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BamaD -> RE: Terrorist attack in Minnesota (8/9/2017 4:02:43 PM)
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
It's always fun to see Muslim apologists proudly point out that "harmless" Muslims even slaughter one another in great numbers
Christians have been around for nearly twice as long as Muslims, and as a rule do not slaughter everyone they come in contact with the way Muslims often do
You are correct, slaughter was not one of the things that Christians did when meeting indigenous people....
Enslaving, yes, all one has to do is look at the history of the Spanish Conquests of the new world, as well as their Imperial expansion in Africa and Asia...
Not o mention exploitation of natural resources AND keeping the indigenous peoples in poverty, but then there was those few incidents such as their actions with the Aztecs and Incas....
And there was the peaceful expansion of the United States westward with all the Christian love for others as exemplified at Sand Creek Colorado and Wounded Knee among others.
And then there was the programs of Americanization that the elected officials of the US Government came up with (elected by Christians I will point out) that took native American children from their families, put them in boarding schools where they were punished for speaking their own language or practicing their customs (the last of these schools closed a very long time ago, 1965)
But then there was the US government policy of eradication of Native American peoples by either forced relocation (Trail of Tears) and just about every reservation west of the Mississippi, where Native Americans were told to become farmers on land that was not suited for farming.
Reservations where the supplied meat (by the government) was almost always rancid and rotting, along with whiskey, blankets that were more like cheese clothe and other wonderful items for their comfort.
All of these actions in a country with the motto on its currency "In God We Trust."
A country where there were 634 Treaties made with the Native American peoples and the US Government broke 598 of them, many within two years of them being signed.
You are entirely right, Christian base European colonialism and Empire building did not slaughter indigenous people (which would have been merciful, when looking at the millions who died as a result of enslavement and enforced poverty) they did much worse.
But the US is improving.
In 1960, for every dollar spent on urban development and schools in the United States, two cents was spent on similar programs on reservations.
In 2010, for every dollar spent on schools in the rest of the country, 35 cents was spent on reservations. For every dollar contributed by the federal government for building and upgrading hospitals in the country, 14 cents was spent on reservations.
The average health clinic on a reservation is equipped with diagnostic equipment deemed obsolete and usually 4 technological generations out of date. Staph infections contracted during treatment is 40 times higher at a native American clinic than any other similar function facility in the US.
Revenues from natural resources found on Indian lands do not go to the tribes, but to the Federal government, and placed in a fund administered by the BIA to be distributed as it sees fit, so money from oil, gold or other resource that could build modern schools, hospitals and housing that meets the minimum federal standards is instead held 'in trust' which means the government can borrow it to use on any fucking thing it desires.
But you are right, countries established by Christian founded Empires or evolving from colonies founded by 'Christians' do not go out of their way to slaughter subjugated people.
No, countries populated by a majority of Christians do not go into wholesale slaughter of native peoples, it would eliminate a pool of cheap labor. And, 200 plus years later, they do not do a fucking thing to improve the lot of the peoples they subjugated.
Hence the hyprocisy of the US government decrying the human rights violations of other countries while turning a blind eye to the violations within our own borders.
No, the US is not a 'Christian' government, but it is made up of elected officials, the majority of which profess to be Christians and claim to hold Christian values.
And anyone that says the US flag is not stained with the blood of millions of Native Americans outright killed by the military or state militias flying that flag and the continued failure to accept that it is an ongoing process is no better than the Muslims who become terrorists, or the Muslim conquerors who actually killed the people they conquered.
Christian populated countries did it on the installment plan.
If you want me to defend the treatment of the American Indian you are barking up the wrong tree.
However how far back do you have to go to find a case.
On the other hand how far back do you have to go to find a riot because a black person got shot by the police, how far back do you have to go to find a cop murdered because of this, even less.
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