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RE: Game of thrones proves one thing (okay a bunch of t... - 8/11/2017 1:57:12 PM   
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john sno and the mother of dragons cant hook up they are related remember.... he is her nephew or cousin I cannot remember.....

last weeks episode was da bomb .... it kept me on the edge.... as for setting the dragon down in the middle of a war the dragon went down
on its own accord..... Jamie is stupid tho, hopefully that iron shirt he is wearing drowns him...



She is his aunt, although younger, and there is some debate on that one (okay not in the books, but in the series)

However, the parents of Daenerys' father were very closely related, and incest is a strong factor in her family tree, so it is not that far fetched.

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RE: Game of thrones proves one thing (okay a bunch of t... - 8/11/2017 7:29:28 PM   
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I explained this along time ago pirate? liar to boot aint you guffaws

Dont call me British again ever are we clear?

Over to Captain Pugwash

and how are the high seas? liar



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RE: Game of thrones proves one thing (okay a bunch of t... - 8/13/2017 8:33:00 PM   
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For the record, I said you post like an emasculated Brit from Suffolk, did not call you a brit.

Well, <spoiler> Jaime realizes that if the Mother of Dragons really uses them in full war, he (and Cersei) be fucked up the ass with a barbed wire dildo.

Jon, the only advisor the Mother of Dragons is listening to (and he aint an advisor) seems to be approved of by one of the Dragons, well if it didnt bite his hand off or burp fire at him when he patted its nose, I would consider that approval (trust me, in a past life, before the freaking brits exterminated the wonderful creatures, I had many dealings with them*)

And of course, who could not love the honesty in the line, "Fighting dragons is where our partnership ends."

Look, I have been in combat, I have even faced long odds, but I have to agree, if it comes to fighting dragons on the losing side or finding a nice spot to go fishing, I am going fishing.

Swords v Dragons, dragons win.

Lances v Dragons, dragons win.

Atomic Warheads v Dragons, dragons still win (see Reign of Fire)

Shot an explosive down a dragons throat, you win, just better be out of the blast zone.

Jaime should just take Cersei for a walk (after arranging a meeting with the Mother of Dragons and her children) and feed sis to dragon. Of course he better have a shit ton of Rolaids, cause that bitch will give anything heartburn... or worse.











*Attempt at sarcastic humor and a indirect response to grand son asking "were there dragons when you were young grandpa?"

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RE: Game of thrones proves one thing (okay a bunch of t... - 8/14/2017 5:49:56 AM   
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You're overestimating the military supremacy of dragons, Jeff. Consider how few of the societies in fantasy literature that use dragons as munitions prevailed in the long run? Morgoth had all of the dragons and he got kicked off Middle Earth pretty quickly. Melnibone collapsed into decadence and was sacked by pirates despite rousing its dragons for its final defence. Beowulf and Siegfried both defeated dragons single handed, and Siegfried walked away from the fight afterwards. (Also: Saint George, but I'd better not get you started on him.) Several of the Taoist immortals were in the habit of slaughtering a few dragons if they didn't have the money to go out for a drink that weekend.
Of all of the dragon using societies, only Pern seems to have prevailed in the long term, and they use their dragon riders more as a health service to incinerate biohazards than for military applications. A case could be made for Aerlith as well, but their triumph over the forces of Coralyn involved subterfuge and A SPOILER rather than their dragons proving innately superior to their opponents' trolls, and also proved to be a remarkably pyrrhic victory as well.

