn't old enough to make these decisions, these political driven men haters are indoctrinating him.




Danemora -> RE: Lesbian Couple Chemically Altering Their 11-year-old Boy to Prep For Sex-change Surgery (8/21/2017 10:39:25 PM)

Calm down, Nicky




fellini -> RE: Lesbian Couple Chemically Altering Their 11-year-old Boy to Prep For Sex-change Surgery (8/21/2017 11:04:35 PM)

Just a heads up. I create a profile with a totally different name. When I go in from collarspace to collarchat, it gives me a random name I never chose. Not to mention, the date the profile was created is weird.




fellini -> RE: Lesbian Couple Chemically Altering Their 11-year-old Boy to Prep For Sex-change Surgery (8/21/2017 11:07:26 PM)

I'm pretty much posting from a profile I never created.




Danemora -> RE: Lesbian Couple Chemically Altering Their 11-year-old Boy to Prep For Sex-change Surgery (8/21/2017 11:36:30 PM)

Nicky, nicky, nicky. Lying is bad. Didnt anyone FYI you to that?




UllrsIshtar -> RE: Lesbian Couple Chemically Altering Their 11-year-old Boy to Prep For Sex-change Surgery (8/22/2017 2:45:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Danemora

Nicky, nicky, nicky. Lying is bad. Didnt anyone FYI you to that?


He's not lying. It's happened to me several times.

There's a glitch.

And I know the guy who's profile that is, it's not Nick.

PS: Nick, logging out, of the forum and main site both, and logging back in, fixed it for me, but only after a couple of tries.




Danemora -> RE: Lesbian Couple Chemically Altering Their 11-year-old Boy to Prep For Sex-change Surgery (8/22/2017 2:51:21 AM)

Thank you....and my most sincere and heartfelt apologies to Fellini if he isnt Nick. Though I still think its him because no one else complains on this subject like Nick/RM did before privileges got yanked. Truth be told, I dig your words in general, Ishtar...so if you say what I believe isnt really real, Id consider your thought process. And if Im wrong, I truly do apologize.

As a side note, I pray you take what I say as a compliment. I mean what I say about you. Ive always enjoyed 'listening' to you as these forums allow. I genuinely mean this and I hope my words echo my sincerity




fellini -> RE: Lesbian Couple Chemically Altering Their 11-year-old Boy to Prep For Sex-change Surgery (8/22/2017 3:05:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: Danemora

Nicky, nicky, nicky. Lying is bad. Didnt anyone FYI you to that?


He's not lying. It's happened to me several times.

There's a glitch.

And I know the guy who's profile that is, it's not Nick.

PS: Nick, logging out, of the forum and main site both, and logging back in, fixed it for me, but only after a couple of tries.


Hi

You are one of the posters I like on here.

Yes, I realise there is a glitch and I'm taking advantage of it.

If I log out and log back in, it wont allow me back in unless I try again multiple times. If I remain logged in, I can still remain posting apparently, until I switch off my laptop or log out haha.




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