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RE: Game of thrones proves one thing (okay a bunch of t... - 8/14/2017 9:24:40 AM   
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You're overestimating the military supremacy of dragons, Jeff. Consider how few of the societies in fantasy literature that use dragons as munitions prevailed in the long run? Morgoth had all of the dragons and he got kicked off Middle Earth pretty quickly. Melnibone collapsed into decadence and was sacked by pirates despite rousing its dragons for its final defence. Beowulf and Siegfried both defeated dragons single handed, and Siegfried walked away from the fight afterwards. (Also: Saint George, but I'd better not get you started on him.) Several of the Taoist immortals were in the habit of slaughtering a few dragons if they didn't have the money to go out for a drink that weekend.
Of all of the dragon using societies, only Pern seems to have prevailed in the long term, and they use their dragon riders more as a health service to incinerate biohazards than for military applications. A case could be made for Aerlith as well, but their triumph over the forces of Coralyn involved subterfuge and A SPOILER rather than their dragons proving innately superior to their opponents' trolls, and also proved to be a remarkably pyrrhic victory as well.



One major difference.

The Dragon Mother's army, by Jaime's own admission, is better than anything he and Cersei can put in the field.

Then there are the minor differences....

1) Cersei and Jaime do not have a shit ton of anti dragon Brits in their R&D department.

2) When word gets around about what happened to the loot train, do you really think her allies are going to hang around to be bar be qued..

3) The dragon mother and Jon Snow are the heroes, so they are gonna win anyway, unless of course Arya gets to kings landing and slit's Cersei's throat and everyone that is in league with her (sorry but that little girl is a serial killer in the making.)

And as for the fact that the guy with all the dragon's in Tolkien's books got run out of middle earth, Tolkien had been in the UK long enough to be turned into an anti dragon fanatic, so that example is biased anyway.



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RE: Game of thrones proves one thing (okay a bunch of t... - 8/14/2017 9:28:15 AM   
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That's me told, then.

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RE: Game of thrones proves one thing (okay a bunch of t... - 8/14/2017 10:51:23 AM   
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That's me told, then.



Sorry, but English mythology seems to be full of Knights slaying dragons, and for no good reason.

So a bunch of people have to sacrifice a virgin once a year to keep a dragon from toasting their town?

Odds are that the townfolk picked the bitch of the year to sacrifice anyway, so the dragon eats a maiden that would have probably been married off to the meanest SOB in the land just to get her out of town and out of everyone's hair.

He or she was doing the town a favor.

And, the knights that did the slaying probably killed the poor creatures while they were napping, because no fire breather would let one of get too close otherwise.

No great act of bravery to kill a sleeping monster.

Now, since there is a slight possibility that there are a few dragons who found some remote place to hide for the last 1000 or so years, it might behoove the Brits to find one, make some sort of peace offering, because even as slow as they are at breeding, IF a few managed to find a place to hold out, they might come back with a vengeance.

A dragons hold grudges longer than Catholics.....



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That's me told, then.



Sorry, but English mythology seems to be full of Knights slaying dragons, and for no good reason.

So a bunch of people have to sacrifice a virgin once a year to keep a dragon from toasting their town?

Odds are that the townfolk picked the bitch of the year to sacrifice anyway, so the dragon eats a maiden that would have probably been married off to the meanest SOB in the land just to get her out of town and out of everyone's hair.

He or she was doing the town a favor.

I'm pretty sure that argument was put forwards in Dragonslayer? (Which wasn't a British film: I'm positive that one was a Disney.)

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RE: Game of thrones proves one thing (okay a bunch of t... - 8/14/2017 3:49:48 PM   
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That's me told, then.



Sorry, but English mythology seems to be full of Knights slaying dragons, and for no good reason.

So a bunch of people have to sacrifice a virgin once a year to keep a dragon from toasting their town?

Odds are that the townfolk picked the bitch of the year to sacrifice anyway, so the dragon eats a maiden that would have probably been married off to the meanest SOB in the land just to get her out of town and out of everyone's hair.

He or she was doing the town a favor.

I'm pretty sure that argument was put forwards in Dragonslayer? (Which wasn't a British film: I'm positive that one was a Disney.)



Yeah, well, some asshole needed his head examined.

I mean seriously, you spend a life time minding your own business, and some dick headed idiot shows up in a new suit of armor, new sword with the idea of being a hero by slaying a dragon, I would develop a bad attitude toward people as well....

Of course, I have a bad attitude toward people anyway, maybe I was a dragon in a past life.

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RE: Game of thrones proves one thing (okay a bunch of t... - 8/14/2017 4:22:22 PM   
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That's me told, then.



Sorry, but English mythology seems to be full of Knights slaying dragons, and for no good reason.

So a bunch of people have to sacrifice a virgin once a year to keep a dragon from toasting their town?

Odds are that the townfolk picked the bitch of the year to sacrifice anyway, so the dragon eats a maiden that would have probably been married off to the meanest SOB in the land just to get her out of town and out of everyone's hair.

He or she was doing the town a favor.

I'm pretty sure that argument was put forwards in Dragonslayer? (Which wasn't a British film: I'm positive that one was a Disney.)



Yeah, well, some asshole needed his head examined.

I mean seriously, you spend a life time minding your own business, and some dick headed idiot shows up in a new suit of armor, new sword with the idea of being a hero by slaying a dragon, I would develop a bad attitude toward people as well....

Of course, I have a bad attitude toward people anyway, maybe I was a dragon in a past life.

IIRC, the argument in favour of losing one maiden a year by lottery rather than facing whatever trouble the dragon might cause if it got a bit tetchy was rather undercut by the lottery being rigged so that nobody important would get their daughter eaten. (Mind you, I could be misremembering as it's a long while since I saw that one.)

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RE: Game of thrones proves one thing (okay a bunch of t... - 8/14/2017 6:03:09 PM   
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That's me told, then.



Sorry, but English mythology seems to be full of Knights slaying dragons, and for no good reason.

So a bunch of people have to sacrifice a virgin once a year to keep a dragon from toasting their town?

Odds are that the townfolk picked the bitch of the year to sacrifice anyway, so the dragon eats a maiden that would have probably been married off to the meanest SOB in the land just to get her out of town and out of everyone's hair.

He or she was doing the town a favor.

I'm pretty sure that argument was put forwards in Dragonslayer? (Which wasn't a British film: I'm positive that one was a Disney.)



Yeah, well, some asshole needed his head examined.

I mean seriously, you spend a life time minding your own business, and some dick headed idiot shows up in a new suit of armor, new sword with the idea of being a hero by slaying a dragon, I would develop a bad attitude toward people as well....

Of course, I have a bad attitude toward people anyway, maybe I was a dragon in a past life.

IIRC, the argument in favour of losing one maiden a year by lottery rather than facing whatever trouble the dragon might cause if it got a bit tetchy was rather undercut by the lottery being rigged so that nobody important would get their daughter eaten. (Mind you, I could be misremembering as it's a long while since I saw that one.)



You got it right, the king (obviously a follower of English philosophy) rigged the lottery.

Of course, it turns out that the princess was of higher ethical standards.

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RE: Game of thrones proves one thing (okay a bunch of t... - 8/15/2017 4:57:37 AM   
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Pretty decent flick. I always wonder if the people who made it had seen Jabberwocky.

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Pretty decent flick. I always wonder if the people who made it had seen Jabberwocky.



I'm kinda partial to 'Reign of Fire' myself, you know, dragons go nuts, ruin planet, toast London (which seems a bit nuts, when you think about it) but it kind of goes to show that England contributes a lot of terrible things to the world, pissed off dragons, cricket.....

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I take it you're not having the Peter Jackson Hobbit films because Smaug is voiced by one of the most English sounding actors about?

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More likely the king will pick the daughter of one of his opposition. Once it's your family dying, you'll withdraw opposition to stealing monastery lands or whatever. One Good Knight by Mercedes Lackay.

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RE: Game of thrones proves one thing (okay a bunch of t... - 8/17/2017 3:41:16 PM   
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Okay getting back to the GOT thing....

For those of you who are screaming that Jon cannot marry his aunt, I will remind you that European royal families been marrying relatives for at least a thousand years.

And considering that Jon would be marrying his aunt, it is not as bad as him marrying his sister (okay, genetically not great) but it works in horses and cattle IF you dont do it that often (meaning within a generation or two.)

And how many kings since the first season have been the product of incest, two?

Besides, the dragon likes Jon, and does not the living, breathing Westeros version of a tactical strike aircraft have any say in the matter? Going by mythology, dragons have chosen kings, queens and the like for a long time.

So, I ask you this, if the dragon wants Jon to be his daddy and marry mommy, are you going to walk up to the dragon and tell him no?

Okay, whoremods might, but then he is crazy as hell.

Lucy might, but then she has the crazy notion that she is always right (come to think of it, that is a woman thing, so that really does not count.)

And while I may have in my younger days jumped out of perfectly good aircraft, I am not going to tell a dragon that he cannot have the daddy he wants.

In fact, I would not do anything to piss off a flying fire breathing reptile. But then, there are more than a few people I would not mind asking the dragon to scare the shit out of (no, I would not have one barbeque a certain person from Singapore, but knocking on her door and let the dragon be the only thing she sees when she answers it would be funny as hell.)

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RE: Game of thrones proves one thing (okay a bunch of t... - 8/18/2017 4:21:30 AM   
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For those of you who are screaming that Jon cannot marry his aunt, I will remind you that European royal families been marrying relatives for at least a thousand years.

John can't marry her because she'd be old enough to vote, not because she's his aunt, dig? Feudalism, mate. The nobility in that sort of society made Roman Polanski's attitude towards "women" look healthy by comparison.

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For those of you who are screaming that Jon cannot marry his aunt, I will remind you that European royal families been marrying relatives for at least a thousand years.

John can't marry her because she'd be old enough to vote, not because she's his aunt, dig? Feudalism, mate. The nobility in that sort of society made Roman Polanski's attitude towards "women" look healthy by comparison.


Okay, you go to Westeros and tell the big flying cigarette lighter (which seems to like frying people that he dont like) that his momma cant marry the guy he likes.

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RE: Game of thrones proves one thing (okay a bunch of t... - 8/19/2017 9:28:42 AM   
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For those of you who are screaming that Jon cannot marry his aunt, I will remind you that European royal families been marrying relatives for at least a thousand years.

John can't marry her because she'd be old enough to vote, not because she's his aunt, dig? Feudalism, mate. The nobility in that sort of society made Roman Polanski's attitude towards "women" look healthy by comparison.


Okay, you go to Westeros and tell the big flying cigarette lighter (which seems to like frying people that he dont like) that his momma cant marry the guy he likes.

If it's his decision, she's never going to get hitched, is she?


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Okay, you go to Westeros and tell the big flying cigarette lighter (which seems to like frying people that he dont like) that his momma cant marry the guy he likes.

If it's his decision, she's never going to get hitched, is she?



I dont know, but could you think of a better incentive for both parties to actually be the perfect spouse?

And I think his opinion is the only one that really matters. Dragons, are by nature, the wisest (albeit the most foul tempered of beasts) and even though the dragons in GOT seemed to grow to maturity rather quickly as opposed to myth, myths suggest that they, as a species, can draw on the memories of ancestors at a genetic level.

Of course, myth also gives them the power of speech, which would be funny as hell if any of the three were to suddenly speak up and tell their mommy (or Jon for that matter) they are being stupid.

Of course, since the writers have tried on occasion to introduce humor into the show, I would love to see any one of the dragons role over on its back to demand belly rubs.

But then I have a warped sense of humor (which is why, in a house with two extremely OCD women I purposely put the deck boards on the new front porch I just completed at a slight, almost imperceptible angle, just to drive them nuts.)

Which reminds me, I have to go flip the toilet paper rolls in their bathrooms around.....

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